Jones has the most rotten legacy of all the all time greats

[Lord Pyjamas]

Jon Jones is the Lance Armstrong of MMA

I almost wrote "Imagine how good Lance Armstrong would be back on earth!"

 

[Cobra 03]

Obviously Jones is an all time great. Some say he's the GOAT but most of the people who say that are U FIGHT CHEAP fanboys who listen to everything Den Waitche says like it's gospel. They're Low iq fans.

Either way Jon is an absolute all time great regardless of where you put him on the list. Out of all the all time greats I think he has the most ROTTEN legacy out of everyone. The others have losses but Jon's legacy is filled with dark spots and asterisks and topped off with blatant cowardly ducking which you couldn't accuse the others of doing.

Jones tested + for steroids 3x. Ducked Ng when he was still in the UFC to the point where Jones stayed in a division he already cleaned out (LHW) to fight bums like Anthony Smith and Dominic Reyes just to avoid getting knocked out by Ng.

Jones claimed he needed 3 years to "get his body ready for HW" while being 6'4 235lbs with an 84 reach and every steroid under the sun in his system to give him the strength of a HW but the the second Ng left the UFC, Jon's body was suddenly ready to fight at HW against a French kickboxer with no ground game.

Now Tom Aspinall is calling out Jones for an Undisputed HW title fight and he's ducking Tom to the point that he said hes willing to vacate his HW belt just to duck Tom. Jones knows that Tom is in his prime and hes as hungry today as Jones was in 2011-2015. Jones doesn't want that smoke because there's a good chance it will be a crushing defeat for Jones.

Jones claims Tom hasn't done enough to deserve this fight and he acts like he has nothing left to prove but he's been caught with steroids 3x. He's spent 5 of the last 7 years inactive on the sidelines and he's ducked every fierce HW the UFC ever had. Jones has a lot to prove for someone who thinks he's the GOAT and whom scumbag Den Waitche claims is the GOAT. Real GOATs don't duck.

Does this mean Jon has to go on a 10 fight winning streak af 37 years old? Obviously not but ducking Tom isn't doing him any favors. Vacating his HW belt just to avoid Tom to fight a MW kickboxer who got out grappled by Izzy instead isn't doing him any favors. All this makes him look like a chump and hurts his legacy.

There is no bigger legacy fight for Jones than Tom because its the riskiest fight available and would make Jon the UNDISPUTED HW champion and the challenge of being 37 years old and fighting a modern generation HW who's in his prime and dangerous everywhere would force even the most staunch critics of Jon hespect of heem.

If 37 year old Jon went out there with a clean blood test and beat prime Tom in 2025, it would clean his legacy up significantly and it would force even the the biggest of Jon Jones haters to bend the knee and accept that he's the GOAT.

Instead Jon is lying and claiming Tom doesnt deserve the fight. Hes claiming Tom is a "nobody" and seeking a fight with another kickboxer with no ground game instead of fighting Tom.

Intelligent fans are irate and the media has been grilling Jon so hard about his blatant ducking that he's now avoiding interviews. Everybody sees he's ducking. Even Den Waitche.

Im not sure what's more disgusting. Jon's blatant ducking of Tom and his dishonest reasoning for it or the delusion of his fanboys who defend his cowardly behavior and act like it's all good.

Jon's whole identity is hinged on remaining undefeated. I don't think he'd handle a loss well emotionally and psychologically. His fans' identity is also hinged on this which is why they sweep his blatant steroid use, his blatant cheating and his blatant ducking under the rug.

If Jon beats Stipe and doesn't retire after and doesn't fight Tom his legacy will become even more rotten than it already was which is nuts because his legacy is already the most rotten out of all the all time greats.

I am a Jones fan, and have been since 2010 when he beat up then contender Brandon Vera. I think Jones is the GOAT, and I will match I.Q.'s with you any day of the week. How stupid you are to even make a comment like that!

 

[mangokush]

Jones is certainly the LHW GOAT but his run at HW is nothing but a farce

 

[Ibm]

Theres not doubt he is the best if he now cleans out the HW division. He's beaten enough top guys. Hes beaten the best strikers bette rthan him, and out wrestled wrestlers better than him.

 

[VinceArch]

Theres not doubt he is the best if he now cleans out the HW division.

He's been champion for how long and has beaten how many top contenders again?

 

[Preston broadus]

Jon Jones is the Lance Armstrong of MMA

He is also the Rick James of mma

 

[IsNormal]

Ducked Ng when he was still in the UFC to the point where Jones stayed in a division he already cleaned out (LHW) to fight bums like Anthony Smith and Dominic Reyes just to avoid getting knocked out by Ng.

When the Anthony Smith fight was booked, Ngannou was coming off a 1-2 in his last three fights with the losses to Stipe and Lewis.
Ngannou was scary but looked like he had major holes in his game at that time.

I don't blame Jon for staying at LHW a bit longer, as in just 14 months he blazed through 4 fights (Gus 2, Smith, Santos, Reyes).

The issue was the 3 year wait to move up to HW.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

When the Anthony Smith fight was booked, Ngannou was coming off a 1-2 in his last three fights with the losses to Stipe and Lewis.
Ngannou was still scary but still looked like he had major holes in his game then compared to later.

I don't blame Jon for staying at LHW a bit longer, as in just 14 months he blazed through 4 fights (Gus 2, Smith, Santos, Reyes).

The silly part is the 3 year wait to move up to HW.

Jon didn't want the Stipe smoke then either. Waited for him to turn 50 years old.

 

[Tweak896]

Now compare Jones post usada record to the other goat candidates... He actually has the best record in the clean era. No matter who he beats won't matter to the haters.

 

[Juice]

Good fighter. Not the best ever

Jones is easily the best ever.

 

[NenadRS]

Most of his finishes and wins were against older fighters.

Against Reyes he lost on points, and did not have dominant performances agains fighters his age (Gus1, Reyes, Santos, Smith, OSP) all decisions, some close. His best performances are DC2 (no contents, steroids) and GUS 2. Unbeaten but would not consider him GOAT.

 

[Gotosleepho]

I can't argue that it's a tainted legacy full of bad moments but I still believe he's the best to ever complete in the Octagon or MMA ring.

 

[Blanqa Blanqua]

IMO his entire career after the first DC win has been pretty underwhelming with the one exception being a fight that got overturned because Jones pissed hot. Jose Aldo has put in more GOAT worthy performances since losing his belt than Jones has in the same time frame with the wins over Moicano, Font, and Munoz.

Totally agree.

Crazy too, the contrast in support from Dana

 

[Typrune Goatley]

Now compare Jones post usada record to the other goat candidates... He actually has the best record in the clean era. No matter who he beats won't matter to the haters.

Fedor, Anderson and Aldo were already past their physical primes in 2016. Aldo still picked up some nice wins post USADA.

Jones was still "pulsing" leading up to the Gustaffson rematch, which meant he still had PEDs in his system.

The OSP fight and the Anthony Smith fight were absolutely pathetic. A real GOAT would have finished those fights for sure, especially when Anthony was in the fetal position.

Most people thought Jones lost against Reyes and Santos. For some reason, the judges gave those fights to Jones.

Stipe was 45 years old and hadn't fought in 3 years since he was KO'ed in 2021. Gane might be Jon's best win but he really is just a French kickboxer who can't grapple.

So I actually like Aldo's work post-USADA better. Even if Jon's fights were title fights, they were not very impressive to me.

Aldo beat:

Moicano
Jeremey Stephens
Chito Vera
Pedro Munoz
Rob Font
Jonathon Martinez
Frankie Edgar

Aldo also was robbed against Mario Bautista and Marlon Moraes. Those should have been two more wins. He also had an amazing war against a younger and fresher Peter Yan.

Aldo>Jones

 

[BowserJr]

Obviously Jones is an all time great. Some say he's the GOAT but most of the people who say that are U FIGHT CHEAP fanboys who listen to everything Den Waitche says like it's gospel. They're Low iq fans.

Either way Jon is an absolute all time great regardless of where you put him on the list. Out of all the all time greats I think he has the most ROTTEN legacy out of everyone. The others have losses but Jon's legacy is filled with dark spots and asterisks and topped off with blatant cowardly ducking which you couldn't accuse the others of doing.

Jones tested + for steroids 3x. Ducked Ng when he was still in the UFC to the point where Jones stayed in a division he already cleaned out (LHW) to fight bums like Anthony Smith and Dominic Reyes just to avoid getting knocked out by Ng.

Jones claimed he needed 3 years to "get his body ready for HW" while being 6'4 235lbs with an 84 reach and every steroid under the sun in his system to give him the strength of a HW but the the second Ng left the UFC, Jon's body was suddenly ready to fight at HW against a French kickboxer with no ground game.

Now Tom Aspinall is calling out Jones for an Undisputed HW title fight and he's ducking Tom to the point that he said hes willing to vacate his HW belt just to duck Tom. Jones knows that Tom is in his prime and hes as hungry today as Jones was in 2011-2015. Jones doesn't want that smoke because there's a good chance it will be a crushing defeat for Jones.

Jones claims Tom hasn't done enough to deserve this fight and he acts like he has nothing left to prove but he's been caught with steroids 3x. He's spent 5 of the last 7 years inactive on the sidelines and he's ducked every fierce HW the UFC ever had. Jones has a lot to prove for someone who thinks he's the GOAT and whom scumbag Den Waitche claims is the GOAT. Real GOATs don't duck.

Does this mean Jon has to go on a 10 fight winning streak af 37 years old? Obviously not but ducking Tom isn't doing him any favors. Vacating his HW belt just to avoid Tom to fight a MW kickboxer who got out grappled by Izzy instead isn't doing him any favors. All this makes him look like a chump and hurts his legacy.

There is no bigger legacy fight for Jones than Tom because its the riskiest fight available and would make Jon the UNDISPUTED HW champion and the challenge of being 37 years old and fighting a modern generation HW who's in his prime and dangerous everywhere would force even the most staunch critics of Jon hespect of heem.

If 37 year old Jon went out there with a clean blood test and beat prime Tom in 2025, it would clean his legacy up significantly and it would force even the the biggest of Jon Jones haters to bend the knee and accept that he's the GOAT.

Instead Jon is lying and claiming Tom doesnt deserve the fight. Hes claiming Tom is a "nobody" and seeking a fight with another kickboxer with no ground game instead of fighting Tom.

Intelligent fans are irate and the media has been grilling Jon so hard about his blatant ducking that he's now avoiding interviews. Everybody sees he's ducking. Even Den Waitche.

Im not sure what's more disgusting. Jon's blatant ducking of Tom and his dishonest reasoning for it or the delusion of his fanboys who defend his cowardly behavior and act like it's all good.

Jon's whole identity is hinged on remaining undefeated. I don't think he'd handle a loss well emotionally and psychologically. His fans' identity is also hinged on this which is why they sweep his blatant steroid use, his blatant cheating and his blatant ducking under the rug.

If Jon beats Stipe and doesn't retire after and doesn't fight Tom his legacy will become even more rotten than it already was which is nuts because his legacy is already the most rotten out of all the all time greats.

You summarized the Jones GOAT debate precisely and concisely.

The only thing I'd maybe add is that he avoided HW the whole time it was stacked with the likes of declining but still good AA, Reem, Mir, Barnett, JDS and prime Werdum, Cain and Stipe .

Not old decrepit Stipe, who hes pretending is a legit win while saying he has nothing to prove. If he truly felt that why is he calling it a legacy fight and still active... oh ya cuz he wants to pretend he's adding to his legacy when in reality he's proving how scared he is of big challenges

 

[blocnoir]

Obviously Jones is an all time great. Some say he's the GOAT but most of the people who say that are U FIGHT CHEAP fanboys who listen to everything Den Waitche says like it's gospel. They're Low iq fans.

Either way Jon is an absolute all time great regardless of where you put him on the list. Out of all the all time greats I think he has the most ROTTEN legacy out of everyone. The others have losses but Jon's legacy is filled with dark spots and asterisks and topped off with blatant cowardly ducking which you couldn't accuse the others of doing.

Jones tested + for steroids 3x. Ducked Ng when he was still in the UFC to the point where Jones stayed in a division he already cleaned out (LHW) to fight bums like Anthony Smith and Dominic Reyes just to avoid getting knocked out by Ng.

Jones claimed he needed 3 years to "get his body ready for HW" while being 6'4 235lbs with an 84 reach and every steroid under the sun in his system to give him the strength of a HW but the the second Ng left the UFC, Jon's body was suddenly ready to fight at HW against a French kickboxer with no ground game.

Now Tom Aspinall is calling out Jones for an Undisputed HW title fight and he's ducking Tom to the point that he said hes willing to vacate his HW belt just to duck Tom. Jones knows that Tom is in his prime and hes as hungry today as Jones was in 2011-2015. Jones doesn't want that smoke because there's a good chance it will be a crushing defeat for Jones.

Jones claims Tom hasn't done enough to deserve this fight and he acts like he has nothing left to prove but he's been caught with steroids 3x. He's spent 5 of the last 7 years inactive on the sidelines and he's ducked every fierce HW the UFC ever had. Jones has a lot to prove for someone who thinks he's the GOAT and whom scumbag Den Waitche claims is the GOAT. Real GOATs don't duck.

Does this mean Jon has to go on a 10 fight winning streak af 37 years old? Obviously not but ducking Tom isn't doing him any favors. Vacating his HW belt just to avoid Tom to fight a MW kickboxer who got out grappled by Izzy instead isn't doing him any favors. All this makes him look like a chump and hurts his legacy.

There is no bigger legacy fight for Jones than Tom because its the riskiest fight available and would make Jon the UNDISPUTED HW champion and the challenge of being 37 years old and fighting a modern generation HW who's in his prime and dangerous everywhere would force even the most staunch critics of Jon hespect of heem.

If 37 year old Jon went out there with a clean blood test and beat prime Tom in 2025, it would clean his legacy up significantly and it would force even the the biggest of Jon Jones haters to bend the knee and accept that he's the GOAT.

Instead Jon is lying and claiming Tom doesnt deserve the fight. Hes claiming Tom is a "nobody" and seeking a fight with another kickboxer with no ground game instead of fighting Tom.

Intelligent fans are irate and the media has been grilling Jon so hard about his blatant ducking that he's now avoiding interviews. Everybody sees he's ducking. Even Den Waitche.

Im not sure what's more disgusting. Jon's blatant ducking of Tom and his dishonest reasoning for it or the delusion of his fanboys who defend his cowardly behavior and act like it's all good.

Jon's whole identity is hinged on remaining undefeated. I don't think he'd handle a loss well emotionally and psychologically. His fans' identity is also hinged on this which is why they sweep his blatant steroid use, his blatant cheating and his blatant ducking under the rug.

If Jon beats Stipe and doesn't retire after and doesn't fight Tom his legacy will become even more rotten than it already was which is nuts because his legacy is already the most rotten out of all the all time greats.

Why are you saying he's an all time great if you say yourself that he failed three drug tests ? Serious question and not trying to be an asshole.

 

[VAfan]

agree. so many asterisks you can't really take his career seriously. barry bonds is not the home run king in my book, and jones can never be GOAT. he's not even in the running IMO.

 

[Vehap1]

imo Jones has way too many asterisks to be called the goat
that being said I never understood the Tom Aspinall hype -- he has glass knees that jones would implode with a single oblique kick

Interesting, he gonna kick like Ubereem/Ngannou all of a sudden?

 

[Vehap1]

Why are you saying he's an all time great if you say yourself that he failed three drug tests ? Serious question and not trying to be an asshole.

This is Interesting indeed

Mr Ludwig should try few PEDs, I bet it will shock you mate

 

[Emjay]

Jon is obviously going to call out Aspinall if he wins. Don't let the troll taste fool you.

Swing and a miss!