DDP says Jon Jones doesn't need to prove anything else

[TheCryingElite]

If I were Jones, I’d sign to fight Aspinall, but I’d be on the gear. Win the fight and troll off into the sunset, not caring if I’d pop after the fight or not.
I mean everyone already thinks the worse of him, why not?

 

[orca]

Jones was beating old fighters out of their prime when he was young. Let him be in that position now and see if he can handle younger talent.

jones was a 21 year old kid beating prime 32 year old men
they where the ones climbing the ladder to beat jones
imagine a 21 year old aspinal vs a prime 32 year old jones

 

[Luffy]

Dude...what? Im saying he has nothing to prove.

Yeah that was my bad lol

 

[Luffy]

anybody who watched jj vs gus knws he lost 1 fight then getting positive for peds after fight would be another loss in boxing and so on but not in ufc and soo on

Translation: it was close so I count as Jon Jones losing. And the PED fights that were cancelled, I count that as a loss too.

Sorry man, what you wish were true is in your desire that were the case. Too bad.

 

[Luffy]

This has nothing to do about proving it's about principle. The guy is holding up the division, either fight Aspinall (Who holds the interim belt) or retire. That's it. Those is his options really. Do one of those options and I'll be happy for either or.

Except Jon Jones said more than once he wanted to vacate the HW belt, that obviously if he thinks in retiring, he won't take the belt of a division and no one can have it because someone retired with a belt. He has said many times he'll retire. But... The UFC doesn't want someone that is still, perhaps, the fighter that could beat the most two dangerous other guys, Pereira and Aspinall, to retire. They want to $ with fights. And Tom is just hiding his true wishes when he said "if JJ doesn't want to fight, ok, vacate the belt"... He knew he didn't want that to happen though, because he kinda realizes that without Jon Jones there, his division seems totally dry, uninteresting... And also, Tom would likely get in all fights there at HW as much as he could make fighting JJ once. Tom even said once he wants to be dominant for some time, but that he won't retire too late, that one of his goals is also to get good enough $. So ofc he says "ok, vacate the belt" while crossing his finger JJ doesn't do it... He says it just as a way to give more authenticity to the desire of wanting to be the champion as opposed to the desire of fighting Jon Jones.

If anything is holding up the division, it sure is not Jon Jones, as he had made clear after Stipe, the belt could be free. It wasn't though because Dana and Tom want badly that not to happen. That's why Aspinall also says "I'll retire Jon Jones without even fighting him", it's his way to touch on Jon Jones' ego and competitive nature, to appeal to Jon Jones desire to "man, I want to shut this kid up". So there is your answer.

It seems though that Jon Jones also really wanted this fight, and instead of calling his opponents and showing confidence like he always does, it's totally possible he saw that acting in a "weird" way would be the way to fill the arena, ppl gotta believe strongly that he'll lose, so JJ's promotion way, hypothetically, could all have been this kinda attitude planned out...

 

[AstralPanda]

He absolutely has to prove he's better than Aspinall because he has the heavyweight belt

He doesn't have to do anything.

Just like adesanya doesn't have to do anything. Or Dustin Poirier. Or Kamaru Usman. Or Mighty Mouse. Or the long list of elite athletes at the tail end of their careers.

Their legacies are already set in stone.

Maybe it might suck if he doesn't fight Tom for whatever reason. But, when you've been fighting for 15+ years, you've earned the right to do whatever you want to end your career.

His wins over DC hold infinitely more weight than anything Tom has accomplished and likely ever will.

The main reason he would be taking this fight is money, and that comes down to the UFC to make it happen.

Either way though, it doesn't change anything. It wouldn't add or take anything away from his legacy.

 

[AstralPanda]

DDP has really bad fanboy takes about guys like Conor, Jones etc. I don't hold it against him.

Probably more that fighters are capable of approaching these things impartially and without bias

Where as fans tend to get extremely emotional any time a polarizing figure is involved, often not even realizing how unrealistic and disingenuous they're being.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Except Jon Jones said more than once he wanted to vacate the HW belt, that obviously if he thinks in retiring, he won't take the belt of a division and no one can have it because someone retired with a belt. He has said many times he'll retire. But... The UFC doesn't want someone that is still, perhaps, the fighter that could beat the most two dangerous other guys, Pereira and Aspinall, to retire. They want to $ with fights. And Tom is just hiding his true wishes when he said "if JJ doesn't want to fight, ok, vacate the belt"... He knew he didn't want that to happen though, because he kinda realizes that without Jon Jones there, his division seems totally dry, uninteresting... And also, Tom would likely get in all fights there at HW as much as he could make fighting JJ once. Tom even said once he wants to be dominant for some time, but that he won't retire too late, that one of his goals is also to get good enough $. So ofc he says "ok, vacate the belt" while crossing his finger JJ doesn't do it... He says it just as a way to give more authenticity to the desire of wanting to be the champion as opposed to the desire of fighting Jon Jones.

If anything is holding up the division, it sure is not Jon Jones, as he had made clear after Stipe, the belt could be free. It wasn't though because Dana and Tom want badly that not to happen. That's why Aspinall also says "I'll retire Jon Jones without even fighting him", it's his way to touch on Jon Jones' ego and competitive nature, to appeal to Jon Jones desire to "man, I want to shut this kid up". So there is your answer.

It seems though that Jon Jones also really wanted this fight, and instead of calling his opponents and showing confidence like he always does, it's totally possible he saw that acting in a "weird" way would be the way to fill the arena, ppl gotta believe strongly that he'll lose, so JJ's promotion way, hypothetically, could all have been this kinda attitude planned out...

Interesting take my friend, thanks. Whatever going on I just hope they resolve it sooner than later.

 

[Wrath of Foamy]

He's got nothing left to prove, but he's also holding up the HW division and cherry-picking his opponents.

 

[Kompromat]

DDP is absolutely right—Jon Jones has nothing left to prove. The real problem is that he’s holding the championship belt hostage while not fighting actively or defending it against deserving contenders.
Nobody is saying Jon has to prove anything at this point. But if he wants to be seen as a true champion, he needs to fight the best. Otherwise, relinquish the belt and keep fighting whoever he wants. If he just took on some mid-tier guys, out of prime guys or promising up-and-comers like Arlovski did, people would be cool with that. In fact, fans would love it. We’d get to enjoy watching him compete, and eventually, he’d lose—like everyone does when father time catches up. And that’s okay.
Look at Fedor. He lost some fights, but people still respected, and admired him for continuing to fight until he was too old to keep going, and still became GOAT. And Jon Jones isn’t Khabib. He’s not worshipped and funded for his undefeated record by oil sheikhs. He doesn’t need to cling to it so desperately.
So it’s simple: either retire or drop the belt and keep fighting whoever you want. Fans would be on board because truly Jon doesn’t need to prove anything more.

 

[Iroh]

No fighter has to prove anything. But if Jon thinks he is the legit best HW in the division and therefore is the rightful champ, he still has to prove that.

 

[WelcometoHell]

No he doesn't. There isn't a clause that says that Undisputed champion needs to fight the interim champion if the undisputed champion decides to retire.

I'm not saying Jon needs to prove to me or anyone else that he is the world champion

I'm not entitled to Jon fighting or defending the belt against Aspinall

But the idea that Jones has silenced all the haters against all odds and has no challenges, now he has completed Fighting, that is simply untrue because there are a lot of people who want the Aspinall Fight

He doesn't need to prove anything to anyone, but there's still a contract he tries his best to avoid signing at all costs

 

[fica]

Translation: it was close so I count as Jon Jones losing. And the PED fights that were cancelled, I count that as a loss too.

Sorry man, what you wish were true is in your desire that were the case. Too bad.

so ped user is seen as winner lol

 

[Cobra 03]

Yup. Because MMA isn’t what you did, it’s what you did lately. And Jon will be known as the guy who ran, hid and made 10,000 excuses when it was time to fight a contender and the matchup wasn’t favourable. He blatantly refused to fight any real contenders and is ducking an interim champ. It’s just embarrassing at this point and I have no clue how you can defend that.

Also, was Matt Mitrone a dominant UFC HW interim champ? No. Was Fedor the HW champ? No. Was Matt defending the belt while Fedor was flat out refusing to unify? Not even close. What a bizarre take!

Jon wants to cosplay as HW champ to build to his legacy but it just hurts it. None of the other GOAT’s ducked legit competition as champs. Pathetic.

Overcoming his cowardice and age to beat a young, hungry and dominant champ in a weight class above what he used to fight st would mean way more than beating up small middleweights or old LHW’s. You’re delusional if you dismiss Tom

You are delusional if you dismiss Jones whole career! You can't much more closed minded than that.

 

[Luffy]

If I were Jones, I’d sign to fight Aspinall, but I’d be on the gear. Win the fight and troll off into the sunset, not caring if I’d pop after the fight or not.
I mean everyone already thinks the worse of him, why not?

so ped user is seen as winner lol

No, the PED usage was called a non-contest, that is, neither a win nor a loss. The other 29 fights, he won.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

You are delusional if you dismiss Jones whole career! You can't much more closed minded than that.

I didnt. Im just saying what he did in the past, especially at LHW doesn’t give him an excuse to not defend a HW belt. That’s insane.

 

[fica]

No, the PED usage was called a non-contest, that is, neither a win nor a loss. The other 29 fights, he won.

Every sport they catch you using peds you get loss or Asterix next to.it

 

[Kwic]

People (including me) just can't accept to not see Jones head bounce off the canvas before he retires lol. Aspinal is our last hope.

 

[Joshua8531]

Its true. Jones has nothing to prove. He's on the tail end of his career but his legacy has been sealed. Anything else is icing. Yeah, the cry-babies will tantrum-argue about whatever nonsense point theyll bring up to try to pretend his legacy isnt intact, but their opinions are largely worthless outside their little cry-circles.

His legacy is one of the best.

 

[Joshua8531]

Have fun with this opinion that matters to no one else except a bunch of cry babies on a karate forum.

I joined in 2015 1200 messages. Looks like you joined in 2007 25000 messages. That's a lot on a karate forum. Guess you needed to pull out your tampons for a hurt pussy.