Dana doesn't like Ngannou and JJ doesn't like Aspinall

Look at my join date. And I followed MMA since the late 90's (and trained and fought from 2004-2007). I bet on Jones when he beat Shogun for the belt, my guy. I'm an old head, nobody is telling me things about Jones that I dont know. And people on this site were telling me I was stupid, that paying juice on a prospect vs a proven champ like Shogun was so dumb, etc. And I tried telling them that Jones was a generational talent. And Jones beat Shogun like an adult throwing a child around.

The problem is that people hold onto the past, and think what they saw before is what they'll see next time. I get the "until someone proves differently..." argument but it's not like we haven't seen Jones vulnerable. He should've lost to Reyes but got a robbery. Santos could've beaten him (although I did give Jones that one). Gus took him to the brink in their first fight. He's not an invincible superman.

And now...he's getting old. He's fighting in a weight class he's not really suited for. He's still talented enough to beat a guy like Gane who's a mental midget and didn't seem to want to be there. Or an ancient Stipe who hadn't fought in 4 years. That's so so so much different than fighting a younger, confident, bigger, faster guy with more power who can also grapple.

Again...is it possible Jones turns back the clock and looks markedly better than vs Stipe? Sure. Likely? IMO...no. And IF he looks like that, he's not getput of the 2nd round. He will get blasted.
Well, he beat up Gustaffson, Santos and Reyes. Making it a close match # losing. Sure, he has proved that he is human. Everyone is human. It's hard for someone to fight 30x, against heavy competition, many fighters being in the hall of fame, defending his title, like, 15x and to not have a close match in neither of those. Khabib had the same record, but again, Khabib had as many fighters in the UFC as Jon Jones had title defenses, basically. Much of Khabib's fights, half actually, were in another organization where the fighters had, like, an average to poor win lose ratio and streak. Ofc Jon Jones record will make him look more human than someone whose records came from fighting way less high level fighters.

Still though, since 2011, fighting monsters, and not losing once, despite the fighters making it close, is absurd, is something that no one did. Not only that, you can't fight all you want against that, but after he beat up Gus the second time, the division was kinda boring, there was no big name. JJ still fought the new generation there (not all fighters ofc) and beat up the 3 fighters from the new generation whom the organization put him against. Then he moved to HW, many ppl saying that'd be his biggest challenge (saying Gane was a midget is easy to say after the fact, very few ppl were even saying that before), defeated Gane like child's play. Then he defeated Miocic... Miocic is older, but Miocic was as old as DC was when DC fought Miocic the third time. Miocic was, then, as old as JJ now. DC made it very challenging still. Miocic wasn't the only one who had been inactive, Jon Jones pretty much only fought Reyes... Then he had a 3 minutes experience as a HW against a young, fast, strong guy — Gane — then had a nasty injury that took him away from training for 8 months. He had never even been in a second round, every as a heavyweight. Stipe? Many time. JJ still made it look easy.

Stipe was slow? Sure, Shogun was also slow after JJ beat him up in the g&p, while landing wayyyy less elbows than vs Miocic. You are going to slow down after getting hit 50x by a HW in the g&p. The fact is, Jon Jones isn't a thing of the past, as of yet... He keeps winning. There is no denying that. Ofc Aspinall is a very tough match. But to say he will easily defeat Jon? Quoting DDP here:

"Come on, how people can say that? He moved up, people were saying Gane would be the biggest challenge ever... He made it look like child's play. People who ignore history, are the naive ones".
 
Well, he beat up Gustaffson, Santos and Reyes. Making it a close match # losing. Sure, he has proved that he is human. Everyone is human. It's hard for someone to fight 30x, against heavy competition, many fighters being in the hall of fame, defending his title, like, 15x and to not have a close match in neither of those. Khabib had the same record, but again, Khabib had as many fighters in the UFC as Jon Jones had title defenses, basically. Much of Khabib's fights, half actually, were in another organization where the fighters had, like, an average to poor win lose ratio and streak. Ofc Jon Jones record will make him look more human than someone whose records came from fighting way less high level fighters.

Still though, since 2011, fighting monsters, and not losing once, despite the fighters making it close, is absurd, is something that no one did. Not only that, you can't fight all you want against that, but after he beat up Gus the second time, the division was kinda boring, there was no big name. JJ still fought the new generation there (not all fighters ofc) and beat up the 3 fighters from the new generation whom the organization put him against. Then he moved to HW, many ppl saying that'd be his biggest challenge (saying Gane was a midget is easy to say after the fact, very few ppl were even saying that before), defeated Gane like child's play. Then he defeated Miocic... Miocic is older, but Miocic was as old as DC was when DC fought Miocic the third time. Miocic was, then, as old as JJ now. DC made it very challenging still. Miocic wasn't the only one who had been inactive, Jon Jones pretty much only fought Reyes... Then he had a 3 minutes experience as a HW against a young, fast, strong guy — Gane — then had a nasty injury that took him away from training for 8 months. He had never even been in a second round, every as a heavyweight. Stipe? Many time. JJ still made it look easy.

Stipe was slow? Sure, Shogun was also slow after JJ beat him up in the g&p, while landing wayyyy less elbows than vs Miocic. You are going to slow down after getting hit 50x by a HW in the g&p. The fact is, Jon Jones isn't a thing of the past, as of yet... He keeps winning. There is no denying that. Ofc Aspinall is a very tough match. But to say he will easily defeat Jon? Quoting DDP here:

"Come on, how people can say that? He moved up, people were saying Gane would be the biggest challenge ever... He made it look like child's play. People who ignore history, are the naive ones".

He didn't "beat up" Reyes, and if you claim that it really undermines your credibility. So don't throw stuff like that in there, it doesn't help you. He absolutely should've lost that fight. Full stop. It was a robbery.

That said, i think Jones was getting bored by then. I think that contributed a lot to his lackluster performances vs Reyes and Santos (and to a lesser degree Lionheart). The best version of Jones absolutely demolishes those 3 guys.

As for currently...I'm really not sure what to tell you. I have eyes and a brain and know the sport. It's not just the fact Stipe looked slow...he was STILL hitting Jones even while looking like a zombie. It wasn't only Stipe that looked slow, Jones did too. If you disagree that's fine, but to ke that means you either don't know what you're watching or have deluded yourself based on fandom.

I'm not arguing against Jones legacy. Of course he's an all time great. At his best, he's the most dominant fighter I've ever seen. But he's not that guy anymore and if he shows up vs Aspinall like he did in his last fight he's likely getting smoked. If you disagree, you're probably in for a rude awakening.
 
Your instant use of emoji is cute. It's a dead giveaway that you're already emotionally invested.









Your instant use of emoji is cute. It's a dead giveaway that you're already emotionally invested.








youtube videos?
can you please post
the rankings when jones fought for the HW belt
also post the rankings after jones won the belt

let us see if aspinal was the number 1 contender back then

also please post the name of a fighter that jones is fighting now because he doesnt want tom
 
youtube videos?
Yes, youtube videos and more you choose to ignore cuz it proves you're delusional straight to your faces.

Here is Jones point blank in no uncertain terms saying he wants Perriera instead of Tom. Yes that's right he wants the easier fight and will vacate the belt to do so.
can you please post
the rankings when jones fought for the HW belt
also post the rankings after jones won the belt

Post the rankings for what reason? Why don't you post them?

Strawman, mental backflip.

Tom beat Sergei cuz Jones refused to fight anyone other than geriatric Stipe.

let us see if aspinal was the number 1 contender back then


More straw men, mental gymnastics LOL

where was Stipe ranked?

Go ahead and post the rankings so we can see where he was ranked the whole time the fight was made and pending

And Who defended the HW belt first, Tom or Jon?

also please post the name of a fighter that jones is fighting now because he doesnt want tom

He's to scred to fight so he's fighting no one

Here is who Jon himself says he wants to fight




Keep doing mental backflips in order to shove Jons dick down your throat bud. I'm sure he'll thank you for it...

BTW what happe ed to your emoji?
Too scared to use them cuz it shows how emotional you are?
 
Yes, youtube videos and more you choose to ignore cuz it proves you're delusional straight to your faces.

Here is Jones point blank in no uncertain terms saying he wants Perriera instead of Tom. Yes that's right he wants the easier fight and will vacate the belt to do so.

Post the rankings for what reason? Why don't you post them?

Strawman, mental backflip.

Tom beat Sergei cuz Jones refused to fight anyone other than geriatric Stipe.




More straw men, mental gymnastics LOL

where was Stipe ranked?

Go ahead and post the rankings so we can see where he was ranked the whole time the fight was made and pending

And Who defended the HW belt first, Tom or Jon?



He's to scred to fight so he's fighting no one

Here is who Jon himself says he wants to fight




Keep doing mental backflips in order to shove Jons dick down your throat bud. I'm sure he'll thank you for it...

BTW what happe ed to your emoji?
Too scared to use them cuz it shows how emotional you are?

i want proof that aspinal was the number 1 contender when jones fought gane
and also the time when jones vs stipe was announced
cant you give proof?
because you act like jones is dodging him🤣
and that aspinal was the number 1 fighter back then


also can you give proof that jones is fighting another fighter right now not named aspinal?
il wait
 
i want proof that aspinal was the number 1 contender when jones fought gane
and also the time when jones vs stipe was announced
cant you give proof?

I Want proof that Stipe was the number 1 contender when that fight was announced
Can't you give proof?

because you act like jones is dodging him🤣
and that aspinal was the number 1 fighter back then

No one mentioned Tom being the no 1 contender back then except you

Youre acting like Jones only fights no 1 contenders and that Stipe was a no 1 contender... At this point it's clear I'm in your head rent free lol. Case in point you use emoji on my command

also can you give proof that jones is fighting another fighter right now not named aspinal?
il wait

Also can you give proof that Jones is not refusing to fight Tom?

I've already provided proof and a video of him saying he is refusing.

While you're at it please provide proof that Islam is fighting someone other than Arman. If you don't then that must mean he IS fighting Arman next!

I won't wait cuz i have better things to do, Free Willy
 
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