DDP says Jon Jones doesn't need to prove anything else

[Bob Gray]

I joined in 2015 1200 messages. Looks like you joined in 2007 25000 messages. That's a lot on a karate forum. Guess you needed to pull out your tampons for a hurt pussy.

Check out the other forums. The heavies isn't good for much other than shit posting. Way more interesting stuff elsewhere.

 

[Joshua8531]

Check out the other forums. The heavies isn't good for much other than shit posting. Way more interesting stuff elsewhere.

Nah read your opinion once that's enough.

 

[Bob Gray]

Nah read your opinion once that's enough.

Don't even know what that means, but ok.

 

[TimeToTrain]

What were their ages?

Ryan Badder was undefeated and 27 years old... Young

Shogun was 29.... Yeah, soooo old.

Lyoto Machida was 33.... Again, not out of his prime. It's not like Jiri Prochazka is out of his prime, for example.

Rashad Evans was 33. Again, not old. 33 < 37 < 42

Vitor Belfort — 35. Again, not old considering it's right there in the middle of already losing the athleticism, but not bad yet... Still very close to prime, plus Vitor was in full TRT there...

Chael Sonnen — 36 ... Not young but not old... If Jon Jones at 38 still is not considered old, then no one in the list is old at all...

Alexander Gustaffson — 26 same age as JJ

Glover Teixeira — 34 . Young, conserving he still was in very good performance in his 40s. And that was a 17 wins streak Glover.....

Daniel Cormier — 35 ... Not old either, specially since he was the HW champion, having defeated Stipe, when he was 40 years old. So 35 is a hugely good shape DC.

OSP — younger than JJ

DC 2 — 38 .... More or less old, the sam age as JJ now. The oldest one JJ faces so far was 38 yo DC, while he was as old as Aspinall is now. Problem is, DC had lost the first match and he wanted this match badly, he wanted to be the one to beat up Jon Jones, he felt terrible after his first ever defeat 3 years ago when he was like Khabib, hadn't even lost a round.

Alexander Gustaffson II — same age as JJ

Anthony Smith — younger than JJ

Thiago Santos — 35 (not old either... JJ was 32)

Dominick Reyes — younger than Jon Jones

Cyril Gane — younger than JJ and younger than Reyes, as well...

Miocic — 42




So you were proven wrong. JJ faced no old washed up champions, unless early 30s is old. The oldest gap was vs DC, and still, in the first fight DC was 35... In the second, DC was 38. And the circumstances are different... DC wanted the rematch.

Jon Jones has fought 5 opponents younger than him, one as old and the other ones were older but no one was even near their 40s, the oldest one was DC II ... JJ defeated all kind of opponents. If you notice, many younger prospects tried fighting Alexander Gustaffson, DC, Glover, Lyoto... Younger prospects than JJ have tried many times... Still, the fact the division was dominated by the first era who was ~ early 30s mean they were the best ones, and not old. Second generation had DC fighting JJ as 35 and 38. Not old. 38 might be but DC wanted the second match badly. And so did JJ. DC later was competitive until 42 yo... So the fact he was 38 meant nothing as I'm "oh there wasn't an younger opponent". The ok, give one younger opponent right then that would be in LHW and be more of a threat than DC?



So, just so I can know that it's worth my time, do you accept that you were wrong? If not, then you just want to keep a viewpoint no matter how nonsensical it is.

Controversial wins against Gus 1 and Reyes. JJ was busted for illegal PEDs multiple times during his reign. He tarnished his legacy just to protect his resume. Quality beats quantity. And he doesn’t have quality, meaning his resume is not clean to claim GOAT status.

 

[LostMyBlackBelt]

Jon has proven he is a great fighter that cheats, and is also a POS human being.

 

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DDP making sense

 

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Controversial wins against Gus 1 and Reyes. JJ was busted for illegal PEDs multiple times during his reign. He tarnished his legacy just to protect his resume. Quality beats quantity. And he doesn’t have quality, meaning his resume is not clean to claim GOAT status.

Jon's resume is literally the definition of quality. Nothing but champs and contenders on his resume for the most part.

I get it. You don't like Jon. But to say his resume isn't chalk full of quality wins is basically shitting on his opponents who are the who's who of MMA.

 

[lefthighkick01]

If he retires everybody will say “he was sHoOk”
If he fights Aspinall and loses everybody will say “He was never good”
His only option is winning

The reasonable fans will say he's still one of the greats even if he loses or or retires, only idiots will say those things and we should ignore them.

 

[lefthighkick01]

Jon's resume is literally the definition of quality. Nothing but champs and contenders on his resume for the most part.

I get it. You don't like Jon. But to say his resume isn't chalk full of quality wins is basically shitting on his opponents who are the who's who of MMA.

if I'm being picky he's not 100% squeaky clean, there's the PEDS stuff in there, fought a couple of MW's, mind you top MW's , but its mostly a top notch resume.
some people make the argument that he was arguably beaten by Gus and Reyes but at the end of the day they are wins on his resume and they weren't robberies or anything.
but what Great doesnt have a few blemishes on their resume? they all do

 

[TimeToTrain]

Jon's resume is literally the definition of quality. Nothing but champs and contenders on his resume for the most part.

I get it. You don't like Jon. But to say his resume isn't chalk full of quality wins is basically shitting on his opponents who are the who's who of MMA.

That’s like saying Barry Bonds baseball career was quality. When in reality, it isn’t. Jones will remembered as the Barry Bonds of MMA, if not worse because you have to add in other dirty tactics like eye pokes, hiding under the cage from USADA, dodging Chael Sonnen and cancelling an entire PPV card, getting saved by Anderson Silva to face DC at UFC 200, moving an entire PPV location from Vegas to Los Angeles for Gus 2 because of his picograms. The guy is a sociopath, cold blooded liar and has never fought fair. Two conversion wins to add - Gus 1 and Reyes.

 

[Bouboumaster]

I discount his entire run at LHW for being a cheater

His HW run is rather unimpressive

He has much to prove IMO

 

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That’s like saying Barry Bonds baseball career was quality. When in reality, it isn’t. Jones will remembered as the Barry Bonds of MMA, if not worse because you have to add in other dirty tactics like eye pokes, hiding under the cage from USADA, dodging Chael Sonnen and cancelling an entire PPV card, getting saved by Anderson Silva to face DC at UFC 200, moving an entire PPV location from Vegas to Los Angeles for Gus 2 because of his picograms. The guy is a sociopath, cold blooded liar and has never fought fair. Two conversion wins to add - Gus 1 and Reyes.

Hmm... I have Barry bonds as the greatest baseball player ever. Better than bade Ruth. Better then Hank Aaron. Better then A rod.

MLB is another sport's league that was built on PEDs. At least modern MLB. In the 80s and 90s almost everyone was on PEDs. Most needed the PEDs just to stay competitive.

Just like MMA where the vast majority of guys are on something.

Like 8-12 of Jon's opponents have popped dirty. Just off the top of my head: Jake O'Brien, bonnar, Machida, and Vitor. Brandon Vera is a very vocal supporter of legalizing PEDs in MMA. There's but I'd have to look at Jon's resume.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

DDP is right, i think you either think Jones is the GOAT or his juicing suspensions disqualify him from that.