Where are all the know it alls that thought Tom would beat Francis?

[dominion]

Where did I say he sucked? The strawmans are off the chain in this place.

Bullshyt you eluded to Tom's performance not being good enough to beat Francis because Gane ran away jabbing for a few minutes. Talk about a strawman

How did Francis do against gane btw. Now that was a disappointing performance

 

[rakeleaves]

Bullshyt you eluded to Tom's performance not being good enough to beat Francis because Gane ran away jabbing for a few minutes. Talk about a strawman

Being not good enough to beat the best HW in the world isn't the same as saying you suck. Not complicated, but somehow this is for you.

And even if I was guilty of saying he sucked and denying it (which isn't the case), that would still not qualify as a strawman: it would be just me lying about what I said. So not sure what you are going on about there, genius.

 

[whocares]

Yeah this wasn't a narrative. I know some of you are about to lose your ebt for crack rocks swap in 5 days but simmer down.

 

[sdpdude9]

No, actually I had the same take before this fight because we haven't seen the evidence of this supposed superior boxing, power, and GOAT level MMA skills like the media machine was hyping him up to be. You have a fighter, Tom, who doesn't take his head off the centerline much going against a guy who has GOAT HW knockout power and outboxed and dropped Tyson Fury. It's simple analysis 101.

Last night merely strengthened that position. Francis has way more proven skills and track record... It's like calm down; your boy beat some guys in a dead HW division
(Blaydes, Volkov, Pavlo) that would be lucky to be top 10 in any other decent era.

Anybody calling him goat is stupid. But so is using an incomplete round as reasoning why he loses another fight to a guy that also lost the same round to the same guy.

 

[dominion]

Being not good enough to beat the best HW in the world isn't the same as saying you suck. Not complicated, but somehow this is for you.

How is it in your pea brain do you manage to conclude that Tom wasn't good enough to beat Francis because he didn't wipe out Gane immediately. What about Francis himself struggling against Gane, and he didn't get poked up. Dumb shit bro, dumb shit

 

[rakeleaves]

Anybody calling him goat is stupid. But so is using an incomplete round as reasoning why he loses another fight to a guy that also lost the same round to the same guy.

Yeah in the quote you quoted I clearly said that round just supplemented my previous analysis, which I highlight. People make predications about fights all the time but somehow it is forbidden to cite a round in which a guy showed terrible boxing? That's highly relevant when going up against Francis.

 

[sdpdude9]

Yeah in the quote you quoted I clearly said that round just supplemented my previous analysis, which I highlight. People make predications about fights all the time but somehow it is forbidden to cite a round in which a guy showed terrible boxing? That's highly relevant when going up against Francis.

It’s a dumb point when Francis also lost the boxing in the first round to the same guy. That’s the point.

 

[rakeleaves]

How is it in your pea brain do you manage to conclude that Tom wasn't good enough to beat Francis because he didn't wipe out Gane immediately. What about Francis himself struggling against Gane, and he didn't get poked up. Dumb shit bro, dumb shit

Didn't wipe out Gane immediately? No, that's not what happened. Tom got jabbed up by the superior boxer, and he was gassed, bloodied, and breathing out of his mouth inside 1 round. Nice downplaying though. Any objective analyst would say that if he fights like that against Francis, chances are he gets knocked out.

 

[rakeleaves]

It’s a dumb point when Francis also lost the boxing in the first round to the same guy. That’s the point.

He had 1 bad knee and still was not hit cleanly by that many jabs as Aspinall was. Francis wasn't busted up, Tom was. That's a fact.

 

[Axe720]

It's easy to watch him move and see his boxing isn't as high level as people were making it out to be. He's extremely hittable, and that doesn't bode well going against Francis. It's simple... anybody objective would have seen this but unfortunately, the media propaganda and rabbid UK fanboys have deluded people.

He's hittable, but Gane hits everybody. I knew Gane's movement was going to be a problem for Aspinall, both offensively and defensively. But the round was even until Gane bloodied him up. People are just not used to seeing him take any damage at all, and they're mad because of how the fight ended.

 

[Viking Power]

Dude it was a razor close round. Gane bopped him on the nose while running for his life. Tom landed the harder shots IMO and it was 30-27 in strikes landed. It was 4:35 into the round so not a HALF of a round FYI. Nobody credible said Tom had greater power then Ngannou. How are you concluding Tom's chin isn't better than Frank's? Maybe it is maybe it isn't but Tom wasn't rocked in any way by Gane's butterfly movement.

One thing that I know for sure, Frank would have fought Tom if he were still in the UFC and held the belt while Tom won the Interim Title.

Spot on.

 

[rakeleaves]

He's hittable, but Gane hits everybody. I knew Gane's movement was going to be a problem for Aspinall, both offensively and defensively. But the round was even until Gane bloodied him up. People are just not used to seeing him take any damage at all, and they're mad because of how the fight ended.

Don't let the fact that Gane hits everybody obscure the fact that Tom has major defensive holes. Francis showed better defense on 1 knee than Aspinall did last night. People don't know what they're looking at.

 

[Axe720]

Don't let the fact that Gane hits everybody obscure the fact that Tom has major defensive holes. Francis showed better defense on 1 knee than Aspinall did last night. People don't know what they're looking at.

I look at it as more like Gane looking good. He's the one guy who can match Aspinall's speed, but also use better movement. Best he's looked in a long time.

 

[dominion]

Didn't wipe out Gane immediately? No, that's not what happened. Tom got jabbed up by the superior boxing and he was gassed, bloodied, and breathing out of his mouth inside 1 round. Nice downplaying. Any objective analyst would saw if he fights like that against Francis, chances are he gets knocked out.

He was gassed now? Gtoh you made that up. Rewatch the fight Tom was landing the harder shots including a leg kick that got Gane off balance and running. He wasn't going to endure much more of those, what would he do take Tom down? His jabbing luck ran out after the 3 min mark. And Tom was closing the distance. It was a matter of time before gane got caught. People thought Arlovski was doing good too, when he was jabbing Tom. Or blaydes before Tom injured his knee. Or even Edwards before he poked Belal. It's nonsensical to imply Tom had such a poor performance in that amount of time that he can't beat so and so. Go home and think about it.

 

[sdpdude9]

He had 1 bad knee and still was not hit cleanly by that many jabs as Aspinall was. Francis wasn't busted up, Tom was. That's a fact.

Aspinall landed twice as many strikes overall and 4x as many head strikes as Francis did in round 1. Francis landed only 7 more strikes at distance over 25 minutes than Aspinall did in 4:30. Why isn’t this part of your analysis?

 

[rakeleaves]

He was gassed now? Gtoh you made that up. Rewatch the fight Tom was landing the harder shots including a leg kick that got Gane off balance and running. He wasn't going to endure much more of those, what would he do take Tom down? His jabbing luck ran out after the 3 min mark. And Tom was closing the distance. It was a matter of time before gane got caught. People thought Arlovski was doing good too, when he was jabbing Tom. Or blaydes before Tom injured his knee. Or even Edwards before he poked Belal. It's nonsensical to imply Tom had such a poor performance in that amount of time that he can't beat so and so. Go home and think about it.

He literally landed his best jabs after the 3 minute mark. You post is just utterly delusional; most people don't agree for a reason. And yes he was gassed, breathing out of his mouth, busted nose, lunging in desperation getting countered coming in. No point in restating the obvious over and over. Matter of time before Gane got caught? You're the only person saying that. Are you from the UK? Haha

 

[rakeleaves]

Aspinall landed twice as many strikes overall and 4x as many head strikes as Francis did in round 1. Francis landed only 7 more strikes at distance over 25 minutes than Aspinall did in 4:30. Why isn’t this part of your analysis?

Because we were talking about defence... if you put in the bare minimum effort to follow the discussion, you would know that. Easier to land more strikes if you don't mind being countered coming in and losing while doing so. Also, like I said, Francis had a bum knee... he did pretty well considering that fact, pulled out the W and showed more heart than your boy.

Pretty crazy that you are using a fight that Francis won with a bum knee as some sort of gotcha, while your boy had his nose busted open inside 1 round.

 

[Ares Black]

Right here. Still do.

 

[sdpdude9]

Because was were talking about defense... if you put in the bare minimum effort of to follow the discussion, you would know that. Also, like I said, Francis had a bum knee... he did pretty well considering that fact, pulled out the W and showed more heart than your boy.

We weren’t talking defense, we were talking boxing. You’re moving the goalposts because the information doesn’t fit your narrative.

And lol at “my boy.” You think because you’re a fanboy anybody disagreeing with you must be too. I never suggested Aspinall beats Francis, just that your reasoning is stupid. Which it still is and you’ve done nothing to dispel that.

 

[mkt]

Aspinall landed twice as many strikes overall and 4x as many head strikes as Francis did in round 1. Francis landed only 7 more strikes at distance over 25 minutes than Aspinall did in 4:30. Why isn’t this part of your analysis?

It's also worth noting that maybe Gane has finally made significant improvements in his TDD and anti-wrestling. It was terrible against Ngannou. It's quite possible Tom could've just taken down and submitted or LnP'd the version of Gane who fought Ngannou. So anyone comparing Tom's fight with Ngannou's needs to take that into account.

Of course Tom-Gane was less than 5 minutes so people are extrapolating way too much from it.