Alex vs Tom needs to be done!!

[ShadowRun]

In other words he was trying to give himself additional advantages by cutting to a lower weight class where he would have exceptional size, strength and power?

And this make you think he would beat Tom?

I'm guessing Alex's many more years of fighting , he has more power and his more techinical. But in bigger fights with harder opponents is why he thinks Alex would win

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

I'm guessing Alex's many more years of fighting

In kickboxing. Tom is much more experienced in MMA and grappling.

he has more power

Wheres the evidence for this? Tom KOs bigger opponents and does it quicker.

But in bigger fights with harder opponents

Ah yes, Khalil Rountree, Jamahal Hill and 40 year old Jan would definitely beat Volkov, Blaydes and Pav.

 

[Luffy]

In other words he was trying to give himself additional advantages by cutting to a lower weight class where he would have exceptional size, strength and power?

And this make you think he would beat Tom?

Yes. Because he can't recover all his weight... So if he were good enough to fight in MW size vs middle weight skilled guys, then he is a HW with an ability above that of MWs. Easy work for HWs. He can't recover all his size. It's the same as many athletes did, like Chimaev did that a lot min WW, Dricus does the same. And he only fought on MW because of Adessnya anyways. Otherwise he wouldn't have. Adessnya called him. And if reducing his natural size and resistance made him good enough by, even then when he was far less skilled, beat the best MW back then, then with HW size while lean, yes, he'd beat Tom.

 

[Luffy]

In kickboxing. Tom is much more experienced in MMA and grappling.



Wheres the evidence for this? Tom KOs bigger opponents and does it quicker.




Ah yes, Khalil Rountree, Jamahal Hill and 40 year old Jan would definitely beat Volkov, Blaydes and Pav.

Lol Tom fought only olde opponents. The only opponent he fought who was in a win streak was Pavlovich, who then went on to lose to Volkov. Tom didn't even beat a #1 top HW ranked guy, Gane who was done in round 1 by JJ (who struggle later with the later LHWs) is the best opponent Tom will face in his career. Alex only fought one opponent who was older (Jan) while Tom fought Curtis who had been KO:d brutally 4x before, 43 yo Arlovski, and was 1-1 with Curtis. He doesn't fight for over a year (in theory). Meanwhile Alex Pereira has defeated 6 former world champions across 2 weight classes all in their prime except Jan Blackowski who was still competitive. He lost a close , very close decision to someone who is 7 years without a loss while with Norovirus, and still made the fight very close. Tom's resume doesn't even compare. There's a reason Tom instead of building up the fight is avoiding and saying "I'd rematch Ankalaev if I were him, I'm speaking only if I were in his position"... All while Tom said Alex is one of the most dangerous guys to ever fight in the UFC and would be more of a problem than any current HW (see his podcast with Logan Paul).

Get your facts straight at least.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Alex only fought one opponent who was older (Jan)

Khalil - 34
Hill - 33
Jiri - 30/31
Jan - 40
Sean - 30
Izzy - 34

Blaydes - 33
Pav - 31
Volkov - 33
Spivac - 26


But you frame this as "Alex only fought one opponent who was older" knowing that this is purely because Alex himself is 6 years older than Tom, because you are a troll.

and was 1-1 with Curtis.

Again, troll.

Meanwhile Alex Pereira has defeated 6 former world champions across 2 weight classes all in their prime except Jan Blackowski who was still competitive.

At 185 and 205, how exactly does this pertain to Poatans chances in a head to head fight with a 6'5 250lb HW?

You're also conveniently leaving out how Poatan was fast tracked into opportunities, and that circumstances aligned in those divisions for there to be a bunch of short lived mediocre champs for him to face. Whereas the HW belt had years of Stipe and DC keeping it between themselves, was then held up even more by Ngannou, then more still by Jon, limiting opportunities for others to become champ.

"world champs" Jiri, Hill and Jan would lose more than they won matched up vs none world champs Pav, Blaydes and Volkov. Shit, Spivac probably picks up some wins against them. Its a meaningless metric in this context as we arent talking p4p.

There's a reason Tom instead of building up the fight is avoiding and saying "I'd rematch Ankalaev if I were him, I'm speaking only if I were in his position"...

Might be something to do with it being a guy in a different weight class coming off of a loss....

 

[Dave Poodle]

Let's see how Alex does in the Ank rematch first. Maybe if he wins but loosing 2 title fights at LHW then getting another title fight at HW would be a joke. Think it's highly unlikely Gane beats Tom. If Alex loses and moves up him vs Gane would be a good fight he could win while Volkov vs Almeida winner gets next shot

 

[mkess101]

Well, I'm saying Alex is still getting better at 38. You said training makes one worse ironically but most fighters get worst with wear and tear of being punched over and over. I'm saying Pereira is one of those genetic freaks that doesn't make sense under normal patterns, age etc...

Uh huh. I think you're gonna see how truly unbeatable Father Time is, buddy. Alex has very little time left as an elite fighter. He's not done YET, but it's coming. Soon.

 

[Tweak896]

Of course not. He's a superstar. No HW is calling for the fight. Not even Gane was. Dana had said regardless that win or lose, he would fight straight for the belt. It doesn't make sense for the superstar to find some top 5 HW who 1) he'd defeat easily and 2) is not even calling to fight Tom... Jailton Almeida said he'd like for Pereira to get the belt there at HW, even... HW is deader than WW right now, so even in LHW Poatan just needed one fight to fight for the belt, it's been said if he goes HW, he's in the title picture already, vs Tom or Gane. Ofc his goal is to get to JJ... That's why he has been calling for Tom for a long time. But that fight will happen regardless, Pereira and Tom Aspinall will go down before than the rematch vs Ank most likely, considering Jiri is the back up fighter, which would make no sense as Pereira never had a back up fighter. Tom vs Alex is inevitable.

All he had to do was get through Ankalaev or he could've vacated and moved to HW before that. He chose his path and has to face the options the outcome brings him.

When has someone lost a belt in a lower weight class, then immediately after, the UFC gives them a title shot in a higher weight class they've never fought before? No one, not even Conor.

 

[TOMFDJYEDH]

Alex would likely never wake up. Damn casuals.

 

[wolffanghameha]

Fanboyism is dumb

 

[KO Shotz]

They'd won't do it since there's no active HW. You can't bring a solution when there's just no prospect in HW. Alex fulfilled what he had to do at 205. He will go to HW. There's nothing stop a fighter from going up a class specially when they don't have the belt. That's more than fair. Alex can fight Tom, JJ, maybe Ankalaev can move up if he wants as he teased to by posting his weight right after Alex posted his weight. Maybe Ngannou can come back. But there's no active fighter right now in the upper divisions barring Alex, Ankalaev and Jiri. And Alex is honestly imo the best fighter right now.

Tom vs Gane won't be a draw. Ngannou isn't coming back for now. Tom beat up most of top 10. There's nothing there. I'd rather see Alex having the chance to beat Tom and then, JJ's team said they'd be open for a super fight... Outside that, you won't get much. Tom said he has 4 fights left... Alex Pereira and Glover said they plan to fight for the UFC for 3 more years at least, with Glover saying Alex is in a better shape than he was at his age and can push even plus 42, saying he's build differently... Even tho he's 38, some guys are special. Even tho he's y years older than Tom, the way they speak makes it clear Alex plans on having more fights than Tom, who said "my career is closer to the end" ...

I agree with you on Pereira moving up & I'd like to see it as well, but all I'm saying is that is one fight & it will make the HW division exciting just for one fight. The UFC needs to go outta their way to bring guys in to make the HW division exciting & relevant again.

 

[Luffy]

All he had to do was get through Ankalaev or he could've vacated and moved to HW before that. He chose his path and has to face the options the outcome brings him.

When has someone lost a belt in a lower weight class, then immediately after, the UFC gives them a title shot in a higher weight class they've never fought before? No one, not even Conor.

No, the path he chose is literally what is the best for the division. If he vacated without facing Ankalaev, then ppl would always say "Ankalaev is trash". The honorable thing to do is to pass the torch if you go up... So you dint hold a division down to your standards. I'm fact, Alex was almost pulled off the fight due to him being very I'll when fighting Ankalaev, but he said he doesn't regret... He even said that losing the LHW gets him to not hold a belt. Btw, look at Dana saying, Alex is set to face the winner of Tom and Cyril Gane... And DC is saying he thinks Alex Pereira will call out JJ to a last fight. It's not for nothing those fighters are thinking on Alex Vs Jon Jones... It's not for nothing Tom is hesitant on calling Alex... Alex is the biggest fight he can have, even more than JJ in terms of money. The fact he was even calling Ankaalev to build a rematch vs Alex means that — he isn't confident enough to take on Alex. Like Illia Topuria said, "the UFC needs to show Alex fighting soon". Real knows real

 

[Luffy]

Uh huh. I think you're gonna see how truly unbeatable Father Time is, buddy. Alex has very little time left as an elite fighter. He's not done YET, but it's coming. Soon.

I bet just in a joking way with you. Ofc not money. But I bet that Alex Pereira stops Tom and it won't even go the decision, it'll be likely a second ~ 4th round TKO. Wanna play? I'm totally serious... Tom and Alex will happen and Alex will beat up Tom. Call me what you want, but I've followed it to a point, played with many and many possibilities in coding, softwares, see the way the fighters are acting, their messages there... And I repeat: no one will give Alex Pereira a harder time than Ankalaev. When fighting Tom, that will be easier for Alex. I don't bet money ofc, but if that doesn't happen, and Alex loses, I don't comment here ever again. But as someone who I see as evolving a lot in understanding and picking fights, I am 90% sure Alex Pereira beats Tom Aspinall.

 

[flektarn]

At least alex actually trains his TDD instead of playing FIFA all day.

 

[Luffy]

Alex would likely never wake up. Damn casuals.

This be the opposite, in fact, wait and see. You don't know how much if a monster Pereira is. He's the UFC killer... I assure you, Tom can give him a good fight, but he's not on Alex Pereira's level. Tom is elite, Alex is a monster. Ankalaev said himself Alex is on a different level from any HW... Again, Tom is no match for Pereira.

 

[JBJ was here]

At least alex actually trains his TDD instead of playing FIFA all day.

Be fair: Gane also spends time making movies.

 

[Luffy]

At least alex actually trains his TDD instead of playing FIFA all day.

Heck, he trains instead of being a pro YouTuber like Tom has been lately lmao. But Alex can beat anyone at HW. That I'm almost sure of. He's a monster and Tom would be easier than Ankalaev in any way shape of form. And I still maintain that a healthy Pereira would turn the script and get a 4-1 on Ank. But anyways, Alex Pereira TKOs Tom round 2 is my bet.

 

[Ibm]

Alex has a much better chance at tagging Jones than Tom.

 

[mkess101]

I bet just in a joking way with you. Ofc not money. But I bet that Alex Pereira stops Tom and it won't even go the decision, it'll be likely a second ~ 4th round TKO. Wanna play? I'm totally serious... Tom and Alex will happen and Alex will beat up Tom. Call me what you want, but I've followed it to a point, played with many and many possibilities in coding, softwares, see the way the fighters are acting, their messages there... And I repeat: no one will give Alex Pereira a harder time than Ankalaev. When fighting Tom, that will be easier for Alex. I don't bet money ofc, but if that doesn't happen, and Alex loses, I don't comment here ever again. But as someone who I see as evolving a lot in understanding and picking fights, I am 90% sure Alex Pereira beats Tom Aspinall.

Absolutely we can make a gentleman's wager on it it ever happens. Tom will be too big, too strong, too good a grappler for Alex. I do bet $ on fights, but would probably pass on this matchup because Tom will be too juiced. Alex is a dangerous striker obviously so paying -400 or whatever on Tom wouldn't make sense. But most likely he'd steamroll Alex and make it look easy. Wouldn't be a knoc on Alex, just losing to a bigger, younger and more well rounded guy.

 

[mkess101]

This be the opposite, in fact, wait and see. You don't know how much if a monster Pereira is. He's the UFC killer... I assure you, Tom can give him a good fight, but he's not on Alex Pereira's level. Tom is elite, Alex is a monster. Ankalaev said himself Alex is on a different level from any HW... Again, Tom is no match for Pereira.

Just repeating it doesn't make it true.