Tom should forget about Jones and ask for another fight

[CombatCyborg]

Other than making less money, the worst thing for Tom about taking another interim title fight is it hurts his potential legacy as a champion. He is poised to become the most successful HW champ in UFC history by getting 4+ title defences, which would take him 3 years at the pace he's been competing. Every interim title fight he accepts at this point is eating into that.

 

[Bwagster]

Simple, strip Jon of the belt and let Tom fight for the title. Jon can have a few fun fights before he retires. The UFC letting the heavyweight title linger is ridiculous. Jon needs to shit or get off the pot(to quote my grand-mom).

 

[jitzmonkey]

Because Jones has fought more recently than Apsinall, would be the main reason why "retired" would be a goofy narrative to push. What does that make Aspinall?

Yeah, but who’d he fight?
Factually: Miocic was a 42 y/o fighter who was winless in 4+ years.

And it really just comes down to being a narrative.
Since Aspinall hasn’t declined a fight with JBJ (correct me if I’m wrong since you might be more tuned in than I am,) he can respectfully but adamantly take the Colby route (after RDA.)
The main difference is that Tom has never turned down a fight with the GOAT.

Remember, it doesn’t have to be completely true as long as he sells it.

 

[mangokush]

The UFC is protecting Jones, no way they would let Jones fight an actual top HW on a winstreak like Tom

The UFC doesn't believe that Jones can beat Tom which is why they are reluctant on this matchup

Had to give a softball to Jones for his HW debut with No ground game Gane and old Stipe coming off a KO loss

Smart for the UFC to not let Jones fight Tom

 

[markg171]

Jones is talking about wanting a full six-month training camp, which makes a fight one that happens in the fall.

I'm not getting the pearl-clutching over this.

Cause deep down all these "confident Tom fans" simply want him to be crowned without ever having to potentially lose to Jon or anybody else first.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Cause deep down all these "confident Tom fans" simply want him to be crowned without ever having to potentially lose to Jon or anybody else first.

I don't think anyone really wants that, including Tom himself

 

[markg171]

I don't think anyone really wants that, including Tom himself

Then why are they vehemently opposed to:

- Tom defending again in the mean time if Jon won’t fight him right now

Or

- Jon getting the 6 months prep he asks for to unify

The only logical excuse to oppose BOTH is that they’re afraid of Tom losing without first being champion.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Then why are they vehemently opposed to:

- Tom defending again in the mean time if Jon won’t fight him right now

Or

- Jon getting the 6 months prep he asks for to unify

The only logical excuse to oppose BOTH is that they’re afraid of Tom losing without first being champion.

Firstly Aspinall isn't champ so he's not defending. Secondly if Aspinall fights in the mean time and loses the Jones fight might go away. Thirdly Jones should have had enough time to prepare by now you'd reckon, he hasn't had the busiest schedule.

The only logical conclusion is that you hate Aspinall and/or his fans for some reason.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

I agree, If tom really wanted to stick it to jones, He'd just start fighting and prove he can have a legacy of his own independent of jon jones.

He’s going to have to prove that regardless because this would be Jones’s last fight.

 

[markg171]

Firstly Aspinall isn't champ so he's not defending. Secondly if Aspinall fights in the mean time and loses the Jones fight might go away. Thirdly Jones should have had enough time to prepare by now you'd reckon, he hasn't had the busiest schedule.

The only logical conclusion is that you hate Aspinall and/or his fans for some reason.

Jon is the actual champ and gave the timeline to unify against the guy they claim they want to.

The fake champ fans say no and we should promote him without doing so.

Tom fans are clearly scared

 

[Human Bass]

Cause deep down all these "confident Tom fans" simply want him to be crowned without ever having to potentially lose to Jon or anybody else first.

BS.

 

[RockyLockridge]

he is the best HW in the world right now and should fight like the belt didn't exist? that's bizarre

Nothing bizzare about it really, if you're the best HW in the world you shouldn't be chasing anyone. People should be chasing you. MANY FIGHTERS GET THIS WRONG. He should just embrace that role, Public accost jones for being a coward while giving props to his competition. Remind everyone that he's old, washed up shell of his former self, beating him does nothing for aspinall ect, Also doubt his star power and say i dont think anyone cares about him anymore. All these things would be MUCH more effective than actually openly pursuing jones.

I mean really publicly accost jones, say he's an alcoholic wifebeater who abuses his kids ect, then remind whomever is listening that Jones can do absolutely nothing about this shit talk, because he won't fight. publicly dismiss jones and say something like, I'll take the jones fight if he gets on his knees and begs me.

 

[mkess101]

Cause deep down all these "confident Tom fans" simply want him to be crowned without ever having to potentially lose to Jon or anybody else first.

I think them fighting fucking TOMORROW would be amazing.

 

[mkess101]

Jon is the actual champ and gave the timeline to unify against the guy they claim they want to.

The fake champ fans say no and we should promote him without doing so.

Tom fans are clearly scared

There is no "actual champ", you've yet to rebut that the belts are arbitrary and only hold as much value as the UFC brass grant them in a given moment.

Fact: any champ can be stripped for ANY reason at any time. With zero tools at their disposal to dispute it. By definition, this makes the belts arbitrary trinkets with no actual substantive value.

If the UFC decided tomorrow to strip Jones and award the belt to Tai Tuivasa because they like guys who drink beers out of shoes, nobody could do a fucking thing about it. And if they stripped Tom of his interim and gave it to Derrick Lewis because "his ballz was hot" nobody could do anything about it.

And if Tai then fought Lewis to "unify", everyone would know it was a farce on both ends. And if Jones fought Tom with no belt on the line, we'd all know it was the actual two best HW's.

So save your useless drivel because you have NO rebuttal to this. You are more interested in protecting Jones than seeing the best guys fight each other. Which is sad and weird, but certainly your right.

 

[wisdom blows]

Boxing has had an interim HW champion since like 2022.

UFC fans are beyond privileged about how interims are handled.

Hilarious Jones apologist. Defend or vacate.

 

[TimeToTrain]

Nope, Tom should only fight Jones and no one else.

 

[fzoid4454]

Yeah, but who’d he fight?
Factually: Miocic was a 42 y/o fighter who was winless in 4+ years.

And it really just comes down to being a narrative.
Since Aspinall hasn’t declined a fight with JBJ (correct me if I’m wrong since you might be more tuned in than I am,) he can respectfully but adamantly take the Colby route (after RDA.)
The main difference is that Tom has never turned down a fight with the GOAT.

Remember, it doesn’t have to be completely true as long as he sells it.

Factually - Miocic was the #3 contender when that fight was signed. It was then delayed because of a major training injury.

Pretending that this context doesn't exist is pretty moronic.

Factually - Jones hasn't turned down a fight with Aspinall, either.

Factually - Claiming that Jones is "retired" when he's fought more recently than Aspinall would be ridiculous and goofy.

 

[markg171]

Hilarious Jones apologist. Defend or vacate.

You guys completely blow past that an even MORE inactive Tom shouldn't be promoted to champ.

You guys are going to be real shocked if you get your dream of not fighting Jones only for the UFC to strip Tom too and tell him to fight for a vacant title.

 

[Prince Nephilim]

Tom is acting like an absolute diva. Shut the fuck up and stop riding Jones dick and legacy.

Claiming Jones can’t be the goat because of his so called “tainted legacy” yet meanwhile you chase him because he IS the best…and bitch that you only chase him because he has the belt.

Jones said he’ll relinquish the belt OBVIOUSLY because he’s retiring, which would automatically make Tom the real Champion especially if he defends his interim title instead of whining and complaining for an entire year whilst not fighting to solidify himself as the champion.

That’s dickriding at it’s WORST

 

[jitzmonkey]

Factually - Miocic was the #3 contender when that fight was signed. It was then delayed because of a major training injury.

Pretending that this context doesn't exist is pretty moronic.

Factually - Jones hasn't turned down a fight with Aspinall, either.

Factually - Claiming that Jones is "retired" when he's fought more recently than Aspinall would be ridiculous and goofy.

Putting yourself in Aspinall’s place, what would you do?

Would you sit around and put your future in the hands of a criminal who also happens to be a mentally disturbed violent cokehead; or would you do everything in your power to take control of the narrative and your own career?