Deadline for Tom

[BowserJr]

No dude you’re lost in the moment it’s not important to Jones overall legacy and half the mma fanbase is kinda meh about Aspinall. If that weren’t the fucking case the fight would have been made. If there is a shred of lie to what I spoke point out a successful Aspinall PPV ever or kinda blow your own horn to someone else as you sound truly mental. Approximately 95% of the fanbase has him as greatest outside of sherdog Swaying the remaining doubters is absolutely not as important as you portray

Oh shit I just realized you responded to me 3x to my same single post LMFAO!

Talk about unhinged.

Legacy is about facing all the top challenges. That's what people pay to see when it comes to all time greats. It happens in all sports. There are particular matchups that are interesting cuz no one knows who'll win. Are you really trying to deny that?

You do understand this is sports entertainment? You would be absolutely lost in interpretation to think for a second the UFC wants a guy that can’t sell a PPV beating

The guy has all of Britain behind him, he's finishing everyone inside 1 or 2 rounds. The fight has already sold itself to people who follow the sport. It needs a minor nudge to be compelling to casuals like you who eat up everything uncle Dana tells you.

UFC is very interested in this matchup because of that. They also don't want to delegitimize their entire HW division. Or are you pretending that Dana is not talking about making this match?

And why are you so far up Jons ass that your more interested in How much money he makes rather than seeing him show his skills against the toughest match ups?

Are you to scared to answer these questions? Sure seems like it

 

[BowserJr]

He's already proven the GOAT thing, unless you veto his inclusion due to his test history.

Tom might add to that, but doesn't prove anything.

I don't think losing to Tom even does that much to his legacy at this point, at least to those that aren't lead strictly by hate. He's at that age where he's going to lose at some point, they ALL do.

Not really. He has controversial wins and has looked average against everyone his size. He finally goes to the division with only guys his size and he chose to fight a 1D striker and a retired 46yr old that got koed in the previous fight.

Tom is the only guy right now who is well rounded and his size. That's why this is an interesting fight.

 

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Bruh can you please stop this narrative. After so many years you don’t get it. Jones fights blow when he fights dudes with no legacy. OSP, Smith, Gus, Reyes. All no legacy fighters. He hates that shit and always has. Say what you say about the man he isn’t afraid of skill it’s losing with no motivation to a dude that doesn’t improve his legacy. He admitted it himself but you dudes hate him so bad you come with insane attacks of the baddest skillset we have seen being afraid of certain skillsets. Even when the evidence is under your nose and the man admitted it. For the love of God can you educate at least one other person so that repeated false narrative that goes on between every Jones fight ceases and the real reason is addressed? Gracias

This times 10,000,000.
Jon struggles with no name people. And yes Gus was a relatively unknown person when Jon fought him. Jon had cleaned out the division and that UFC needed new challengers.

Motivated Jon has always wrecked his opponents outside DC 1 and that was because he said before the fight he wanted to outwrestle DC so Jon went right into DC's wheelhouse and outwrestled him in the clinch and took him down.
DC 2? Jon wrecked him. All the hall of fame fighters he beat? Left no doubt he was the better fighter.
Tom is a young guy with no legacy that ran through a trash division. It's super hard pill to swallow but it's true. Tom doesn't get Jon's juiced following because if he wins then he gets no credit because he's SUPPOSED to win. If he loses then that's a huge ding on his record and legacy. Outside of money it's a lose-lose situation for Jon honestly.
And we are still going to get that fight by summer.

 

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Oh shit I just realized you responded to me 3x to my same single post LMFAO!

Talk about unhinged.

Legacy is about facing all the top challenges. That's what people pay to see when it comes to all time greats. It happens in all sports. There are particular matchups that are interesting cuz no one knows who'll win. Are you really trying to deny that?


The guy has all of Britain behind him, he's finishing everyone inside 1 or 2 rounds. The fight has already sold itself to people who follow the sport. It needs a minor nudge to be compelling to casuals like you who eat up everything uncle Dana tells you.

UFC is very interested in this matchup because of that. They also don't want to delegitimize their entire HW division. Or are you pretending that Dana is not talking about making this match?

And why are you so far up Jons ass that your more interested in How much money he makes rather than seeing him show his skills against the toughest match ups?

Are you to scared to answer these questions? Sure seems like it

The guy does not have all of UK behind him. He can walk down a street in London and not get noticed. He's a relatively unknown guy. Outside hardcore British MMA fans no one over there knows him. Don't let Sherdog or the UFC PR machine fool you. He's not very popular in his own country. MMA is a niche sport. Very few fighters are actually famous.

I live in Chicago. September 20th is officially belal Muhammad Day. Belal can walk down any major street (Clark, Western, Ashland, Pulaski, Racine, etc) and not be recognized. He has his own day and he's still not famous by true famous standards.

Now if Patrick Kane or Caleb Williams or Kris Bryant or Canelo Alvarez walked down the street the street would be shut down.

 

[Mind Mine]

This times 10,000,000.
Jon struggles with no name people. And yes Gus was a relatively unknown person when Jon fought him. Jon had cleaned out the division and that UFC needed new challengers.

Motivated Jon has always wrecked his opponents outside DC 1 and that was because he said before the fight he wanted to outwrestle DC so Jon went right into DC's wheelhouse and outwrestled him in the clinch and took him down.
DC 2? Jon wrecked him. All the hall of fame fighters he beat? Left no doubt he was the better fighter.
Tom is a young guy with no legacy that ran through a trash division. It's super hard pill to swallow but it's true. Tom doesn't get Jon's juiced following because if he wins then he gets no credit because he's SUPPOSED to win. If he loses then that's a huge ding on his record and legacy. Outside of money it's a lose-lose situation for Jon honestly.
And we are still going to get that fight by summer.

People hate Jones so much honest discussion on his strength or weakness gets all the way misconstrued by online bozos that hate a man so bad they lose the ability for rational discussion. Pro fighters fight for the right dough and if situations or dough don’t look right they don’t fight especially if the guy is dangerous. That’s just business. Jines has absolutely nothing to gain in this but a fat paycheck. The delusion that he shouldn’t be fighting for every shilling is disrespectful to what he did in the sport whether you hate him or love him. All for a guy that couldn’t sell a PPV to save his soul

 

[Mind Mine]

Oh shit I just realized you responded to me 3x to my same single post LMFAO!

Talk about unhinged.

Legacy is about facing all the top challenges. That's what people pay to see when it comes to all time greats. It happens in all sports. There are particular matchups that are interesting cuz no one knows who'll win. Are you really trying to deny that?


The guy has all of Britain behind him, he's finishing everyone inside 1 or 2 rounds. The fight has already sold itself to people who follow the sport. It needs a minor nudge to be compelling to casuals like you who eat up everything uncle Dana tells you.

UFC is very interested in this matchup because of that. They also don't want to delegitimize their entire HW division. Or are you pretending that Dana is not talking about making this match?

And why are you so far up Jons ass that your more interested in How much money he makes rather than seeing him show his skills against the toughest match ups?

Are you to scared to answer these questions? Sure seems like it

Whoa you got me there burn. Goodbye

 

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People hate Jones so much honest discussion on his strength or weakness gets all the way misconstrued by online bozos that hate a man so bad they lose the ability for rational discussion. Pro fighters fight for the right dough and if situations or dough don’t look right they don’t fight especially if the guy is dangerous. That’s just business. Jines has absolutely nothing to gain in this but a fat paycheck. The delusion that he shouldn’t be fighting for every shilling is disrespectful to what he did in the sport whether you hate him or love him. All for a guy that couldn’t sell a PPV to save his soul

See my above post about how popular Tom is in the UK and MMA fighters in general.

 

[Mind Mine]

See my above post about how popular Tom is in the UK and MMA fighters in general.

These guys I’m just hitting block on as they don’t exist in reality. The reality is Tom can’t put asses in seats without Jon. That’s not my opinion. Taking that personal and attacking for honesty gets tired quickly. Feels like paid shills or sumn

 

[Superzorro]

Please tell me when has Jones ever fought a well-rounded younger, faster, and bigger fighter than he was? Tom checks every box that people have used as arguments for easily over a decade against claims that Jon is the GOAT.

So basically, when has he ever fought a clone of himself that’s younger and bigger? When have any of the consensus greatest fighters ever done this in MMA? GSP beat Bisping for one fight at middleweight then dipped, which I don’t see anything wrong with. But the narrative here is that Aspinall is a mandatory fight for him.

Jon is a diabolical piece of shit for purposely wasting Toms prime and earning potential being too afraid to fight him. Jones loses nothing by stalling until retirement but Toms window gets smaller every day,

Good Lord, the delusion… So Jones isn’t way older than Aspinall and getting further beyond his prime as time passes? It hasn’t even been half a year since either of them fought.

 

[Gamer2k4]

Well, there's not many cause UFC HW is a fucking ghostland now. But basically anybody that has a ground game/TD defense and KO power.

But that's my point. You can't really complain that Jones avoided all the young, prime, elite, well-rounded fighters if there aren't any of them to be named.

HW is really a "pick two of the four" situation. If the fighter is young and well-rounded, they're not going to be prime or elite. If they're elite and young, they won't be in their prime or well-rounded. If they're young and in their prime, they won't be elite or well-rounded.

The "Jones is scared of heavyweight" criticism was never legitimate because there was always going to be an excuse for whomever Jones beat. Before the Gane fight, there was a poll on Sherdog, and a plurality of posters (something like 47% to 43%) thought Gane would beat him. It was only afterward that we started hearing about how the #1 heavyweight in the UFC was "the easiest fight Jones could have taken." There's going to be an excuse for everyone else, too.

If and when the Aspinall fight happens, I expect Jones to win, and I suspect that very night we'll start hearing people make arguments against Aspinall like "his cardio was a glaring weakness" or "he only has power, not actual striking talent" or "he'd never been tested on his back" or any of a dozen other reasons for how people KNEW Jones was going to win. And then Jones will retire, and we'll get to hear about all the other fighters he "ducked" by retiring.

 

[BowserJr]

The guy does not have all of UK behind him. He can walk down a street in London and not get noticed. He's a relatively unknown guy. Outside hardcore British MMA fans no one over there knows him. Don't let Sherdog or the UFC PR machine fool you. He's not very popular in his own country. MMA is a niche sport. Very few fighters are actually famous.

I live in Chicago. September 20th is officially belal Muhammad Day. Belal can walk down any major street (Clark, Western, Ashland, Pulaski, Racine, etc) and not be recognized. He has his own day and he's still not famous by true famous standards.

Now if Patrick Kane or Caleb Williams or Kris Bryant or Canelo Alvarez walked down the street the street would be shut down.

Some of that may be true. The UFC killed their MW division to back Bisping though cuz they wanted a British star for years. Their projections of the numbers the fight would do weighs a ton for whether or not the fight happens. Jones saying Tom doesn't sell is not as important as the UFC projecting that it would

 

[ThaiSexPills]

My child I don’t give a fuck. Tom has not headlined a successful PPV and Jones had several by the time he fought Shogun. You cannot even get your narrative straight. At this point its fuck your opinion. The floor is yours get it out your feelings and then leave me smooth alone on the matter

Too bad you don’t get fights based on how many PPV’s you headlined, otherwise Jon would have a valid excuse as to why he is blatantly refusing to furfill his duty as champion. Stick to the WWE bud, in this sport you earn title shots and nobody has anywhere near a claim on a shot that Tom does.

Nothing else matters other than the belt. He either defends it or should be stripped. This is totally uncharted territory because Dana is hoping he can make the biggest fight in HW history. You can have all the meltdowns you want and claim everything under the sun but only the belt matters. Jon can do what he wants if he surrenders it. Otherwise, we get to call him on his BS. He should be grateful the ufc fed him a corpse for his Wikipedia page instead of forcing him to fight an actual contender.

Watching you have a meltdown over misunderstanding how belts work has been a laugh. Cope harder Jon

 

[BowserJr]

Whoa you got me there burn. Goodbye

Cool story bro

 

[Mind Mine]

Too bad you don’t get fights based on how many PPV’s you headlined, otherwise Jon would have a valid excuse as to why he is blatantly refusing to furfill his duty as champion. Stick to the WWE bud, in this sport you earn title shots and nobody has anywhere near a claim on a shot that Tom does.

Nothing else matters other than the belt. He either defends it or should be stripped. This is totally uncharted territory because Dana is hoping he can make the biggest fight in HW history. You can have all the meltdowns you want and claim everything under the sun but only the belt matters. Jon can do what he wants if he surrenders it. Otherwise, we get to call him on his BS. He should be grateful the ufc fed him a corpse for his Wikipedia page instead of forcing him to fight an actual contender.

Watching you have a meltdown over misunderstanding how belts work has been a laugh. Cope harder Jon

I got half a paragraph in and realized I’m talking to a delusionufus. How the hell can you fail to fulfill an obligation when you haven’t been offered the fight? When has this occurred since you made up that lie and how the fuck do you blame a fighter for the company not making a fight when his name is the only one of monetary value in the division? Oh I get it you blame him for not demanding it? Well who the fuck is Aspinall if you’re Jon Jones? We’ll start there since you clearly are lost and Daddy is going to help you get right back to earth. Melt that down you lying sack od excrement

 

[ThaiSexPills]

I got half a paragraph in and realized I’m talking to a delusionufus. How the hell can you fail to fulfill an obligation when you haven’t been offered the fight? When has this occurred since you made up that lie and how the fuck do you blame a fighter for the company not making a fight when his name is the only one of monetary value in the division? Oh I get it you blame him for not demanding it? Well who the fuck is Aspinall if you’re Jon Jones? We’ll start there since you clearly are lost and Daddy is going to help you get right back to earth. Melt that down you lying sack od excrement

“He can’t fight Tom because he hasn’t been offered it”

The whole MMA community including Jon’s boss is talking about it. Jon is talking about it. Tom is talking about it. There’s two belts right now which is totally uncharted territory. But ok, keep doing mental gymnastics and moving the goal posts. Jon has been on a constant media tour to claim he doesn’t want to fight Tom for 6 months now btw.

If Jon wants to fight for money or legacy, he has to vacate his belt. Otherwise, he’s the champion and has a job to do. But guess what, there’s not a fight on earth that could be made that would do more for his career and legacy than beating Tom to unify the belt and silence the critics. There is nothing above the integrity of a championship belt and the noise will never quiet unless he vacates, is stripped or signs a contract. He got one free pass to skip out on his obligated duty to unify to get a gimme fight against the ghost of Stipe. He can run no more.

Jon fans are insane levels of delusional. There’s two champs, two belts and one division. Both are healthy and both have fought since getting the belt. There’s never once until now been a champ who got to skirt an interim or even just refuse the top contender without being stripped. Jon gets a special rule book and it’s BS. Time has ran out and the excuses are all BS.

Who is Tom? Oh idk, the champion of the fucking division. The one with a better claim to the title, who holds a belt and who will actually fight dangerous opponents. Regardless of what you think of Tom, he has cemented himself as the only fight Jon can take now unless he vacates. I hope dont choke to death on Jon’s meat.

Some people literally forgot how championship belts work lmao.

 

[Mind Mine]

“He can’t fight Tom because he hasn’t been offered it”

The whole MMA community including Jon’s boss is talking about it. Jon is talking about it. Tom is talking about it. There’s two belts right now which is totally uncharted territory. But ok, keep doing mental gymnastics and moving the goal posts. Jon has been on a constant media tour to claim he doesn’t want to fight Tom for 6 months now btw.

If Jon wants to fight for money or legacy, he has to vacate his belt. Otherwise, he’s the champion and has a job to do. But guess what, there’s not a fight on earth that could be made that would do more for his career and legacy than beating Tom to unify the belt and silence the critics. There is nothing above the integrity of a championship belt and the noise will never quiet unless he vacates, is stripped or signs a contract. He got one free pass to skip out on his obligated duty to unify to get a gimme fight against the ghost of Stipe. He can run no more.

Jon fans are insane levels of delusional. There’s two champs, two belts and one division. Both are healthy and both have fought since getting the belt. There’s never once until now been a champ who got to skirt an interim or even just refuse the top contender without being stripped. Jon gets a special rule book and it’s BS. Time has ran out and the excuses are all BS.

Who is Tom? Oh idk, the champion of the fucking division. The one with a better claim to the title, who holds a belt and who will actually fight dangerous opponents. Regardless of what you think of Tom, he has cemented himself as the only fight Jon can take now unless he vacates. I hope dont choke to death on Jon’s meat.

Some people literally forgot how championship belts work lmao.

Please Sir can you stop flooding me with your lying jibber jabber which I have no time for and point to the exact date the fight was offered? Without said date your ENTIRE premise of ducking falls apart and you retreat back into the bowels of suckerdom from whence you smeared yourself from so please be brief. When was the fight offered officially and has Dana claimed stalling?

 

[ThaiSexPills]

Please Sir can you stop flooding me with your lying jibber jabber which I have no time for and point to the exact date the fight was offered? Without said date your ENTIRE premise of ducking falls apart and you retreat back into the bowels of suckerdom from whence you smeared yourself from so please be brief. When was the fight offered officially and has Dana claimed stalling?

What did I lie about?

Why are you so angry and defensive? You’re having a meltdown over this and I cannot understand why you’re so emotionally invested in this.

What did I lie about? I didn’t say Dana said Jon was stalling, I said the fight was promised to us by Dana btw.

It HaSnT BeEn OfFeReD

 

[Mind Mine]

What did I lie about?

Why are you so angry and defensive? You’re having a meltdown over this and I cannot understand why you’re so emotionally invested in this.

What did I lie about? I didn’t say Dana said Jon was stalling, I said the fight was promised to us by Dana btw.

It HaSnT BeEn OfFeReD

You lied about Jones ducking a fight and now we are getting to the core of the matter because the emotions come out. Emojis pictures and the whole nine yards to hide the fact AT NO POINT has an official offer been given to Jones in regard to Aspinall. You being the hating little greaseball you are actually are trying to hold the fighter more responsible than the UFC for a fight of any kind not being made with no offer and to be honest Sir I find you a goof troop all star

 

[ThaiSexPills]

You lied about Jones ducking a fight and now we are getting to the core of the matter because the emotions come out. Emojis pictures and the whole nine yards to hide the fact AT NO POINT has an official offer been given to Jones in regard to Aspinall. You being the hating little greaseball you are actually are trying to hold the fighter more responsible than the UFC for a fight of any kind not being made with no offer and to be honest Sir I find you a goof troop all star

Your logic that Jon isn’t ducking because he hasn’t been offered the fught would work in some situations but not in this one. Not this one at all. It’s very clearly on the table and even Dana mentions it. Jon himself had made a thousand excuses and Tom is the interim champ right now. It’s not like this is some obscure matchup nobody has talked about. It’s very clear to everybody that this fight is what’s next. That’s why the interim championship even exists dude.

You can call me all the names you want but I have to ask - who deserves a HW title fight more than Tom?

 

[Mind Mine]

Your logic that Jon isn’t ducking because he hasn’t been offered the fught would work in some situations but not in this one. Not this one at all. It’s very clearly on the table and even Dana mentions it. Jon himself had made a thousand excuses and Tom is the interim champ right now. It’s not like this is some obscure matchup nobody has talked about. It’s very clear to everybody that this fight is what’s next. That’s why the interim championship even exists dude.

You can call me all the names you want but I have to ask - who deserves a HW title fight more than Tom?

No bozo Unless Jon Jones owns the UFC and isn’t the guy they called out of retirement to beat up who they choose which is the reality your mark ass didn’t get there is no fucking duck. Jon Jones doesn’t write the script you nincompoop. He didn’t accept a short notice Chael fight. Call that a duck. You can’t shift reality because you don’t like a man. You can’t force him to demand a fight with a dude that can’t sell a PPV the UFC never offered officially to date. You’re a goof troop captain. Switching the rules of what is actually within a fighter’s reach of responsibility when the UFC didn’t offer what you want. Dripping goof juice