Outgunned, outnumbered, but victorious.

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Everyone loves an underdog story. Most of the time however, favorites win. Just like in life. Rich gets richer, corrupt gets back in power, free-for-all society we live in. A tale as old as time.

I've been pulling for Merab for a while and I fully understand how little support he had around here. Now the narrative may have changed though which is more than deserved.

I was really okay with Merab ducking Umar if he didn't want that fight. He was getting a massive hate with all that ducking accusations. Umar looked better everywhere technically, except volume and pressure. Umar was a significant favorite probably because people ASSUMED that being from Khabib's camp and being a tremendous MMA grappler, he PROBABLY had at least three round cardio in him to keep up. Well, he didn't, broken hand, broken skull, snapped spine, whatever the reason was.

On paper, it felt like Merab was outgunned and outnumbered. A younger, undefeated opponent, a better striker on the feet, and who can match him in wrestling with a better submission game. As a matter of fact, Umar outwrestled Merab in the first two rounds and obviously outstruck him, though the fight in later rounds is more memorable. Umar had a massive hype behind him which Merab never had, no matter wins after wins he was collecting.

It got me wondering about what were other fights where the fighters were outgunned, outnumbered everywhere on paper, but ended up winning. Usually, Tito vs Bader comes to mind.

Tito was 9 years older, on a 0-4-1 streak before the fight, and would go 0-3 after the fight before his UFC exit. Bader was 12-1 coming off a loss only to Jon Jones. Bader looked like he had Tito beat in everywhere. But the fight happened and Tito pulled out a win out of nowhere.

I'm not talking about a match up where great wrestler is going up against a subpar td guy, or a guy with a great tdd is going against a good wrestler with subpar striking. I'm talking about a fight where the other guy is essentially a better version of himself. And when you go up against a better version of yourself, unless it's a movie, and life ain't one, you likely lose.

For me, Frank Mir vs Nogueira was kinda like that too. It was a while ago, and the outcome was so definitive, so it's hard to imagine now in hindsight, but it felt like Nogueira was literally better everywhere imaginable. He closed around -400 back then for the first fight, for reference. It felt like Frank Mir was just a stepping stone, but that stepping stone wasn't going down without swinging, and down went the other guy.

What do you think were the fights where the other guy looked totally outclassed everywhere but pulled out a win?
 
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Dricus vs Whittaker, whittaker seemed better everywhere and people gave dricus like a 5% chance to win but he ended up memeing his way to a ko and becoming the only middleweight to beat whittaker other than izzy(at the time)

oh shit i was literally saying that before the fight lol totally forgot, you are right sir lol

he looked like poor man's robert whittaker, less polished version.
 
I think Merab deserves every success. He hasn't only fought against some super tough opposition... And won... He has fought against UFC senior management (the good) and he's now champ. More power to the guy.

Gotta love Dricus too he is a breath of fresh air he really is. Be interesting to see how they match-up in their second meeting.
 
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I think Merab deserves every success. He hasn't only fought against done super tough opposition... And won... He has fought against UFC senior management (the good) a d he's now champ. More power to the guy.

Gotta love Dricus too he is a breath of fresh air he really is.

i think i'm a fan of merab. i have harder time becoming a fan of newer generation of fighters personally. i like fighters, pull for them, but not necessarily a fan, but I think he made a fan out of me.

hopefully he can keep it going. humble, funny dude who is a hell of a fighter and even better friend. what's not to like

ddp, no one saw him coming but man hope to see khamzat vs ddp. would be a hell of a fight. hope strickland doesn't ruin it. sean is so unlikable and boring.
 
Griffin VS Shogun?

i'm more thinking along the line of a fight where it's not against much, much inferior opponent. but i guess you could make an argument, but griffin doesn't fight like shogun, nor does serra like gsp for example.

tito vs bader, mir vs nog, merab vs umar, they were just going up against better version of themselves while themselves being good too if that makes sense.

i guess the difference could be subtle tho
 
You should've been here when Frankie Edgar first signed to fight BJ Penn for the title. Many on here were either acting worried that we'd see the first death in the octagon or that it would go down as the easiest defense for a champion ever. That was a good night :cool:
 
You should've been here when Frankie Edgar first signed to fight BJ Penn for the title. Many on here were either acting worried that we'd see the first death in the octagon or that it would go down as the easiest defense for a champion ever. That was a good night :cool:

I was. And I don't consider it as an example for this thread though.

And BJ got robbed so that still wouldn't count.
 
I was. And I don't consider it as an example for this thread though.

And BJ got robbed so that still wouldn't count.
Good thing a rematch happened where BJ lost again. More decisively.
 
Good thing a rematch happened where BJ lost again. More decisively.

The robbery was so bad it might have ended prime BJ.

But that robbery was one of the worst ever imo.

Edgar is a legend though. Absolutely.

But BJ got robbed blind and never been the same.
 
You know, I think Joe Warren vs Kid Yamamoto probably counts here.

They threw him to the wolves as his second fight ever, and he came through. He looked like he was going to be worse everywhere, with Kid having high level wrestling, but he just ragdolled him. I mean can you imagine fighting kid as your second ever fight?

But it's JMMA. They did it, and he came through.
 
The robbery was so bad it might have ended prime BJ.

But that robbery was one of the worst ever imo.

Edgar is a legend though. Absolutely.

But BJ got robbed blind and never been the same.
Nah, they were 2-2 going into the 5th and Frankie wanted it more IMO. If BJ was as motivated as everyone was saying he was, he would've finished it in the first, never mind the 5th. Anyway, I'll go with Randy Couture against Tim Sylvia if that meets your criteria.
 
Nah, they were 2-2 going into the 5th and Frankie wanted it more IMO. If BJ was as motivated as everyone was saying he was, he would've finished it in the first, never mind the 5th. Anyway, I'll go with Randy Couture against Tim Sylvia if that meets your criteria.

i appreciate all suggestions, but it's just not fitting and nor does that one. Randy coulda always outwrestled big Tim and he did. Tim was injured too.

And no way, no how, no on this earth, nor next planet, was it 2-2. Bj was up 3-1 and won the fifth.
 
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