Outgunned, outnumbered, but victorious.

[JustOnce]

Imagine the shit that will come out of that guys mouth if he makes it to his 70s.

i don't know probably too busy trying to outlive his grandchildren by then lol

 

[Viking Power]

You should've been here when Frankie Edgar first signed to fight BJ Penn for the title. Many on here were either acting worried that we'd see the first death in the octagon or that it would go down as the easiest defense for a champion ever. That was a good night

Frankie fan here but I will straight up admit (and I think I posted this back then) that I did not think Frankie was ready and that BJ would smoke him. Happy that I was wrong.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

Dricus vs Whittaker, whittaker seemed better everywhere and people gave dricus like a 5% chance to win but he ended up memeing his way to a ko and becoming the only middleweight to beat whittaker other than izzy(at the time)

That was just a case of people criminally sleeping on DDP IMO

He was bigger physically and had the grappling edge on paper and in the fight, and his kickboxing was being underrated.

 

[JustOnce]

Frankie fan here but I will straight up admit (and I think I posted this back then) that I did not think Frankie was ready and that BJ would smoke him. Happy that I was wrong.

no it's okay, you were definitely right about that.

bj got robbed blind.

 

[JustOnce]

That was just a case of people criminally sleeping on DDP IMO

He was bigger physically and had the grappling edge on paper and in the fight, and his kickboxing was being underrated.

on paper did NOT have the grappling edge. Rob was a better grappler on paper imo.

Was better everywhere on paper and it's not easy to muscle around Rob by strength.

But he got manhandled.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

on paper did NOT have the grappling edge. Rob was a better grappler on paper imo.

Was better everywhere on paper and it's not easy to muscle around Rob by strength.

But he got manhandled.

I guess I just disagree with that, but I was high on DDP for a while beforehand, even way back when Soldić sparked him.

 

[JustOnce]

I guess I just disagree with that, but I was high on DDP for a while beforehand, even way back when Soldić sparked him.

yeah soldic is really unfortunate case...he got starched by nobody....then i dont know what he's doing now....he was a sparring partner for some super high level guy for a big fight...

that's what everyone thought, most of folks anyways I think

News Thread 'Robert Whittaker Vs Dricus Du Plessis - UFC 290'

Apr 21, 2023

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like 90 percent of sherbros had rob, he was outgunned everywhere on paper.

then through african power he ragdolled and finished rob.

 

[JustOnce]

wft forum just wierd as hell, but yeah the poll is there inside

 

[JustOnce]

You know arguably, Hughes belong here too.

Maybe.

 

[Paladin]

Everyone loves an underdog story. Most of the time however, favorites win. Just like in life. Rich gets richer, corrupt gets back in power, free-for-all society we live in. A tale as old as time.

I've been pulling for Merab for a while and I fully understand how little support he had around here. Now the narrative may have changed though which is more than deserved.

I was really okay with Merab ducking Umar if he didn't want that fight. He was getting a massive hate with all that ducking accusations. Umar looked better everywhere technically, except volume and pressure. Umar was a significant favorite probably because people ASSUMED that being from Khabib's camp and being a tremendous MMA grappler, he PROBABLY had at least three round cardio in him to keep up. Well, he didn't, broken hand, broken skull, snapped spine, whatever the reason was.

On paper, it felt like Merab was outgunned and outnumbered. A younger, undefeated opponent, a better striker on the feet, and who can match him in wrestling with a better submission game. As a matter of fact, Umar outwrestled Merab in the first two rounds and obviously outstruck him, though the fight in later rounds is more memorable. Umar had a massive hype behind him which Merab never had, no matter wins after wins he was collecting.

It got me wondering about what were other fights where the fighters were outgunned, outnumbered everywhere on paper, but ended up winning. Usually, Tito vs Bader comes to mind.

Tito was 9 years older, on a 0-4-1 streak before the fight, and would go 0-3 after the fight before his UFC exit. Bader was 12-1 coming off a loss only to Jon Jones. Bader looked like he had Tito beat in everywhere. But the fight happened and Tito pulled out a win out of nowhere.

I'm not talking about a match up where great wrestler is going up against a subpar td guy, or a guy with a great tdd is going against a good wrestler with subpar striking. I'm talking about a fight where the other guy is essentially a better version of himself. And when you go up against a better version of yourself, unless it's a movie, and life ain't one, you likely lose.

For me, Frank Mir vs Nogueira was kinda like that too. It was a while ago, and the outcome was so definitive, so it's hard to imagine now in hindsight, but it felt like Nogueira was literally better everywhere imaginable. He closed around -400 back then for the first fight, for reference. It felt like Frank Mir was just a stepping stone, but that stepping stone wasn't going down without swinging, and down went the other guy.

What do you think were the fights where the other guy looked totally outclassed everywhere but pulled out a win?

Randy Couture vs The Tim Sylvia.

What an epic performance by Randy

 

[JustOnce]

Randy Couture vs The Tim Sylvia.

What an epic performance by Randy

Tim had a back injury. Man, Tim is so underated too.

Before he popped, he looked lean, muscular too.

 

[HHJ]

A bunch of Chris Leben fights. The dude had a Dustin Porier-esque ability to survive all out brawls.

 

[JustOnce]

You know, I remembered, what's that guy's name, Hernandez? Hernandez vs Viera is the one.

Hernandez was subbed three fights ago against a guy who wasn't even a brown belt. And it looked like, and he is, a grappler too. Got finished in two of his last three fights, going against the UBER-BJJ prospect in Viera.

He was like a purple belt too.

It was a lamb to the slaughter, but that lamb had a chainsaw in his back pocket.

 

[JustOnce]

A bunch of Chris Leben fights. The dude had a Dustin Porier-esque ability to survive all out brawls.

Leben subbing Akiyama is one of the most what-did-we-just-see submission of all time lol

 

[JustOnce]

You know, I was just in the other thread and was reminded of Big Foot/Overeem fight. It probably deserves a mention here too

Down two rounds as well.

 

[JustOnce]

You know, Lombard vs Boetsch deserves a mention too. lol I guess Boestch is mentioned twice

Lombard was running through everyone in Bellator and was 31-2-1. It looked like Lombard was better everywhere and then some....then just Lombard got Tim Boestched....

 

[rightfight777]

I like Merab as a person but as a fighter but find his cardio highly suspect and think there is a high probability he may be the "Lance Armstrong of the UFC"

 

[dildos]

i dont think umar was as high heralded as you think he was.

i think any level headed thinker you have had merab handedly beating umar.

 

[ejazahmednit]

When Robbie Lawler became champion
Everyone thought Rory was the next GSP

 

[Hog-train]

The 2nd Adesanya Pereira fight.