Outgunned, outnumbered, but victorious.

VinceArch said:
You should've been here when Frankie Edgar first signed to fight BJ Penn for the title. Many on here were either acting worried that we'd see the first death in the octagon or that it would go down as the easiest defense for a champion ever. That was a good night :cool:
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I'm a huge BJ fan but I was probably the only person on here saying Frankie would likely win.

It was for 2 reasons. 1 LW looked completely cleaned out. Frankie got the shot after winning an ok fight with sherk (decision).

2. His movement in the sherk fight impressed me even though not much happened. He just seemed so much faster woth the lateral movement and had a good chin. I just couldn't see BJ landing clean since BJ wasn't that good in lateral movement. Plus BJ didn't have the best fight IQ and preferred to stand and want and never adjusted mid fight

That all being said I think BJ should've gotten the nod with it being a close fight
 
Bigi Boi vs Reem
Every Derrick Lewis win
Reem vs Volkov
Reem vs big Ben
Reem vs Silva
Werdum vs Stipe
Fedor vs Werdum
Mir vs Nog
Shogun vs Machida
Forrest vs Shogun
Serra vs GSP
Forrest vs Rampage
 
BowserJr said:
I'm a huge BJ fan but I was probably the only person on here saying Frankie would likely win.

It was for 2 reasons. 1 LW looked completely cleaned out. Frankie got the shot after winning an ok fight with sherk (decision).

2. His movement in the sherk fight impressed me even though not much happened. He just seemed so much faster woth the lateral movement and had a good chin. I just couldn't see BJ landing clean since BJ wasn't that good in lateral movement. Plus BJ didn't have the best fight IQ and preferred to stand and want and never adjusted mid fight

That all being said I think BJ should've gotten the nod with it being a close fight
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Watching Frankie's debut in 2006 against Tyson Griffin, I said this guy will be champion. I wasn't old enough to purchase PPV's so missed a lot of his fights at first but after purchasing UFC 98 and saw that he was still winning with only one loss at the time, I knew he was exceptionally tough and would give Sherk trouble which is what happened and then he finished Matt Veach and earned his 4 FOTN award... the writing was on the wall he was going to be a legend. BJ won the first two rounds but Frankie adjusted which is something BJ never did as you just said and won the last 3 on my score card, don't get me wrong, they were highly competitive, but I had Frankie winning.
 
R3 was a close round that Umar arguably won... but sure, he doesn't have 3 round cardio.
 
VinceArch said:
Watching Frankie's debut in 2006 against Tyson Griffin, I said this guy will be champion. I wasn't old enough to purchase PPV's so missed a lot of his fights at first but after purchasing UFC 98 and saw that he was still winning with only one loss at the time, I knew he was exceptionally tough and would give Sherk trouble which is what happened and then he finished Matt Veach and earned his 4 FOTN award... the writing was on the wall he was going to be a legend. BJ won the first two rounds but Frankie adjusted which is something BJ never did as you just said and won the last 3 on my score card, don't get me wrong, they were highly competitive, but I had Frankie winning.
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It's been a while but I remember 2 of the last 3 ends being close enough that BJ should've won at least 1 of them.

BTW I saw Frankie vs Tyson live. Tyson annoyed cuz he won a few dubious decisions but that fight with Frankie was god dam amazing. One of my favorites all time... what a fucking knee bar and the grit to not tap!
 
BowserJr said:
It's been a while but I remember 2 of the last 3 ends being close enough that BJ should've won at least 1 of them.

BTW I saw Frankie vs Tyson live. Tyson annoyed cuz he won a few dubious decisions but that fight with Frankie was god dam amazing. One of my favorites all time... what a fucking knee bar and the grit to not tap!
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That's usually my go to fight when I want someone to watch an MMA fight for the first time.
 
If Jesus wills it!!! Umar will come to Jesus. He needs to break free the abuse and narcisstic control his family has over him
 
JustOnce said:
i'm more thinking along the line of a fight where it's not against much, much inferior opponent. but i guess you could make an argument, but griffin doesn't fight like shogun, nor does serra like gsp for example.
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Forrest wasn't a much, much inferior opponent. Shogun just had the hype coming from Pride where fans insisted everyone was better. But now you're moving the goalposts by saying they have to be carbon copies stylistically.
 
i don't know, maybe it's me, but to me DDP vs Whittaker and Merab vs Umar did not seem like impossible fights to win for DDP or Merab. maybe to the fans opinions they thought it was, but on paper both fights should've favored the eventual winners in my opinion.
 
Cotmier vs Miocic 2, Cormier looked loke the better fighter but was fighting kinda sloppy IMO but then Miocic adjusted to the body shots and it gave him the win.
 
Okami vs Boetsch

Okami throve 2 rounds and mopped the floor with Boetsch, before being brutally stopped in the third by a rejuvenated Barbarian
 
He was also out Laid. Umar probably has two arab babymamas back home. While Merab is an incel . Lol who really won
 
He was also out Laid. Umar probably has two arab babymamas back home. While Merab is a try hard incel . Lol who really won
 
Tito Tapped said:
Forrest wasn't a much, much inferior opponent. Shogun just had the hype coming from Pride where fans insisted everyone was better. But now you're moving the goalposts by saying they have to be carbon copies stylistically.
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Well, maybe a much inferior opponent then? Shogun was arguably the goat LHW at that point before Jones.

I'm not trying to move no goalposts, you know, nor that they have to be carbon copies, but just that it's more about going up against a better version of yourself essentially, not that they are just way better period.

Shogun and Forrest are a little too different for that in my opinion.
 
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