Law Illegal migrant, gets probation for killing woman

[PainIsLIfe]

It's a minor. He was speeding. There was never an intent to harm anyone. Framing it as stealing when it was him taking his mother's car is the kind of misrepresentation that we should avoid. He, like kids all over world, drove their parent's car without permission.

In the vast majority of this country, that combination of circumstances does not result in jail time for minors.

That the minor in question was an illegal immigrant doesn't change the facts of this particular tragedy.

The kid that ran into wrecked my house was charged with stealing his mom's car.

It's really not unheard of.

And most kids that swipe the parents car don't end up killing someone.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

this is trumps america. he promised to deport all the illegals and has done a terribly shit reckless and haphazard job of it.

 

[oldshadow]

lol.

its considered theft IF the parents think its theft which no decent parent would obviously unless theres other circumstances. you already know this but their skin is brown and that changes everything.

No then it makes them responsible for what their kid does when they know he isn't allowed to drive the vehicle on public roads.

And the race card is pure bullshit from that's that's normal for you.

 

[Richmma80]

Fucking beat the shit out of him til he's paralyzed then deport him

Everyone dont give a shit because its not their wife/daughter/mother that was killed

 

[Deleted member 577981]

No then it makes them responsible for what their kid does when they know he isn't allowed to drive the vehicle on public roads.

And the race card is pure bullshit from that's that's normal for you.

what makes them responsible though? because YOU say so? or are we following the rule of law this time?

you are the one insisting it be called THEFT but that means the parents have to press charges. its not up to you if they do or dont and nobody would want that to be the law who has kids because kids do things like that.

how many coming of age movies do you think involve taking a parents car out for a joy ride?

i wonder what it is about this particular kid that has you so riled up man?

 

[oldshadow]

what makes them responsible though? because YOU say so? or are we following the rule of law this time?

you are the one insisting it be called THEFT but that means the parents have to press charges. its not up to you if they do or dont and nobody would want that to be the law who has kids because kids do things like that.

how many coming of age movies do you think involve taking a parents car out for a joy ride?

i wonder what it is about this particular kid that has you so riled up man?

So if parents say a juvenile didn't steal let's say their a gun and the kid killed someone they share no responsibility.

What riled me up is the total disregard for the victim and her family. Unlike you I'm not racist and don't bring that into this.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

So if parents say a juvenile didn't steal let's say their a gun and the kid killed someone they share no responsibility.

see how you have to change the argument from a car to a gun... because know dam well that taking a parents car out for a joy ride is right of passage for a whole lot of teens.

its theft if the PARENTS say its theft man. and nearly no parents... black, white, Mexican etc would do such a thing unless the kid had other serous problems or had done it multiple times.

you know all of this... but something about THIS kid just doesn't sit right with you.

 

[Stoic1]

15 year old Columbian migrant found dead with multiple gunshots. There were no witnesses but he was found with drugs so police suspect it was gang and/or drug related. The caliber weapon used was unusual as it was usually related to long range precision shooting and not 9mm ball ammunition often found in these kinds of shootings

A newspaper story in an alternate future.

 

[oldshadow]

So if parents say a juvenile didn't steal let's say their a gun and the kid killed someone they share no responsibility.

see how you have to change the argument from a car to a gun... because know dam well that taking a parents car out for a joy ride is right of passage for a whole lot of teens.

its theft if the PARENTS say its theft man. and nearly no parents... black, white, Mexican etc would do such a thing unless the kid had other serous problems or had done it multiple times.

you know all of this... but something about THIS kid just doesn't sit right with you.

The something is he wasn't just riding he was doing 90 in a 45vand killed someone.

But you as is your usual shit just have play the race card and refuse to see anything eles.

You know what that make you right.

Hell you have no idea of the kid is brown or white.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

The something is he wasn't just riding he was doing 90 in a 45vand killed someone.

But you as is your usual shit just have play the race card and refuse to see anything eles.

You know what that make you right.

Hell you have no idea of the kid is brown or white.

lol.


point is you are wrong here. its NOT theft and you don't get to just say its theft because it fits your narrative. him speeding does not make it theft man. its not theft. nearly no decent parent would charge their kid with theft under the same circumstances man.....

 

[panamaican]

Yes, taking your parents' car without their permission can be considered theft, specifically joyriding or unauthorized use of a vehicle. While the specific laws and penalties vary by state, the core element of taking a vehicle without the owner's consent is illegal in most jurisdictions.

Listen very carefully -- that does not mean that the kids are treated like they've stolen the car. They call the parents, the parents get to decide if they're going to press charges. They decide if their car was stolen, not the police.

Did you read your own links? Unauthorized use of a vehicle is distinct from theft.

Once again -- theft requires the perpetrator to have the intent to deprive the victim of their possession. This a really important legal concept and shows up in lots of criminal cases. If the perpetrator intended to return the item, such as a kid driving their parents car without permission but hoping to return it before the parents catch them, then it's not theft.

It might be a different crime but it's not theft.

 

[panamaican]

Oh... So the parents let the kid take the car with their knowledge and the kid killed someone.

Hold the parents criminally liable

Another comment that makes no sense. Parse your sentence --

The parents LET the kid take the care WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE.

Parents cannot let the kid do something without their knowledge. If they had no knowledge, they didn't let him do anything. If they let him do it then had to have knowledge.

If they didn't have knowledge, whether in the moment or from prior events, then they're not liable. This is common sense and regular legal basics everywhere. If a kid steals a candy bar, the parents aren't criminally liable unless they had an active role in said theft.

C'mon, we're adults, we should all know some of this by now.

 

[oldshadow]

Listen very carefully -- that does not mean that the kids are treated like they've stolen the car. They call the parents, the parents get to decide if they're going to press charges. They decide if their car was stolen, not the police.

Did you read your own links? Unauthorized use of a vehicle is distinct from theft.

Once again -- theft requires the perpetrator to have the intent to deprive the victim of their possession. This a really important legal concept and shows up in lots of criminal cases. If the perpetrator intended to return the item, such as a kid driving their parents car without permission but hoping to return it before the parents catch them, then it's not theft.

It might be a different crime but it's not theft.

OK whatever it's still a crime and he could be charged for it in addition to the other charges.

 

[method115]

That's a stiffer penalty than what the Kardashian got for killing a women. He was a full grown man at the time not some stupid teen.

The kid that ran into wrecked my house was charged with stealing his mom's car.

It's really not unheard of.

And most kids that swipe the parents car don't end up killing someone.

I wonder if the parents were advised to do that for legal\financial reasons though. Might not have been the parents initial choice to charge their son with that.

 

[Striderxdj]

Another example of what we already know the democrats left "progressives" don't give a fuck about the victims or their families.

Doesn't it get old repeatedly saying this same stupid bullsh*t easily disproven by the fact that literally 0 left leaning posters feel this way, for the 156,432 time?

What happened is a tragedy, full stop. Whatever your opinion on this may be based on the details alone without factoring in legal arguments, its fair to say they probably got off easy, regardless if they were a minor illegal migrant or a minor with full citizenship... but framing what was decided based off legal justifications and agreed upon by parties involved as "Progressives/ dems dont care about victims of crimes by illegal migrants" is next-level idiocy.

 

[Kingz]

Sickening and very on brand for democrats.

But something tells me this isn’t over


“KRISTI…”

“WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP?”

“….GET BUKELE ON THE PHONE”

 

[The XL]

The fact that he's illegal aside, it's an absolute disgrace that these laws are so lenient. They're essentially aiding and abetting murderers

 

[panamaican]

The kid that ran into wrecked my house was charged with stealing his mom's car.

It's really not unheard of.

And most kids that swipe the parents car don't end up killing someone.

Hence "in the vast majority of cases".

Here's how the law works: A death is tragic but it doesn't automatically outweigh all of the other facts involved in a case.

Yes, most kids that swipe their parents car don't end up killing someone. And most car accidents that result in someone dying don't include sending the other driver to jail.

And most minors don't get sent to prison unless they intentionally did the thing that they are in court for. Did the kid take his parent's car intending to kill or harm someone or was the death an unfortunate side effect of what he did intend to do, which is speed in his parent's car. Speeding was intentional, harm to a 3rd party was not. So, conviction for vehicular homicide makes sense. But probation makes sense because it's a minor who didn't intend to kill someone.

 

[panamaican]

OK whatever it's still a crime and he could be charged for it in addition to the other charges.

Convicted of vehicular homicide. You should be fine with this.

Stop the empty ranting. This is so beneath you. The kid was charged with vehicular homicide. He pled guilty. He will be on probation because he's a minor.

The rest of this is just you posturing. Be better.

 

[Rod1]

Not when someone dies.

No, but it means its not Felony manslaughter as @oldshadow implied.