Law Illegal migrant, gets probation for killing woman

[syct23]

The DA doesn't give a shit about the victim or her family. The family didn't support the deal.

Doesn’t matter if the families supported it.

The attorneys came to an agreement and the court agreed to it.. sounds to me like the immigrant had a good lawyer.

There are levels to this, what were his prior’s if any?

You can’t just throw the book at a misdemeanor.

 

[syct23]

He took his mother car without her permission which is why she can't be held accountable for any of this. When you take a car without permission that's theft and he should have been charged for that. They could have agreed to drop that charge and got a deal that includes at least some time.

That’s not how it works at all..

 

[oldshadow]

UHm, this is a dumb take. It was a high speed car crash involving a minor.

How often do we send anyone to jail when a car crash results in a fatality?

The usual exceptions are when the driver is already involved in actively committing another felony and states have felony murder statutes.

He stole the car drove it 90 in a 45 and killed a woman. All he got was a "promise me you will not do that again" and sent back to school.

That's not giving a fuck about the woman and her family.

 

[MMA IAN]

I'd be furious if that was my partner.

I have thought previously though, that if something happened to a family member, it would almost be preferable they were let out, because then you'd be able to access them.

 

[oldshadow]

That’s not how it works at all..

Yes it is if she let him drive the car then she could have been held accountable for her part in this. He didn't have a driver's license and took the car without her permission which is stealing it.

 

[lowlife]

He should have been given some jail time, what else is there to discuss here? This shit happens literally all the time in this country, usually it's the affluent/famous that get away with it.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Colorado reckless driving laws are super-lax, in general in America they are, i do think reckless driving should have stiffer penalties like DUI laws.

Something we can agree on.

Imo, speeding is a bigger problem than alcohol on the roads.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

How often do we send anyone to jail when a car crash results in a fatality?

Pretty much every time alcohol is involved.

 

[Darkballs]

He was doing 90 in a 45.

So call a representative in Colorado and ask them to change their sentencing guidelines.

We get the point of the thread. You wanted to find an example of democrats going easy on a immigrant, so you can push the idea that republicans violating the Constitution as a good thing. Problem was, is that once again you don't even understand the laws you were crying about.

This is why we ask trump supporters to limit themselves to one copy and paste job per day, until they can prove they actually read and THINK about the material they spam here.

 

[panamaican]

He stole the car drove it 90 in a 45 and killed a woman. All he got was a "promise me you will not do that again" and sent back to school.

That's not giving a fuck about the woman and her family.

It's a minor. He was speeding. There was never an intent to harm anyone. Framing it as stealing when it was him taking his mother's car is the kind of misrepresentation that we should avoid. He, like kids all over world, drove their parent's car without permission.

In the vast majority of this country, that combination of circumstances does not result in jail time for minors.

That the minor in question was an illegal immigrant doesn't change the facts of this particular tragedy.

 

[Cajun]

Doesn’t matter if the families supported it.

The authorities came to an agreement and the court agreed to it.. sounds to me like the immigrant had a good lawyer.

There are levels to this, what were his prior’s if any?

You can’t just throw the book at a misdemeanor.

You can depory him imo.... at minimum... what are we even debating.

 

[syct23]

Yes it is if she let him drive the car then she could have been held accountable for her part in this. He didn't have a driver's license and took the car without her permission which is stealing it.

Did the mother Choose to press charges against her son?

Many children that age take their parents vehicles without permission, Yes Wrong. But not all parents choose to press charges against their children for this act. That is up to the parents ant the courts to press charges.

This case is not setting any new legal precedent.

Just sounds like you don’t like the outcome.

 

[oldshadow]

So call a representative in Colorado and ask them to change their sentencing guidelines.

We get the point of the thread. You wanted to find an example of democrats going easy on a immigrant, so you can push the idea that republicans violating the Constitution as a good thing. Problem was, is that once again you don't even understand the laws you were crying about.

This is why we ask trump supporters to limit themselves to one copy and paste job per day, until they can prove they actually read and THINK about the material they spam here.

Wrong I was calling out shit like this long before Trump was elected.

 

[panamaican]

Pretty much every time alcohol is involved.

I didn't click through the underlying link - was this minor drunk? Because the initial read didn't say that. Because tragic as it is, probation for a minor is a pretty common sentencing outcome.

Why? Because probation allows them to finish going to school, maybe turn their lives around and keeps them in a better environment that prison.

Sending them to jail means that they're going to be forced into the worst possible life outcomes because spending their formative years in a prison environment without an education is a pretty good recipe for recidivism when they get out.

 

[syct23]

You can depory him imo.... at minimum... what are we even debating.

@oldshadow mad that the courts didn’t rule his way…

It’s a slow Friday..

 

[Darkballs]

Wrong I was calling out shit like this long before Trump was elected.

I know. You're lack of understanding the basics of how our legal system has been on display for years.

Here's how you can avoid looking like a dipshit in the future:
1) First, actually read the laws of the state you are talking about;
2) Check to see if the sentencing guidelines line up with those laws;
3) If they do, don't waste our time with a thread about it.

 

[Rod1]

He took his mother car without her permission which is why she can't be held accountable for any of this.

Ok, but that's not a crime.

When you take a car without permission that's theft and he should have been charged for that.

Sure, if the parent's report the theft, which they didn't.

They could have agreed to drop that charge and got a deal that includes at least some time.

You seem to be more mad at Colorado's lax laws when it comes to reckless driving than the immigration status of the teen in question.

 

[Cajun]

@oldshadow mad that the courts didn’t rule his way…

It’s a slow Friday..

It's messy because someone actually died because of a stupid teenager. Probation seems pretty weak for death. But either way he isn't supposed to be here so just bounce him imo

 

[Rod1]

Pretty much every time alcohol is involved.

But alcohol wasn't involved here, its a minor who took her mom's car and was speeding which resulted in a tragedy, laws are super-lax when it comes to speeding, treating it for the most part as a traffic violation.

If the kid was in the course of committing a felony or DUI then yeah, throw the book at him.

 

[oldshadow]

It's a minor. He was speeding. There was never an intent to harm anyone. Framing it as stealing when it was him taking his mother's car is the kind of misrepresentation that we should avoid. He, like kids all over world, drove their parent's car without permission.

In the vast majority of this country, that combination of circumstances does not result in jail time for minors.

That the minor in question was an illegal immigrant doesn't change the facts of this particular tragedy.

So why isn't she held accountable for leaving the keys where he could get them.

I thought you were in law. They ask the parents if they had permission to have the car in cases like this. If they say no its treated as stolen.

I know a case personally where a kid took their parents car drank a bit but not real drunk wrecked it and hurt someone. They ask if he had permission they said no and were told then he would be charged with stealing it along with the other charges. They worked out a deal where he got no time but was still sentenced to time but did some kind of work program and was on probation until 18 could not get a driver's license until 18 i think and other conditions. His parents insurance went out of site when it was done.