Crime California Issues CDL to illegal immigrant... Dude kills family of three performing illegal turn in a Semi Tractor Trailer

[SurferH2O]

Because they have no interest in such a job and I don't think they'd make such good drivers.

You know this, how?

 

[Tatra]

You know this, how?

Do you see them lining up to do that kind of work? Come on dude. They have no interest in it.

 

[Cajun]

Crazy how the trucking company has kind of slipped under the radar as an equally culpable party. Quick to blame the driver or the government who gave him the license. The owner of the company knows damn well what he's doing. Enjoy that insurance claim, shithead

The family should sue the company and the state

 

[SurferH2O]

Do you see them lining up to do that kind of work? Come on dude. They have no interest in it.

I do see them lining up. There are many kids who want to get out of a bad situation and don't see any hope. But, to learn to drive a rig, get to see the USA instead of their slums, make enough money to get their own place, and advance into heavy equipment operation is a great path and wide open for them. We are not asking them to go into fields and pick produce.

 

[Scerpi]

Quick google search shows this isn't crazy uncommon. Looks like you're even allowed to go to other states and take it if you keep failing it in one.

Kind of a joke tbh.

I've always felt that Commercial Truck drivers should be held to higher standards regarding traffic laws.

Like fines being tripled or jail time for breaking traffic laws.

One of Houston's major ports is North of me it's extremely busy on that highway with container trucks at times.

And there's a ton of those drivers who are complete dicks on the road. Not uncommon to have them completely up your ass if you're not driving fast enough.. which in Houston is like 20mph over the limit

Just a major accident with the potential for severe injuries or fatalities waiting to happen.

Interstate Drivers are usually much better. Higher pay and most are owner operators. Their trucks are their baby and their source of income. Not uncommon for one of their trucks to reach a million miles or more before having to replace it.

Intercity drivers are the leftovers and rejects. They drive company trucks and have almost zero skin the game if there's accident. And they get paid by the load.

Source - My X who works in trucking. They hire both. And it's night and day between the two types of truckers

 

[jimjamjammer]

Did he get his CDL in India or the US lol?

You're missing the point

 

[Loiosh]

Tapout noted,

I accepted your concession

This is typical of you and people as intellectually challenged as you.

Screech incoherently at someone, watch that someone walk away bored, claim victory.

Have you actually ever had an independent thought, or do you survive on social media bullshit?

 

[Fedor>Cain]

You're missing the point

You're point is that he's an immigrant.

My point is that the people who hand out CDL's should be tougher on all these stupid ass truck drivers.

Being immigrant doesn't have much to do with somebody getting stuck doing a U-turn like the one photo.

Being an immigrant doesn't have much of anything to do with getting a DUI while you're driving either.

So many truckers are straight up methamphetamine junkies just trying to stay awake while they're driving down the road.

 

[Scerpi]

Because they have no interest in such a job and I don't think they'd make such good drivers.

This is wrong. There's a lot of black drivers here in Houston. Pretty spread out between white, black and Hispanic. It's a good way to make a living if you hate being the office or field worker. You can earn a great living on the road if you eventually own your own truck.

There's zero difference from what I see. And see I a ton of container trucks from the Port

 

[ShadowRun]

I'm still waiting for his clarification as to why he thinks illegals on the road should even be a statistic....when they shouldn't even be here in the first place... I guess that won't happen.


By law, non citizens can only get a CDL if they are legally present in the US -- and have valid immigration documents -- you can look up the statute. Most states (generalizing) you got like 30 days to apply for a new one when moving (buddy went MN to ND multiple times)... So how the fuck does this keep happening?

Undocumented immigrants (ILLEGAL lol, stop the semantics bullshit) cannot legally obtain one -- any such cases involves deliberate FRAUD or ID THEFT... bribery... COMPLICIT INSIDERS.... which leads to .....

....The people issuing these need to be investigated and punished for putting these ass clowns on the road.

lol good luck , he wants to engage and start a conversation, runs away changes topics and the goalpost , then runs away and shit posts about it . Dude is a waste of time troll

 

[MetalMilitia]

This is typical of you and people as intellectually challenged as you.

Screech incoherently at someone, watch that someone walk away bored, claim victory.

Have you actually ever had an independent thought, or do you survive on social media bullshit?

I had one question for ya, which was would these deaths have happened if the illegal wasn't here illegally to kill them. If that's too blunt, or boring -- then move on I guess. Ya ran from the other thread on it, never answered... then stumbled back into here.... No one forcing ya.

 

[ShadowRun]

This is typical of you and people as intellectually challenged as you.

Screech incoherently at someone, watch that someone walk away bored, claim victory.

Have you actually ever had an independent thought, or do you survive on social media bullshit?

You’re the idiot that said yawn and bowed out. Just stop trying to be something you’re not

 

[ShadowRun]

I had one question for ya, which was would these deaths have happened if the illegal wasn't here illegally to kill them. If that's too blunt, or boring -- then move on I guess. Ya ran from the other thread on it, never answered... then stumbled back into here.... No one forcing ya.

Hopefully he just takes the L’s and leaves the thread , it’s embarrassing now

He won’t answer honestly, this confirms he’s a intellectual coward

 

[Scerpi]

You're point is that he's an immigrant.

My point is that the people who hand out CDL's should be tougher on all these stupid ass truck drivers.

Being immigrant doesn't have much to do with somebody getting stuck doing a U-turn like the one photo.

Being an immigrant doesn't have much of anything to do with getting a DUI while you're driving either.

So many truckers are straight up methamphetamine junkies just trying to stay awake while they're driving down the road.

The swap from paper logs to E-logs helped to curb this. Drivers used to fake their logs or keep two logs to show for checkpoints or being pulled over. As long as they didn't get into accident there was no way to know if they had fraudulent logs... and it was too late anyway. Then the trucking companies got sued into hell if the trucker had bad logs.

The E-logs changed that and forced their rest breaks... pissed a lot of drivers though. I think it was mandated in 2017 or 2018

The trucking companies now have ways of tracking them and verifying their E-log is active when pulling loads.

I don't know if intercity drivers have these logs though. I think it's Federally mandate for interstate.

 

[Loiosh]

You’re the idiot that said yawn and bowed out. Just stop trying to be something you’re not

You're the idiot who bored me.

 

[Loiosh]

I had one question for ya, which was would these deaths have happened if the illegal wasn't here illegally to kill them. If that's too blunt, or boring -- then move on I guess. Ya ran from the other thread on it, never answered... then stumbled back into here.... No one forcing ya.

It's a bad question.

You can't pick one incident and use it to pretend it represents a trend.

Let's say I ask the same question of an accident but this time the guy has legal status. If the answer is yes, does that mean no legal drivers permitted?

So let's take a step back. If they're illegal, process them and deport them. You don't need to say they're dangerous drivers.

 

[MetalMilitia]

It's a bad question.

You can't pick one incident and use it to pretend it represents a trend.

Let's say I ask the same question of an accident but this time the guy has legal status. If the answer is yes, does that mean no legal drivers permitted?

So let's take a step back. If they're illegal, process them and deport them. You don't need to say they're dangerous drivers.

Sure -- Then the issue isn’t “one bad driver" -- it’s a fuckin' a broken system that allowed it to happen at all.

The real fuckin' concern isn’t that one illegal driver caused a crash -- it’s that the system failed to prevent someone ILLEGAL from LEGALLY operating an 80k pound vehicle. -- I guess the follow up question is, why are you defending specifically their "safety" when it comes to driving in this country -- when they both shouldn't be in the country or driving under ANY hypothetical? -- At the very fuckin least, a CDL is built on trust and verified status -- when that process fails once -- it literally puts everyone else on the roads in danger....

...so we need to get to that root causes. The very root of this is that the person shouldn't exist to be (here), so therefore the whole scenario top to bottom wouldn't exist. You can't just cherry pick "safe driver" / "not safe driver" -- and secondly -- getting the CDL itself... massive oversight -- but if you really wanna just keep playing the what if thing, then I don't know how to respond. I'm stating bluntly, this WOULDNT have happened and SHOULDNT have happened under CURRENT law....

...Fixing a single fuckin' loophole now prevents dozens of similar tragedies later -- I think we all on the same page with that -- but saying “just deport them” (before) or after the fact doesn’t address what could have been preventable -- and we must not take action to hold those responsible.

I think we can all agree loosely on that? I ain't out here to demonize individuals -- it’s demanding competence from the system that’s supposed to vet them -- which has failed fucking MISERABLY as both this thread -- and the other have blatantly pointed out.

2 instances that completely should NOT have happened, but did.

 

[Loiosh]

Sure -- Then the issue isn’t “one bad driver" -- it’s a fuckin' a broken system that allowed it to happen at all.

The real fuckin' concern isn’t that one illegal driver caused a crash -- it’s that the system failed to prevent someone ILLEGAL from LEGALLY operating an 80k pound vehicle. -- I guess the follow up question is, why are you defending specifically their "safety" when it comes to driving in this country -- when they both shouldn't be in the country or driving under ANY hypothetical? -- At the very fuckin least, a CDL is built on trust and verified status -- when that process fails once -- it literally puts everyone else on the roads in danger....

...so we need to get to that root causes. The very root of this is that the person shouldn't exist to be (here), so therefore the whole scenario top to bottom wouldn't exist. You can't just cherry pick "safe driver" / "not safe driver" -- and secondly -- getting the CDL itself... massive oversight -- but if you really wanna just keep playing the what if thing, then I don't know how to respond. I'm stating bluntly, this WOULDNT have happened and SHOULDNT have happened under CURRENT law....

...Fixing a single fuckin' loophole now prevents dozens of similar tragedies later -- I think we all on the same page with that -- but saying “just deport them” (before) or after the fact doesn’t address what could have been preventable -- and we must not take action to hold those responsible.

I think we can all agree loosely on that? I ain't out here to demonize individuals -- it’s demanding competence from the system that’s supposed to vet them -- which has failed fucking MISERABLY as both this thread -- and the other have blatantly pointed out.

2 instances that completely should NOT have happened, but did.

OK, that's fair, but that already shouldn't be happening, correct?

Surely this guy's certification can be traced to illustrate how the system failed? Or WHO failed?

 

[MetalMilitia]

OK, that's fair, but that already shouldn't be happening, correct?

Surely this guy's certification can be traced to illustrate how the system failed? Or WHO failed?

I'm bouncing between both threads heh, but the response to Newsom and futher posts across the other thread explain it -- I did just ask for a merger, cause the underlying problems are systemic -- regardless of just immigration, or state, or CDL issuance -- there's a massive, MASSIVE series of red flags that all tie in toegether top to bottom.

 

[lifelessheap]

My brother in law got his CDL. He had to go to a school and it cost 50,000 dollars. It was a fairly big deal. How the hell can non English speakers get licensed?