California Athletic Commission was about to vote to support the removal of Ali Act and use UFC model in boxing - reversed due to public opposition

[El Fernas]

Does this mean "Zuffa Boxing" is shelved (again) until they get away with Ali Act?

According to Tapology, Canelo vs Crawford and two other related "cards" are promoted by Zuffa Boxing, the main card on saturday is also co-promoted by TKO Boxing, i guess they might continue to promote cards even if they have to play by the Ali Act rules.

 

[acannxr]

Just prior to the calls, a commissioner says he's ready to vote in favour of the motion to support the new legislation, based on the evidence presented to them by Andy Foster (CSAC executive director and former pro fighter), who seems like a TKO shill.

The drug test results for UFC 145 (Jones vs. Evans) in Georgia were never released to the public; Andy Foster was Georgia's commission director at that time.

Foster also tried to argue Jones' innocence throughout 2018 for his failed drug tests; USADA was later exposed by WADA for allowing athletes to continue using PEDs if they snitched (which Jones did in 2018).

"Shill" is an understatement when describing Foster.

 

[Hymen Crusher]

Someone will grease the wheels. Turki will send these people a gift basket and they will forget all about there reservations. Their ethics will all of a sudden be out the window in a couple months.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Statistics like that are meaningless because most of the pay is being earned by a small percentage of people.

The focus needs to be on what the lowest and mid card guys are earning. Who gives a shit how much the stars make.

That makes the argument even worse though, doesn't it?

"Sure, the revenue paid out is extremely low, but most of that already low pay is only going to a few people, leaving a miniscule amount for the rest."

Why are you comparing the UFC's revenue split to team sports?

Why not compare the UFC's revenue split to individual sports, like tennis?

Tennis is comparatively low. Golf varies greatly year to year, but an analysis of 2016 put it at something like 33%. Don't know the actual percentage, but pro bowlers tend to be pretty complimentary about their pay. It's not huge since the sport isn't making nearly as much as the others, but prizes have been a pretty steady increase

 

[Alpha_T83]

Someone will grease the wheels. Turki will send these people a gift basket and they will forget all about there reservations. Their ethics will all of a sudden be out the window in a couple months.

Nah, the Ali Act is Federal Statutory Law, because it was passed by Congress. The only way to overturn it legally is to get Congress to vote to do so -- and there is no where near enough support in Congress. The CSAC was just cheerleading the proposal here, and their vote would have been nothing more than an urge to Congress to consider Dana White's proposal.

The CSAC won't do that anymore IMO, following public backlash.

Dana's only hope now is that the Supreme Court gives Trump unlimited executive power with no limits on his executive orders, beyond stipulating that Congress can vote to overrule any order Trump gives. That would mean Trump could then issue an executive order to gut the Ali Act, so long as Congress didn't actively vote to block him.

 

[randomg1t]

Nah, the Ali Act is Federal Statutory Law, because it was passed by Congress. The only way to overturn it legally is to get Congress to vote to do so -- and there is no where near enough support in Congress. The CSAC was just cheerleading the proposal here, and their vote would have been nothing more than an urge to Congress to consider Dana White's proposal.

The CSAC won't do that anymore IMO, following public backlash.

Dana's only hope now is that the Supreme Court gives Trump unlimited executive power with no limits on his executive orders, beyond stipulating that Congress can vote to overrule any order Trump gives. That would mean Trump could then issue an executive order to gut the Ali Act, so long as Congress didn't actively vote to block him.

or trump could ask congress to gut it.

it may not have the support now, but so far congress hasn't stood up to trump on anything he's asked them to do. once he puts pressure on them, they'll do as they're told.

they have at least until late 2026 to do this. they're not in a rush.

 

[Dr Fong]

UFC pays less than 20% of revenue to the athletes.

really rising the tides there.

Please stop using the 20% figure that everyone else does when criticizing the UFC.

It is far closer to 10% and will only get pushed lower by the Paramount deal.

 

[method115]

and fans alike.

I think the model is great for fans, horrible for the fighters.

 

[shunyata]

Just the man trying to gut labor rights again and again.

 

[Alpha_T83]

or trump could ask congress to gut it.

it may not have the support now, but so far congress hasn't stood up to trump on anything he's asked them to do. once he puts pressure on them, they'll do as they're told.

they have at least until late 2026 to do this. they're not in a rush.

Trump will never get congress to vote to gut it. There's nowhere near enough support. Dana White's bill would fail with a supermajority against it in Congress.

If this does get forced through, it will be via Executive Order.

 

[Tweak896]

Can't wait for mma to turn into boxing, will be a much better place when Conor makes 100M per fight

 

[randomg1t]

Trump will never get congress to vote to gut it. There's nowhere near enough support. Dana White's bill would fail with a supermajority against it in Congress.

If this does get forced through, it will be via Executive Order.

i wish i had your optimism.

 

[Alpha_T83]

i wish i had your optimism.

It's not optimism, more of an understanding of how US Congressional politics work.

It's sort of the same as geopolitics: quid pro quo. You scratch my back, I scratch yours. Trump could get Congress to vote Dana White's Ali Act through, but he would need to make concessions and agree to something the Congressional Republicans want (which right now, the #1 issue is more sanctions on Russia and more military aid for Ukraine, supported by over 50% of Congressional republicans and most democrats).

This is the same reason Trump isn't cooperating with the EU: He doesn't want to raise a finger to hurt his buddy Putin. So for that reason, I don't think Congress will ever agree to pass Dana White's bill.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

-The Ali Act was brought in to prevent the practices of promoters like Don King or UFC

Dana White is the white version of Don King.

 

[FlowchartRog]

According to Tapology, Canelo vs Crawford and two other related "cards" are promoted by Zuffa Boxing, the main card on saturday is also co-promoted by TKO Boxing, i guess they might continue to promote cards even if they have to play by the Ali Act rules.

Yep. Just means Dana has to play by boxing rules. Of course he doesn't want to, but evidently he has to.

 

[burningspear]

its doomed to failure anyway, boxing fans always boo the greedy cunt, who tf will sign

 

[wolffanghameha]

its doomed to failure anyway, boxing fans always boo the greedy cunt, who tf will sign

With Saudi money, plus UFC money, they could pay lots to get some big names on board and use that to start locking most of the top boxers into contracts, making other promotions start to struggle to sign anyone because they're all already with TKO.

 

[Söze Aldo]

Trump will likely do whatever Dana asks of him regarding boxing or MMA; he will take Dana's word on either of those 2 sports 100%. It will find a way.

 

[jeskola]

update: this week, the CSAC voted 6-0 in favor of this. 11 former UFC fighters spoke out in opposition of this. FOrrest Griffin, Nick Khan, Chris Leben, and others spoke out in favor. Khan claims this will lead to increased pay for the boxers.

 

[don't ask]

update: this week, the CSAC voted 6-0 in favor of this. 11 former UFC fighters spoke out in opposition of this. FOrrest Griffin, Nick Khan, Chris Leben, and others spoke out in favor. Khan claims this will lead to increased pay for the boxers.

I can't tell. They voted in favor of gutting the Muhammad Ali act or in favor of preserving it?