Law Illegal migrant, gets probation for killing woman

[oldshadow]

Doesn’t matter if the families supported it.

The attorneys came to an agreement and the court agreed to it.. sounds to me like the immigrant had a good lawyer.

There are levels to this, what were his prior’s if any?

You can’t just throw the book at a misdemeanor.

He killed someone.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

I am not going to argue with the fact a minor got a slap on the wrist for manslaughter, but the better arguement is why hasn't the minor been deported to CECOT yet if he is indeed an illegal alien?

 

[oldshadow]

Ok, but that's not a crime.


Sure, if the parent's report the theft, which they didn't.


You seem to be more mad at Colorado's lax laws when it comes to reckless driving than the immigration status of the teen in question.

I'm mad at a DA that didn't give a fuck about the victim or her family.

You can argue that if he wasn't here ileagly this would not have happened but I'm not going there.

What should happen is he get deported right now.

 

[syct23]

It's messy because someone actually died because of a stupid teenager. Probation seems pretty weak for death. But either way he isn't supposed to be here so just bounce him imo

As long as he received he due process, sure get em out of here… no fucks given

 

[syct23]

He killed someone.

Yeah I know,

I responded to that.

 

[oldshadow]

I know. You're lack of understanding the basics of how our legal system has been on display for years.

Here's how you can avoid looking like a dipshit in the future:
1) First, actually read the laws of the state you are talking about;
2) Check to see if the sentencing guidelines line up with those laws;
3) If they do, don't waste our time with a thread about it.

They could have sent him to juvenile detention which is a fact in that state is possible for this the DA didn't want to.

As normal you are full of shit.

 

[Scheme]

We need to re-evaluate punishments for serious crimes when it comes to people below 18. Killing someone and getting community service is simply unacceptable. I remember when I was 15. I could do advanced calculus. Our brains are developed well enough to know that stealing a car and going 90 in a 45 is unacceptable, and I refuse to even converse with anyone who suggests otherwise. With gang members recruiting younger and younger it's clear that the current system is completely broken.

I don't care about small or petty crimes, or even things like battery with no serious bodily injury.

The fact that he was here illegally is just extra spit in the faces of law-abiding Americans and legal immigrants.

 

[oldshadow]

Yeah I know,

I responded to that.

So the DA and some people here don't give a shit about that or the family and justice for them.

 

[Darkballs]

They could have sent him to juvenile detention which is a fact in that state the DA didn't want to.

As normal you are full of shit.

Nowhere in the sentencing guidelines does it require that.

Making shit up as you go along isn't working for you boy. Just like "Why didn't they arrest the mom for leaving the keys out!" The answer is, because that's not how the law works.

We have now entered the awkward part of the thread; where the trump supporter who's been caught not reading the article he posted is left scrambling while the rest of us cringe.

 

[Scheme]

So the DA and some people here don't give a shit about that or the family and justice for them.

They simply don't care until it happens to them or someone they care about. Until then they generally lack empathy for the victims (you know, the people you should reserve empathy for) and spend all their empathy on the criminals.

My only wish is that the people who advocate for criminals are the ones who are brutalized by the same criminals they evangelize. Unfortunately, the people who advocate for this stuff generally live in gated, secure and safe areas, removed from any sort of consequence from their actions.

 

[syct23]

We need to re-evaluate punishments for serious crimes when it comes to people below 18. Killing someone and getting community service is simply unacceptable. I remember when I was 15. I could do advanced calculus. Our brains are developed well enough to know that stealing a car and going 90 in a 45 is unacceptable, and I refuse to even converse with anyone who suggests otherwise. With gang members recruiting younger and younger it's clear that the current system is completely broken.

I don't care about small or petty crimes, or even things like battery with no serious bodily injury.

The fact that he was here illegally is just extra spit in the faces of law-abiding Americans and legal immigrants.

It should probably be dropped to 13 now days but you need to start somewhere, 15 I wouldn’t have a problem with..

 

[panamaican]

So why isn't she held accountable for leaving the keys where he could get them.

I thought you were in law. They ask the parents if they had permission to have the car in cases like this. If they say no its treated as stolen.

I know a case personally where a kid took their parents car drank a bit but not real drunk wrecked it and hurt someone. They ask if he had permission they said no and were told then he would be charged with stealing it along with the other charges. They worked out a deal where he got no time but was still sentenced to time but did some kind of work program and was on probation until 18 could not get a driver's license until 18 i think and other conditions. His parents insurance went out of site when it was done.

In all seriousness, are you just making up rules to justify how you feel emotionally?

I'm in the law which why I know you're just throwing shit at the wall hoping something sticks, lol.

1) When kids are caught joyriding their parents car, they ask the parents if they want to press charges. If the parents say no, it is not treated as stolen. Because for the item to be stolen, the thief has to intend to deprive the owner of the item. And most kids aren't intending to deprive their parents of the family vehicle permanently.

As for "I know a case....", spare me the random anecdotes. We live in a nation of laws. There are random anecdotes for every potential story. But even then your anecdote doesn't have any jail time...so what is the point.

 

[oldshadow]

Nowhere in the sentencing guidelines does it require that.

Making shit up as you go along isn't working for you boy. Just like "Why didn't they arrest the mom for leaving the keys out!" The answer is, because that's not how the law works.

We have now entered the awkward part of the thread; where the trump supporter who's been caught not reading the article he posted is left scrambling while the rest of us cringe.

I never said it required it. They can make any deal they want and the family has no say in it.

That doesn't mean its any justice for the victim and the family.

 

[syct23]

In all seriousness, are you just making up rules to justify how you feel emotionally?

I'm in the law which why I know you're just throwing shit at the wall hoping something sticks, lol.

1) When kids are caught joyriding their parents car, they ask the parents if they want to press charges. If the parents say no, it is not treated as stolen. Because for the item to be stolen, the thief has to intend to deprive the owner of the item. And most kids aren't intending to deprive their parents of the family vehicle permanently.

As for "I know a case....", spare me the random anecdotes. We live in a nation of laws. There are random anecdotes for every potential story. But even then your anecdote doesn't have any jail time...so what is the point.

I’m literally sitting in my office eating lunch, waiting to begin the second half of our court docket for the day..

This shit is lols and helps to pass the time.

 

[oldshadow]

In all seriousness, are you just making up rules to justify how you feel emotionally?

I'm in the law which why I know you're just throwing shit at the wall hoping something sticks, lol.

1) When kids are caught joyriding their parents car, they ask the parents if they want to press charges. If the parents say no, it is not treated as stolen. Because for the item to be stolen, the thief has to intend to deprive the owner of the item. And most kids aren't intending to deprive their parents of the family vehicle permanently.

As for "I know a case....", spare me the random anecdotes. We live in a nation of laws. There are random anecdotes for every potential story. But even then your anecdote doesn't have any jail time...so what is the point.

Yes, taking your parents' car without their permission can be considered theft, specifically joyriding or unauthorized use of a vehicle. While the specific laws and penalties vary by state, the core element of taking a vehicle without the owner's consent is illegal in most jurisdictions.

 

[Scerpi]

I am not going to argue with the fact a minor got a slap on the wrist for manslaughter, but the better arguement is why hasn't the minor been deported to CECOT yet if he is indeed an illegal alien?

Exactly... ICE should just come in and send him back if he's not going to do any time for killing someone while recklessly driving.

 

[Scerpi]

In all seriousness, are you just making up rules to justify how you feel emotionally?

I'm in the law which why I know you're just throwing shit at the wall hoping something sticks, lol.

1) When kids are caught joyriding their parents car, they ask the parents if they want to press charges. If the parents say no, it is not treated as stolen. Because for the item to be stolen, the thief has to intend to deprive the owner of the item. And most kids aren't intending to deprive their parents of the family vehicle permanently.

As for "I know a case....", spare me the random anecdotes. We live in a nation of laws. There are random anecdotes for every potential story. But even then your anecdote doesn't have any jail time...so what is the point.

Oh... So the parents let the kid take the car with their knowledge and the kid killed someone.

Hold the parents criminally liable

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Has nothing to do with them being an immigrant, they just happen to be 15yo and that is as much as they can legally apply..

Sounds like more of a problem with the judicial system of that state needing to be amended..

Nope. My ex's brother was supposed to stay in juvenile detention until 21, but was released early at 18 - provided he left the state to live with his mom.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Reckless driving is a misdemeanor.

Not when someone dies.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Yes, taking your parents' car without their permission can be considered theft, specifically joyriding or unauthorized use of a vehicle. While the specific laws and penalties vary by state, the core element of taking a vehicle without the owner's consent is illegal in most jurisdictions.

lol.

its considered theft IF the parents think its theft which no decent parent would obviously unless theres other circumstances. you already know this but their skin is brown and that changes everything.