Social ICE/deportation protests and riots megathread

SKYNET said:
Way ahead of you, I've personally avoided doing business with WalMart for several years now.
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Cool. I don't shop at Walmart either. Doesn't stop me from condemning the POTUS actions or attending NOKINGSDAY.

SKYNET said:
Now get back on your knees and continue being a useful idiot for the Pritzker and Walton families
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Yes yes. Trump protesters across the country are useful idiots. NOKINGSDAY means not being the knee to a dictator.

Nobody is disputing Christy Walton is wealthy. Millions of impoverished and marginalized Americans would have gladly published that same full page ad but they don't have the money to do so. I'm not sure what the outrage is here.
 
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Rational Poster said:
Yeah but like, what's the fucking point? Both situations suck for a Marine for different reasons.

You're being pedantic as hell. lmao

Why deliberating put them into the situation to begin with when it's obviously not even necessary?
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I'm making a simple point (more stress vs less stress) even a bot like yourself cant refute.

@GreatSaintGuillotine wants to defend his pov against my pov via semantic arguments and appeals to authority instead of conceding that a random US civilian like myself has enough sense to acknowledge a variance in degrees of stress in one scenario vs the other.

There is an underlying theme of shifting the focus around by means of downplaying and/or overplaying the circumstances to fit the narratives being pushed by msm and the general leftwing pov that I am attacking, which may be why you were triggered enough to engage with me in the first place.
 
LeonardoBjj said:

Troops and marines deeply troubled by LA deployment: ‘Morale is not great’​


Several service members told advocacy groups they felt like pawns in a political game and assignment was unnecessary

California national guards troops and marines deployed to Los Angeles to help restore order after days of protest against the Trump administration have told friends and family members they are deeply unhappy about the assignment and worry their only meaningful role will be as pawns in a political battle they do not want to join.

Three different advocacy organisations representing military families said they had heard from dozens of affected service members who expressed discomfort about being drawn into a domestic policing operation outside their normal field of operations. The groups said they have heard no countervailing opinions.

“The sentiment across the board right now is that deploying military force against our own communities isn’t the kind of national security we signed up for,” said Sarah Streyder of the Secure Families Initiative, which represents the interests of military spouses, children and veterans.

“Families are scared not just for their loved ones’ safety, although that’s a big concern, but also for what their service is being used to justify.”

Chris Purdy of the Chamberlain Network, whose stated mission is to “mobilize and empower veterans to protect democracy”, said he had heard similar things from half a dozen national guard members. “Morale is not great, is the quote I keep hearing,” he said.

The marines and the California national guard did not respond to invitations to comment.


Trump has taken the unusual step of ordering 4,000 national guard members to Los Angeles without the consent of California’s governor, Gavin Newsom, saying that the city risked being “obliterated” by violent protesters without them. Earlier this week, he also activated 700 marines from the Twentynine Palms base two hours’ drive to the east, describing Los Angeles as a “trash heap” that was in danger of burning to the ground.

In reality, the anti-Trump protests – called first in response to aggressive federal roundups of undocumented immigrants, then in anger at the national guard deployment – have been largely peaceful and restricted to just a few blocks around downtown federal buildings. The Los Angeles police has made hundreds of arrests in response to acts of violence and vandalism around the protests, and the city’s mayor, Karen Bass, has instituted a night-time curfew – all with minimal input from the federal authorities.

At the largest demonstration since Trump first intervened, last Sunday, the national guard was hemmed into a staging area by Los Angeles police cruisers and played almost no role in crowd control. Since then, its service members have been deployed to guard buildings and federal law enforcement convoys conducting immigration sweeps. The marines, who arrived on Wednesday, are expected to play a similar function, with no powers of arrest.


Newsom has described the deployment as “a provocation, not just an escalation” and accused the White House of mistreating the service members it was activating. A widely circulated photograph, later confirmed as authentic by the Pentagon, showed national guard members sleeping on a concrete loading dock floor without bedding, and the San Francisco Chronicle reported that the troops arrived with no lodging, insufficient portable toilets and no funds for food or water.

A pair of YouGov polls published on Tuesday show public disapproval of both the national guard and marines deployments, as well as disapproval of Trump’s immigrant deportation policies. A Washington Post poll published on Wednesday came up with similar findings, but with slightly narrower margins.

Active service members are prohibited by law from speaking publicly about their work. But Streyder, of the Secure Families Initiative, said she had heard dozens of complaints indirectly through their families. She had also seen a written comment passed along to her organization from a national guard member who described the assignment as “shitty” – particularly compared with early secondments to help with wildfire relief or, during the Covid pandemic, vaccination outreach.

“Both of those experiences were uncomplicatedly positive, a contribution back to the community,” Streyder described the message as saying. “This is quite the opposite.”

According to Janessa Goldbeck, a Marine Corps veteran who runs the Vet Voice Foundation, the feeling was similar among some of the troops being sent from Twentynine Palms.

“Among all that I spoke with, the feeling was that the marines are being used as political pawns, and it strains the perception that marines are apolitical,” Goldbeck said. “Some were concerned that the Marines were being set up for failure. The overall perception was that the situation was nowhere at the level where marines were necessary.”

The advocates said it was important to draw a distinction between the personal political preferences of service members, many if not most of whom voted for Trump last November, and the higher principle that military personnel should not get involved in politics or politically motivated missions that blur lines of responsibility with civilian agencies.


“We tend to be uniquely apolitical, as an institution and with each other,” Streyder said. “The military is a tool that should be used as a last resort, not a first response… It does not feel that the tool is being calibrated accurately to the situation.”

The discontent may not be limited to California. In Texas, where the governor, Greg Abbott, called out the national guard on Wednesday in San Antonio, Austin and other cities expecting anti-Trump protests, guardsmen have a history of feeling poorly treated in the workplace if not outright misused, Purdy of the Chamberlain Network said.

After Abbott requisitioned the guard in 2021 to help police the Mexican border – a controversial policy codenamed Operation Lone Star – there were bitter complaints among guard members about the length and nature of an assignment that largely duplicated the work of the federal Border Patrol. Several guardsmen took their own lives.

The LA operations are also sparking safety concerns because of complications inherent in pairing military and domestic police officers, advocates say, since they are trained very differently and use different vocabulary to handle emergency situations. In one infamous episode during the 1992 Los Angeles riots – the last time the military were called out to restore order in southern California – a police officer on patrol turned to his marines counterparts and said “cover me”, meaning be ready with your weapon to make sure I stay safe.

To the marines, though, “cover me” meant open fire immediately, which they did, unloading more than 200 M16 rounds into a house where the police had a tip about a possible domestic abuser. By sheer luck, nobody was hurt.

CJ Chivers, a New York Times reporter who was with the marines in Los Angeles in 1992 and witnessed the tail-end of this near-calamity, wrote years later of his mixed feelings about the assignment: “The Marines’ presence in greater Los Angeles… felt unnecessary,” he said. “I’d like to say we understood the context of the role we were given … But domestic crowd control had never been our specialty.”

Streyder and the other advocates concurred. “Domestic law enforcement and the military are entirely separate functions, manned by separate people who have been given separate training, who come from different cultures,” Streyder said. “As military families, we rely implicitly on that separation being honored and remaining clear.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/12/los-angeles-national-guard-troops-marines-morale

- Horrible sentiment. It's like becoming a first responder to help people and live adventures, in the end politicians use you to destroy homeless people tends!:(
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Thanks Trump!
 
ShadowRun said:
So lefty idiots going to protest the same day the military is being celebrated . Brilliant the public will love it.
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Does anyone actually think we're celebrating the military and not just having a birthday bash for Trump?
 
All this over an 80/20 issue lol

It’s either they are totally controlled by their desire to make spectacles of themselves or they are simply playing the wrong long game

One thing I’ll never concede is that the democrats actually give a fuck about regular people, however.

 
SKYNET said:
Not actually my claim (never said it has NO effect) but I will grant you that and ask you to justify the high numbers of PTSD from US armed forces combat veterans. You know, that part you seem to want to avoid?
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You keep trying to detract from the topic by bringing up combat. At no point in my original post was that mention, nor was the level of stress mentioned. In fact, it was made clear to you in every post that followed that I made no attempt to even quantify the level of stress. Yet you're sitting here demanding counters to baseless claims you are making.

Combat veterans have high levels of PTSD because they are exposed to extreme stress continously. But non combative vets are also at risk of developing it because, surprise surprise, combat isn't the only source of intense stress in the military. One of my Instructors in MOS school has PTSD from seeing a Marine get turned to salsa during a maintaining accident. I doubt he particularly cares if combat is more stressful, he still has to deal with the trauma.

Any profession where you are exposed to high levels if stress and violence will leave you at risk of developing PTSD. That's why police officers are also high risk for it.

SKYNET said:
"Potentially violent" = not as stressful as facing a trained enemy whose main protocol is to use actual violence to end your life, was my point
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Every deployment is potentially violent. You can deploy to a combat zone and experience no violence. I know many Marines who deployed to the middle east several time and did nothing but kick up sand. Same with these protests. The marines could just sit around and not get involved or they can be forced to engage American citizens with force.

This is explicitly why I did not make any comparisons. There are too many variables to compare the situation. Not every war time vet saw combat. Not every one that saw combat in traumatized. Stress operates at an individual level. You cant make sweeping comparisons. It will always vary person to person.

SKYNET said:
It should be easy for you to debunk my actual claim (more stress vs less stress) instead of focusing on semantics or wanting to draw a similar comparison between being at home facing potentially violent scenarios against unruly civilians armed with stones and m80's vs being on a foreign land, facing actual violence, against an army with a singular goal to end your life.
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Youve literally done nothing but argue semantics and divert the conversation the entire time.

I would go to combat against a foreign enemy over attacking my own people. Any day of the week. I trained to go out and fight in unfamiliar lands and know what needs to be done. That's part of being a Marine. What is going on in LA is not. We have no place there and I sincerely hope we are not forced to engage with civilians.
 
AmonTobin said:
Millions of impoverished and marginalized Americans would have gladly published that full page ad but they don't have the money to do so. I'm not sure what the outrage is here.
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Surrrrre. The saintly Walton family cares so much about the cheap labor... erm immigrants.

You are doing the bidding of your oligarch masters the Waltons and The Pritzkers, very well.

At least you are not hiding your kneepads here. Carry on with your useful self.

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