Social ICE/deportation protests and riots megathread

[F1980]

There's talk of the disappointment of the lack of black people protesting along with Mexicans and only show up to loot the stores, making the protests look even worse.

 

[Aurelian]

Now you guys are playing fast and loose with your terms. You originally asked me about moderates, not centrists. A moderate is not necessarily a centrist, you can be a right or left leaning moderate and you can be a centrist who has radical views.

Somehow he was able to link those posts, why couldn't you? And why did you take my posts out of context? Isn't that kind of a scummy thing to do? If it was an error don't you think you should apologize?

I will apologize if it makes you feel better. So I'm sorry.

However I feel like you could have just made this statement here and been done with it.

My gripe has always been against what I call faux-centrists, people who claim to be centrist while advocating for staunchly right wing views who hide behind a few perfunctory left leaning takes that they don't really care much about. These people then criticize anyone to the left of them as too extreme by appealing to the fact that they as centrists are the arbiters of who is and isn't extreme.

 

[Osculater]

There's talk of the disappointment of the lack of black people protesting along with Mexicans and only show up to loot the stores, making the protests look even worse.

Air Jordans ain't cheap

 

[Islam Imamate]

I will apologize if it makes you feel better. So I'm sorry.

I don't want you to apologize if its not sincere. Its not about my feelings, its about taking responsibility for misrepresenting others.

However I feel like you could have just made this statement here and been done with it.

My gripe has always been against what I call faux-centrists, people who claim to be centrist while advocating for staunchly right wing views who hide behind a few perfunctory left leaning takes that they don't really care much about. These people then criticize anyone to the left of them as too extreme by appealing to the fact that they as centrists are the arbiters of who is and isn't extreme.

Its not as if you tagged me to ask my opinion in good faith. You tagged me as an example of someone hostile to moderates and then got annoyed when I wouldn't agree with your characterization and asked you to substantiate it, as if I was being dishonest to do so.

I'm really not going to spend extended time going through your search history to prove to you what you and I both know you think about moderates. It's fine though.

Fair. I was hesitant on asking you to own up to your beliefs, but I thought you'd have enough integrity to do so.

If you're going to misrepresent me and then insinuate that I lack integrity because I disagree with that misrepresentation don't expect that I'm going to just politely correct the record and move on, I'm going to call out your dishonesty.

 

[Confucamus]

Just lol at people protesting to keep bad hombres like this in America. Hopefully this is only the start of these criminals facing severe charges for the mayhem they've caused.

Illegal alien charged with attempted murder for throwing Molotov cocktail at officers in LA riots: DHS

Emiliano Garduno-Galvez, a previously deported illegal immigrant with a prior criminal record, arrested by ICE after allegedly attacking officers with a Molotov cocktail during Los Angeles riots.

www.foxnews.com

llegal alien charged with attempted murder for throwing Molotov cocktail at officers in LA riots: DHS​

Adios, pendejo.

 

[Luthien]

This Saturday is going to get crazy.

 

[b34stmode]

There's talk of the disappointment of the lack of black people protesting along with Mexicans and only show up to loot the stores, making the protests look even worse.

I'm not sure whats worse. African Americans looting stores during these protest. Or Republicans trying to act as if its "illegal immigrants" looting these stores, on top of burning cars and throwing bricks at cops, while waving Mexican flags. When the reality is 99.9% of illegal immigrants will be nowhere near any of these protest out of fear of being deported.

 

[b34stmode]

This Saturday is going to get crazy.

Why? Maybe in different parts of the Country. I don't think shit is going to happen in LA. They have had a week to do "crazy shit" and thankfully the violent retards haven't done anything too crazy. Craziest thing I saw was some dude in a van get mad at protestors and try to run them over, and then a helicopter followed him for 5 minutes while he drove absolutely bat shit crazy almost hitting multiple people. Was such a bizzarre moment. Anyone else see it? .



But The LE have also had a week to prepare for it, so I don't see anything crazy happening. Maybe in TX or NY.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Nope. This happened in 1988 (an election year), when Democrats had the majority in the Senate. We took up the nomination of Anthony Kennedy, and Kennedy was confirmed 97-0. Not a single Dem voted against him.

So no, the Republican Party is uniquely terrible in this regard. They also went nuclear in SCOTUS to get a pick confirmed (Gorsuch), which we’ve also never done.

Modern democrats would consider 88 democrats far right.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Nope. This happened in 1988 (an election year), when Democrats had the majority in the Senate. We took up the nomination of Anthony Kennedy, and Kennedy was confirmed 97-0. Not a single Dem voted against him.

So no, the Republican Party is uniquely terrible in this regard. They also went nuclear in SCOTUS to get a pick confirmed (Gorsuch), which we’ve also never done.

To be fair Democrats removed the filibuster for federal judicial nominations first which the GOP then extended to SCOTUS nominations.

 

[BoomStronk]

I addressed that. I literally never go through peoples search histories. I'm also not going to go looking for specific contexts on every single one to boot.

I also just stated I find him to be one of the most intelligent lefties here. I actually respect him more than most of the others.

These things I've addressed. My dude has 60,000 posts and without knowing specific verbiage holy shit that's probably time consuming. When I address these questions, I don't expect to be asked 4 times to clarify.

brother, just take your lumps, man. You obviously mispoke, then hastily searched a quote to justify yourself and you didnt notice it was a joke thread you were quoting from - this isn't the end of the world, but you're not doing yourself any favors here by pretending everyone else just misunderstands what you were doing.

 

[Aurelian]

I don't want you to apologize if its not sincere. Its not about my feelings, its about taking responsibility for misrepresenting others.

Its not as if you tagged me to ask my opinion in good faith. You tagged me as an example of someone hostile to moderates and then got annoyed when I wouldn't agree with your characterization and asked you to substantiate it, as if I was being dishonest to do so.


If you're going to misrepresent me and then insinuate that I lack integrity because I disagree with that misrepresentation don't expect that I'm going to just politely correct the record and move on, I'm going to call out your dishonesty.

That's the miscommunication. I don't think I'm being dishonest so I feel no need to sincerely apologize. We've established through multiple posts that I'm correct in my interpretation. It appears I'm also not the only one who has made this perception.

But perhaps my insinuation came off as an attack, and I will sincerely apologize for that.

 

[b34stmode]

That's the miscommunication. I don't think I'm being dishonest so I feel no need to sincerely apologize. We've established through multiple posts that I'm correct in my interpretation. It appears I'm also not the only one who has made this perception.

But perhaps my insinuation came off as an attack, and I will sincerely apologize for that.

Wait so let me get this straight. You told me that Islam hates moderates. He then calls you out and says that isn't right, and for you to provide proof of what you accuse him of. You then post satire post from him as your proof? And then say you don't think you are being dishonest? Hes telling you straight to your face you are wrong, and you can't even provide legitimate proof to show otherwise, and then insist you aren't being dishonest? lol

 

[Islam Imamate]

That's the miscommunication. I don't think I'm being dishonest so I feel no need to sincerely apologize.

You don't think snipping not one but two facetious post out of context is dishonest? Did you not even read the posts before copying and pasting them?

We've established through multiple posts that I'm correct in my interpretation.

No we didn't but since you're claiming we did, point to those posts. Should be ITT so no search function required.

It appears I'm also not the only one who has made this perception.

Ask them to substantiate it then, maybe they'll do a better job than you did.

But perhaps my insinuation came off as an attack, and I will sincerely apologize for that.

You questioning my integrity and insinuating I was being dishonest for pushing back against your misrepresentation was clearly an attack on my character, you can't really think anyone would perceive it any other way right?

 

[Aurelian]

Wait so let me get this straight. You told me that Islam hates moderates. He then calls you out and says that isn't right, and for you to provide proof of what you accuse him of. You then post satire post from him as your proof? And then say you don't think you are being dishonest? Hes telling you straight to your face you are wrong, and you can't even provide legitimate proof to show otherwise, and then insist you aren't being dishonest? lol

Where did I say he hates moderates? I told you to ask his opinion of them. YOU, not me. I also stated he has disdain, not hatred.

 

[Confucamus]

This Saturday is going to get crazy.

Imagine planning a protest to keep illegal aliens in the country to be on the 250th birthday of the U.S. Army. All these anti-American shitbags causing mayhem in L.A. are just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Aurelian]

You don't think snipping not one but two facetious post out of context is dishonest? Did you not even read the posts before copying and pasting them?

No we didn't but since you're claiming we did, point to those posts. Should be ITT so no search function required.

Ask them to substantiate it then, maybe they'll do a better job than you did.

You questioning my integrity and insinuating I was being dishonest for pushing back against your misrepresentation was clearly an attack on my character, you can't really think anyone would perceive it any other way right?

I posted it in one of my last replies.

But here's another.

My gripe is with people who pretend to be moderate but are actually right wing and use their suppose status as a moderate to arbitrate who is and isn't radical.

Also you never denied or pushed back on the person who DID link your posts. Where's your outrage there?

Does it not bother you other people have made this perception of you?

 

[Jacket time]

You'll notice nobody on the left will touch this. It's been posted a few times. It's obvious they just want to put their fingers in their ears and still believe the people who support Trump are fringe cultists, rather than face the fact that Trump won the popular vote by over 2 million votes and sweeping every swing state.

 

[Darkballs]

Imagine planning a protest to keep illegal aliens in the country to be on the 250th birthday of the U.S. Army. All these anti-American shitbags causing mayhem in L.A. are just the tip of the iceberg.

Everyone I served with thinks military parades are gay.

For those like you, who didn't serve, could you tell us why you think they're cool?

 

[Islam Imamate]

I posted it in my last reply.

But here's another.

My gripe is with people who pretend to be moderate but are actually right wing and use their suppose status as a moderate to arbitrate who is and isn't radical.

Okay, can you see that in that post I specifically said that my gripe is with people who pretend to be moderate, not people who are actually moderate? You understand that distinction right?

Now you can argue that I'm unfair in my designation of who is and isn't moderate but it's not fair to say that I'm self-consciously anti-moderate like you were implying.

Also you never denied or pushed back on the person who DID link your posts. Where's your outrage there?

Again you guys are conflating centrists and moderates. If you read through those posts my critique is of people who call themselves centrist to portray themselves as above the fray when they're often clueless.

But that doesn't mean I'm against moderating political coalitions, I just think people with firm principles are better allies which means I'll take a moderate center-right ally who has principled disagreements with me over a clueless centrist who reflexively disagrees with both sides because they think that's what they're supposed to do.

Does it not bother you other people have made this perception of you?

Most of those people, when I press them to prove their point as I did to you, end up ignoring me or embarrassing themselves. It is annoying when you guys spread these misrepresentations but if not this it'd be something else. Someone ITT accused me of being a socialist for example.