News Dana White delivers Jon Jones vs. Tom Aspinall update: ‘It’s just a matter of when now’

[Dbreiden83080]

Youre overthinking it man...Jon is a professional and the best to ever do it..we know he aint scared to get in the cage with anyone technically but he is SCARED AS HELL of Tom giving him that L.

Well, nobody wants to retire with a loss I don’t think it changes his legacy at all because he’s done more than anybody else. He’s also 38 years old now so the argument can easily be made that Jones in his prime would’ve won. But I don’t blame the man for wanting to get paid big time on the way out the door. I think anyone his position would do exactly the same.

 

[mkess101]

Well, nobody wants to retire with a loss I don’t think it changes his legacy at all because he’s done more than anybody else. He’s also 38 years old now so the argument can easily be made that Jones in his prime would’ve won. But I don’t blame the man for wanting to get paid big time on the way out the door. I think anyone his position would do exactly the same.

The problem with the "Jones in his prime" argument is that in his prime he was a LHW. His age is one factor, but the main reason I'll be betting Aspinall if they fight is that Jones isn't REALLY a HW. He's an amazingly talented LHW with a beer gut.

He looked slow vs Stipe. Like, noticeably slow. Stipe looked plain stuck in mud and he still was landing on Jones. Again some of that may be age, but some of it imo is that Jon simply isn't fighting at his optimal weight. Aspinall is a true HW. He moves like a WW and has the hand speed of one, but with real HW power.

I hope that he really does just wanna get paid and they reach an agreement. Ny worry (and the worry of many) is that Jones will keep finding reasons why the offer just ain't QUITE good enough. The money, the timing, etc. Then he agrees and a mysterious injury pops up and delays it again. He's such a narcissist, him dragging it out and having the division on hold indefinitely would make him smile. Hopefully the UFC has a tipping point and strips him if he pulls any of that.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

The problem with the "Jones in his prime" argument is that in his prime he was a LHW. His age is one factor, but the main reason I'll be betting Aspinall if they fight is that Jones isn't REALLY a HW. He's an amazingly talented LHW with a beer gut.

He looked slow vs Stipe. Like, noticeably slow. Stipe looked plain stuck in mud and he still was landing on Jones. Again some of that may be age, but some of it imo is that Jon simply isn't fighting at his optimal weight. Aspinall is a true HW. He moves like a WW and has the hand speed of one, but with real HW power.

I hope that he really does just wanna get paid and they reach an agreement. Ny worry (and the worry of many) is that Jones will keep finding reasons why the offer just ain't QUITE good enough. The money, the timing, etc. Then he agrees and a mysterious injury pops up and delays it again. He's such a narcissist, him dragging it out and having the division on hold indefinitely would make him smile. Hopefully the UFC has a tipping point and strips him if he pulls any of that.

Jones is slower at HW because he’s so much bigger. Stipe Didn’t land anything on Jones of significance. Jones was literally toying with him until he put him away. Stipe There is revisionist history, which always happens when somebody wins that certain people don’t want to win. Stipe was never somebody that could really move with great footwork and get out of the way of offense. He always pretty much just stood in the pocket and threw punches. Watch his rematch with Daniel Cormier. He got hit with bombs for three rounds until he finally went to the body and put Daniel away. The only difference between that first fight, and the second fight was his chin held up in the second fight.That’s what he always did. He was never quick.

The match up with Tom is exciting and I agree he is a seriously dangerous opponent. But he’s untested largely. I say that because he’s never been in the deep water and if he doesn’t finish early, which is highly unlikely he’s going to get dragged into that deep water. I think Jones is going to be all about the grappling in that fight. Wear him down. Systematically round by round. He’s the best I’ve ever seen at doing it. And he never breaks. Jones never mentally breaks in that cage. He breaks his opponents.

 

[mkess101]

Jones is slower at HW because he’s so much bigger. Stipe Didn’t land anything on Jones of significance. Jones was literally toying with him until he put him away. Stipe There is revisionist history, which always happens when somebody wins that certain people don’t want to win. Stipe was never somebody that could really move with great footwork and get out of the way of offense. He always pretty much just stood in the pocket and threw punches. Watch his rematch with Daniel Cormier. He got hit with bombs for three rounds until he finally went to the body and put Daniel away. The only difference between that first fight, and the second fight was his chin held up in the second fight.That’s what he always did. He was never quick.

The match up with Tom is exciting and I agree he is a seriously dangerous opponent. But he’s untested largely. I say that because he’s never been in the deep water and if he doesn’t finish early, which is highly unlikely he’s going to get dragged into that deep water. I think Jones is going to be all about the grappling in that fight. Wear him down. Systematically round by round. He’s the best I’ve ever seen at doing it. And he never breaks. Jones never mentally breaks in that cage. He breaks his opponents.

Yeah he looks slower because he's bigger, that's kinda what I was saying LOL. But he's carrying weight his body isn't ideally suited to carry is the point. Tom at 256 lbs or whatever is WAY faster than Jones at 238 or whatever he comes in at. Because one is his natural optimal size for fighting and one isn't.

Stipe--I agree sort of. But I was speaking relative to what he used to look like. He was never a "quick" HW, but he never looked nearly as sluggish as he did vs Jones. Which, at 42 and coming off a 4 year layoff...duh. But he DID land on Jones. No, they weren't shots that hurt Jon obviously. Stipe just didn't have the snap and power anymore so while he was able to land, there was no real threat. If Tom hits Jones like that? We will see. Jones has always had a GOAT level chin, but against LHW's. Different story here.

The "deep waters" argument is real. If Jones survives early, it could get interesting. Tom is unproven in long, drug out fights for sure. I don't see Jones getting there though. Too many things stacked against him. There's a reason he's been favored in every UFC fight in his career...until this one.

 

[YourBoss]

Jones is slower at HW because he’s so much bigger. Stipe Didn’t land anything on Jones of significance. Jones was literally toying with him until he put him away. Stipe There is revisionist history, which always happens when somebody wins that certain people don’t want to win. Stipe was never somebody that could really move with great footwork and get out of the way of offense. He always pretty much just stood in the pocket and threw punches. Watch his rematch with Daniel Cormier. He got hit with bombs for three rounds until he finally went to the body and put Daniel away. The only difference between that first fight, and the second fight was his chin held up in the second fight.That’s what he always did. He was never quick.

The match up with Tom is exciting and I agree he is a seriously dangerous opponent. But he’s untested largely. I say that because he’s never been in the deep water and if he doesn’t finish early, which is highly unlikely he’s going to get dragged into that deep water. I think Jones is going to be all about the grappling in that fight. Wear him down. Systematically round by round. He’s the best I’ve ever seen at doing it. And he never breaks. Jones never mentally breaks in that cage. He breaks his opponents.

Jones weight in at 237 lbs against Stipe. Thats not much bigger than his LHW fights at all. In his LHW days he said he walked around at 230 lbs. So no he is simply slower because he is old and not on juice. And Stipe looked like a pile of shit. No one has ever been close to their best speedwise when coming back into a sport such as mma at the age of 42. lol So that fight was absolut garbage and Aspinall should be a way bigger fav over jones than he actually is.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Jones weight in at 237 lbs against Stipe. Thats not much bigger than his LHW fights at all. In his LHW days he said he walked around at 230 lbs. So no he is simply slower because he is old and not on juice. And Stipe looked like a pile of shit. No one has ever been close to their best speedwise when coming back into a sport such as mma at the age of 42. lol So that fight was absolut garbage and Aspinall should be a way bigger fav over jones than he actually is.

Stipe never had speed have you seen the man fight? Watch his last two fights with Daniel Cormier and show me the speed? Show me his ability to avoid damage? The man was a wrecking machine who came forward and hit you with big punches. That was his career. He knocked out one opponent going backwards as he was recklessly trying to charge Stipe. The man loved to stand in the pocket and trade bombs.


And when did you ever see Jones with a gut in the cage when he fought and light heavyweight? He was in terrible shape when he fought Cyril.. He’s never looked like that at light heavy weight. He was in better shape in his last fight.

Yes, Tom should be a huge favorite against a man who has never lost a fight and has the best legacy of anybody. That makes sense.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Yeah he looks slower because he's bigger, that's kinda what I was saying LOL. But he's carrying weight his body isn't ideally suited to carry is the point. Tom at 256 lbs or whatever is WAY faster than Jones at 238 or whatever he comes in at. Because one is his natural optimal size for fighting and one isn't.

Stipe--I agree sort of. But I was speaking relative to what he used to look like. He was never a "quick" HW, but he never looked nearly as sluggish as he did vs Jones. Which, at 42 and coming off a 4 year layoff...duh. But he DID land on Jones. No, they weren't shots that hurt Jon obviously. Stipe just didn't have the snap and power anymore so while he was able to land, there was no real threat. If Tom hits Jones like that? We will see. Jones has always had a GOAT level chin, but against LHW's. Different story here.

The "deep waters" argument is real. If Jones survives early, it could get interesting. Tom is unproven in long, drug out fights for sure. I don't see Jones getting there though. Too many things stacked against him. There's a reason he's been favored in every UFC fight in his career...until this one.

I just can’t see Jones getting taken out in a fight. The man was built for combat. Built for war. Anything is possible, but I just don’t believe it.

 

[Tweak896]

You can talk all the shit you want about Dana but he throws everything at a fight when he wants it. I know he did with Fedor. It's just when guys have ulterior motives besides money. Like Ngannou wanting boxing+short contract or Fedor wanting co promotion. I'm sure they are putting up Sphere budget for this fight atleast. I'm curious if the oil princes had to get involved to cover the pay, I bet Jones is asking for more than is profitable and the oil guys love losing money.

 

[khukurikoo]

So Dana says absolutely nothing since it's always been a matter of when since Aspinall won the interim title. Feel sorry for the dude having to lose the prime of his career dealing with Jon's and Dana's bullshit games.

 

[Kenny Powerth]

Hasn't it been any day since 2023?

 

[650lb Sumo]

 

[PeterGriffin]

Dana sounds like a retarded person.

I read the quotes as if delivered from Dana and then Trump, and to be honest... it reads the same way.

 

[ComfortablyNumb55]

Why can't people ever give Jones time?

It's not unreasonable he trains a year or so for this fight.

Es normal.

 

[jeff7b9]

It's a done deal guys. It's just a few formalities.

- getting the fighters to agree to the terms
- booking a date
- closing a 20ish million dollar negotiation gap
- finding Jon Jones
- getting him to fight
- telling everyone how awesome Jones vs Stipe 2 will be

Spoiler

"The P4P best ever vs the #1 HW in the Cleveland Fire Dept!"

 

[PeterGriffin]

 

[markg171]

"When" could be another year for all we know. Or never, knowing Jones.

This fight needs to happen within the next few months or Jones needs to vacate the belt.

I hope when you say Jon needs to fight in a few months or vacate you also mean that Tom won't simply be promoted too right. Tom's been out even longer than Jones yet should be the new champ by being even less active than the one you want to strip?

If he's not unifying with Jones he should be fighting for a vacant title.

 

[markg171]

"29 wins, 0 losses, 1 no contest"

29 wins, 1 loss, 1 no contest
He lost 1 fight, stop with the misinformation...............

Curious how many fights you say Tom's lost

 

[markg171]

Why can't people ever give Jones time?

It's not unreasonable he trains a year or so for this fight.

Es normal.

They want Jones to fight Tom ASAP because they know that scenario favours Tom.

They don't want some Batman scenario where Jon gets enough prep and strategy time to beat Tom and ruin all their hopes.

 

[mkess101]

I just can’t see Jones getting taken out in a fight. The man was built for combat. Built for war. Anything is possible, but I just don’t believe it.

He's facing something utterly and completely different. We will see.

 

[fightfan70]

My point is more that Jones isn't scared of the the time in the cage. I really believe that. It's not the getting KO'd. It's the AFTER. The having to deal with people seeing him and saying "you weren't as good as I thought, you got smoked".

It's the hit to his ego that petrifies him. Not the time in the cage. The after effects.

this is why i think its a waste of everyones time pursuing this fight.