Why aren't we already seeing Aspinall vs. Gane?

[tritestill]

Another bad thread

 

[TheNewGame]

Aspinall

• Arlovski
• Spivac
• Volkov
• Tybura
• Pav
• Blaydes (1-1)

Gane

• Boser
• JDS
• Roz
• Volkov
• Lewis
• Tai
• Spivac
• Volkov

Stop lying.

Beating Blaydes and Pav means he has beaten better competition than Gane, and had no titleshots, while Gane has already had two.

Gane also ducked Blaydes and Aspinall for good reason, which should count as a forfeit.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

And Tom wasn't given a gift for his interim defence with a rematch against Blaydes instead of a rematch with Volkov who had a better streak?

Err no...because for one nobody sees Blaydes as a step down from Volkov, especially when Tom had already steamrolled Volkov with ease before. Secondly Volkov only got back on the map with his win over Pav shortly before Tom/Blaydes 2 happened, thirdly Tom was given Blaydes again because the first fight ended in 15 seconds via freak injury.

Meanwhile in Ganes case we are talking two fresh match ups with highly ranked stylistically challenging opponents being avoided in favour of a rematch with a striker he already beat. Then those two grapplers fighting other opponents a few weeks after Gane/Volkov 2 happened. Pretty clear whats going on there.

You also don't seem to be aware that 2 wins > 1-1 mate. Not Gane's fault he's winning close decisions while Tom's avenging losses because he didn't already beat those fighters when he had the chance.

Again, to reiterate, I really do hope you're just trolling. The sheer level of retardation necessary to try and validate Toms "loss" to Blaydes is off the scales. Its less of a legit "loss" than TK/Fedor and Coleman/Shogun because at least TK and Mark played an active role in doing the damage.

 

[CieloLuce]

At this point, I just wish the UFC would book Aspinall in a fight. That way Aspinall gets paid a championship salary and starts racking up title defenses.

I would make the exception to count Aspinall title defenses, if it happens.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

Aspinall hasn't faced any elite grapplers, as far as I know.

Aspinall hasn't faced Jones, nor Ngannou.

Aspinall has lost vs fighters of lesser accomplishments than has Gane.

Look, I completely aggree that Jones should fight Tom. I completely aggree that Gane shouldn't fight Tom (next).

But saying that "Gane sucks!" is haters rhetorics. It's dumb.

Aspinall hasn’t faced any elite grapplers but Gane got outgrappled by a brawler frequently criticized for his inability to grapple.

You really think Gane would have gotten past Blaydes or Pavlovich? Volkov clearly beat him and look what Tom did to Volkov. I’m totally confused to the notion that Gane is a top fighter. It’s a weak division, sure but it seems no matter what, people on here insist he’s elite despite having multiple massive flaws in his game.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

Because Tom would get exposed and ruin the Jones money fight. That dart in and out style of striking works against slow unskilled HW opponents but Gane isn't either of those things. And he will be prepared for Tom's football tackle style takedown, his only wrestling technique (he caught Volkov by surprise with these)....let's not act like he's English Khabib.

Gane couldn’t even outgrapple Francis ffs. You really think pillowfist mcwhitebelt is going to be able to dance around on the feet in a sparring match and beat Tom? Lol…

 

[AndrewGolota48]

Gane couldn’t even outgrapple Francis ffs. You really think pillowfist mcwhitebelt is going to be able to dance around on the feet in a sparring match and beat Tom? Lol…

What exactly makes you think Aspinall is a better grappler than Ngannou? Ngannou has gotten outgrappled one time in his UFC career, the first Stipe fight, then improved so much that he outgrappled Stipe in the rematch, while Aspinall has gotten gorilla fucked by Stuart Austin. Aspinall has gotten some sub finishes but so has Ngannou. Ngannou could probably manhandle Tom if they locked up honestly.

 

[AndrewGolota48]

Aspinall hasn’t faced any elite grapplers but Gane got outgrappled by a brawler frequently criticized for his inability to grapple.

You really think Gane would have gotten past Blaydes or Pavlovich? Volkov clearly beat him and look what Tom did to Volkov. I’m totally confused to the notion that Gane is a top fighter. It’s a weak division, sure but it seems no matter what, people on here insist he’s elite despite having multiple massive flaws in his game.

Frequently criticized by weird racists that think Africans are too primitive to learn growling or something, so they insist he's bad despite blatant clear evidence like making Stipe look like a fucking jackass in the rematch when he tried to wrestle, shutting down Blaydes twice, shutting down Cain, literally beating all the best wrestlers in the division....

 

[markg171]

Beating Blaydes and Pav means he has beaten better competition than Gane, and had no titleshots, while Gane has already had two.

Gane also ducked Blaydes and Aspinall for good reason, which should count as a forfeit.

You do realize Volkov also beat Pav after Tom did, and then close decision or not, Gane beat Volkov (again) right

And that even if this were true that you're seriously trying to argue that having those 2 wins, Blaydes who he's 1-1, is somehow enough to overcome Gane having more wins

You guys are ridiculous. Tom's up next RIGHT NOW, but he obviously doesn't have a better overall record than Gane.

 

[markg171]

Err no...because for one nobody sees Blaydes as a step down from Volkov, especially when Tom had already steamrolled Volkov with ease before. Secondly Volkov only got back on the map with his win over Pav shortly before Tom/Blaydes 2 happened, thirdly Tom was given Blaydes again because the first fight ended in 15 seconds via freak injury.

Meanwhile in Ganes case we are talking two fresh match ups with highly ranked stylistically challenging opponents being avoided in favour of a rematch with a striker he already beat. Then those two grapplers fighting other opponents a few weeks after Gane/Volkov 2 happened. Pretty clear whats going on there.




Again, to reiterate, I really do hope you're just trolling. The sheer level of retardation necessary to try and validate Toms "loss" to Blaydes is off the scales. Its less of a legit "loss" than TK/Fedor and Coleman/Shogun because at least TK and Mark played an active role in doing the damage.

You do realize even if you say Tom/Blaydes 1 "never happened" that's still worse than going 2-0 over someone right

Like you are aware that 2 is a bigger number than 1 yes

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

You do realize even if you say Tom/Blaydes 1 "never happened" that's still worse than going 2-0 over someone right

Like you are aware that 2 is a bigger number than 1 yes

Whos stock was as high when Gane beat them as Pavs was when Tom stopped him in the first round?

Which of Ganes performances were as impressive as Toms RD 1 finishes over Pav, Blaydes and Volkov?

Who has Gane beaten that on paper would have been a riskier fight for him stylistically than Blaydes or Pav?

 

[TheNewGame]

You do realize Volkov also beat Pav after Tom did, and then close decision or not, Gane beat Volkov (again) right

And that even if this were true that you're seriously trying to argue that having those 2 wins, Blaydes who he's 1-1, is somehow enough to overcome Gane having more wins

You guys are ridiculous. Tom's up next RIGHT NOW, but he obviously doesn't have a better overall record than Gane.

Why bring up Volkov when Aspinall absolutely mauled him, while Gane barely gets the decisions?

Blaydes/Volkov/Pav > Volkov/Roz/Lewis or whoever you want to put in Gane's top 3. Quality or quantity.

 

[markg171]

Whos stock was as high when Gane beat them as Pavs was when Tom stopped him in the first round?

Which of Ganes performances were as impressive as Toms RD 1 finishes over Pav, Blaydes and Volkov?

Who has Gane beaten that on paper would have been a riskier fight for him stylistically than Blaydes or Pav?

I dunno, beating Lewis during his streak coming off KOing Blaydes or Volkov during his 4 streak coming off beating Pav seem about right for what you seem to be angling about.

Tai was also on a 5 fight KO streak and Roz was 5-1 all by KO in the UFC. Might as well also point out he arguably beat Ngannou who was on a 5 fight KO streak.

Gane has the better record. Tom is still up next. This isn't that hard mate.

 

[mkess101]

You do realize even if you say Tom/Blaydes 1 "never happened" that's still worse than going 2-0 over someone right

Like you are aware that 2 is a bigger number than 1 yes

You're trying to sell Blaydes as a downgrade from Volkov...how did it go when they fought again?

 

[markg171]

Why bring up Volkov when Aspinall absolutely mauled him, while Gane barely gets the decisions?

Blaydes/Volkov/Pav > Volkov/Roz/Lewis or whoever you want to put in Gane's top 3.

I wouldn't know cause Aspinall fought Volkov in 2022 instead of 2024 when he was much better like Gane did.

Tom also fought Volkov after Gane had already beaten him, and just took him down instead of strike with him after Volkov dropped him, but that seems to be non-existent context to you people.

 

[markg171]

You're trying to sell Blaydes as a downgrade from Volkov...how did it go when they fought again?

I am once again asking if you people even know how to count. Going 1-1 with Blaydes doesn't give you as many wins as going 2-0 with Volkov does. It's 1 less win, I'm not asking for much math from you guys.

Blaydes was also only #4 when Tom (finally) beat him while Volkov was #3 when Gane (again) did. Rankings wise it is worse, even if head to head they fought 4 years previously. You might as well bring up other MMA Math while you're at it where Gane and Tom have fought guys that have all beaten each other except Gane has more wins.

This isn't hard. You guys are getting your panties in a knot for pointing out that Tom has 6 good wins which is less than Gane's 8. Tom is also next in line. None of this is hard but you're screeching like toddlers.

 

[mkess101]

I am once again asking if you people even know how to count. Going 1-1 with Blaydes doesn't give you as many wins as going 2-0 with Volkov does. It's 1 less win, I'm not asking for much math from you guys.

Blaydes was also only #4 when Tom (finally) beat him while Volkov was #3 when Gane (again) did. Rankings wise it is worse, even if head to head they fought 4 years previously. You might as well bring up other MMA Math while you're at it where Gane and Tom have fought guys that have all beaten each other except Gane has more wins.

This isn't hard. You guys are getting your panties in a knot for pointing out that Tom has 6 good wins which is less than Gane's 8. Tom is also next in line. None of this is hard but you're screeching like toddlers.

Man, more whining from you? Boy, you really ought to quit this. You won't, but you should.

Rankings mean jack dick. They are always being manipulated.

I already posted how Aspinall has been more successful than Gane. He wins at a higher % in the UFC. Period. You tried to pick and choose which context mattered but nope, you don't get to do that. Take your L and move on, bucko.

 

[TheNewGame]

Going 1-1 with Blaydes

Jon Jones is 0-1 against Matt Hamill

 

[markg171]

Man, more whining from you? Boy, you really ought to quit this. You won't, but you should.

Rankings mean jack dick. They are always being manipulated.

I already posted how Aspinall has been more successful than Gane. He wins at a higher % in the UFC. Period. You tried to pick and choose which context mattered but nope, you don't get to do that. Take your L and move on, bucko.

It's really hard for you to admit that 6 wins is less than 8 isn't it

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

I dunno, beating Lewis during his streak coming off KOing Blaydes or Volkov during his 4 streak coming off beating Pav seem about right for what you seem to be angling about.

LOL here we go again...

Lewis was a stylistically favourable opponent for Gane, a one dimensional striker. He also had 7 losses by that point and his 4 fight win streak going in, outside of the admittedly impressive Blaydes win, was a finish over 42 year old Oleinik and contentious decisions over Ivanov and LHW journeyman Latifi.

Volkov was supposed to be another stylistically favourable opponent, already had 8 losses the first time they met. His longer of the two streaks was 4 fights, it was much better than Lewis's run but considering you're obsessed with doing the math i'm still failing to see how 4 fights is a better streak than 6 fights, especially when you then add in that ALL of Pavs wins were in the first round.

Tai was also on a 5 fight KO streak and Roz was 5-1 all by KO in the UFC.

Tai, oh look its another one dimensional striker for Gane to fight (Gane got rocked as well lol)

Rozenstruik, oh look its ANOTHER one dimensional striker for Gane to fight.


Why are you even pretending? we were both on this forum during all these fights and both know that Pav was widely considered much more dangerous and impressive at the time of the Tom fight than Lewis, Volkov or anyone Gane beat was when he beat them. Pav was being hailed as the white Ngannou, we both know this. Just because Tom took his soul and ruined him it doesnt change that.

Blaydes is also a guy who would have been considered a tougher test for Gane than any hes actually passed so far.

Might as well also point out he arguably beat Ngannou who was on a 5 fight KO streak.

Then you might as well point out that he arguably lost to Volkov just now too.

Also FWIW, nobody doubts Ganes technical striking skills, yes, he was able to shut down Ngannous striking game, thats how good he is in that particular facet of the game. What people DO question is his vulnerability to grappling. That perceived weakness to grappling, combined with his pillow fists, is what made him an acceptable risk for Jon while he wanted nothing to do with Ngannou and now Tom.