Tom actually quit. Jones was right.

[DragoonC]

A lot of anti retina bots in on this thread

 

[mkess101]

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Your boyfriend thinks you are.

 

[Gamboal]

Watching the replay over and over again, it's clear Gane's fingers didn't scrape Tom's eyes on either side, as his eye lids were closed. It looks like he got poked in the right eye but it was a glancing poke across that eye.

If anyone thinks it hurts or does damage getting scraped on the eye with a closed eye lid, you're full of crap as you can very robustly rub your closed eyes right now and see how it barely even feels uncomfortable.

So Tom at best exaggerated the pain and at worst, put on a whole drama-queen escape act to throw the fight and piss everyone off as he was getting tagged.

 

[fractal]

Yes.

Thank you, that says enough. I wonder why they are even illegal?

 

[Al Tair]

At the end of the day, Tom is an actually real fighter at the highest level. While you are a nerd writing your opinion on a message board on how a fighter quit..

I am apparently important enough for you to reply, looks like the truth hurts you boy.

 

[snugglecakes]

and jon quit against tom and francis before even entering the octagon

Jon is also on a theoretical 1-2-1 streak. A draw against 1 legged middleweight santos, a loss against Dominick Reyes, the sub win aganist gane (good for you i guess), & a DQ loss for an elder abuse violation against Stipe.

 

[Kwic]

The takes on here are wild. Eye pokes are weird and there is 0 chance you can judge how bad they are or how much damage was done. I have seen eye pokes that looked terrible but the fighter was good to go in a min. Other ones didn't look so bad and guys eyes swelled shut. Look at Dale Earnhearts crash. Didn't seem like a bad crash but he was killed. You have cars flipping 5x and breaking into a million pieces and guys walk out. Whether Tom quit or not it's debatable, but you cannot factually say his eyes were fine. The only facts are both eyes were poked illegally and it is impossible to assess the damage.

When you sign up for a Sherdog account I think there is a point somewhere where logic and reason are deemed as yellow card worthy. This is why most of Sherbros are avoiding them like a plague.
I would be worried if I were you.
One more post where you try to explain with treason might get you banned.

 

[1King]

No one cheats "accidentally" bro

Ok Gane cheated, and Tom quit. I don’t know what we’re arguing here.

 

[Al Tair]

either way, no matter how you look at it, this is a big win for Jon, and for all the bs he pulled, he will still be able to call himself the goat. Tom will have to live with the fact that he is an unproven champ until he makes a statement in his next fight.

 

[Al Tair]

to be the GOAT, you either have to beat the GOAT or do something they couldn't do. Tom is so overhyped, the talent in HW is just lacking.

 

[Vehap1]

Jon quited because he isnt allowed to use steroids anymore... And Tom, Reyes, Francis are no midgets

 

[icemun]

and jon quit against tom and francis before even entering the octagon

Jon is also on a theoretical 1-2-1 streak. A draw against 1 legged middleweight santos, a loss against Dominick Reyes, the sub win aganist gane (good for you i guess), & a DQ loss for an elder abuse violation against Stipe.

Guess you missed it.
Francis quit mma instead of fighting Jones.

Francis Ngannou Turned Down Around $8 Million To Fight Jon Jones​

Francis Ngannou Turned Down Around $8 Million To Fight Jon Jones, Asked For Health Insurance And Other Benefits For Fighters

Francis Ngannou is finally speaking out after not coming to terms with the UFC. On Saturday, UFC President Dana White announced that he was stripping

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Jones has also never lost.

Nothing for him to gain in beating unknown up and comers like Tom forever.

 

[snugglecakes]

Guess you missed it.
Francis quit mma instead of fighting Jones.

Francis Ngannou Turned Down Around $8 Million To Fight Jon Jones​

Francis Ngannou Turned Down Around $8 Million To Fight Jon Jones, Asked For Health Insurance And Other Benefits For Fighters

Francis Ngannou is finally speaking out after not coming to terms with the UFC. On Saturday, UFC President Dana White announced that he was stripping

brobible.com

Jones has also never lost.

Nothing for him to gain in beating unknown up and comers like Tom forever.

that's not the perception that masses got from this. People saw jon go "oh never mind i'm actually not retired. I'm coming back at heavyweight'' 5 seconds after the word got out that francis has left the UFC. It was a far worse look for jon than it was for frank. The timing couldn't have made it more obvious that jon was waiting for the perfect cherry pick.

Frank played his cards decently here but also showed balls. He turned down 8 mil to go take a far more difficult fight for around 10 mil. It's hardly a duck when you take a much harder fight instead for a nominal pay difference. He went for the harder fight instead. That's showing balls. It being in a different sport is not relevant.

Frank never ducked anybody but jon sure as hell did. How much did jon turn down to fight tom?
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Jon has nothing to gain from beating tom but totally has loads to gain from elder abusing 9001 light year old Stipe? That whole legacy excuse as to why he fought Stipe and not Tom falls apart in so many ways. If anything it harmed Jon's legacy. Now people know Jon as the guy that went out ducking the rightful contender to take an easy elder abuse match instead. Nice legacy fight jon... more like legacy destroying. More like leg pit job a D then take a nut to butt bitch ride on the back of a moped.

If legacy was the reasoning as to who you will fight next, he wouldn't go elder abuse an old man that hasn't fought in years n got shad cro cop ankle twist meme KOed in his last fight. Jon would take what's perceived as the more difficult fight that cements his place as 1 of the all time greats if this was about legacy. This was nothing other than cherry picking the easier fight. It's not like the mass casuals even know who the fuck Jon jones is. The legacy excuse is a crock. Jon was never prime Conor or Ronda levels of fame. The little old lady in Ohio doesn't know who the fuck jon jones is and never will. He has no legacy outside of semi hardcore (or full blown hardcore) MMA fans. He will never be a household name. The only other people that know who Jon is are the police.

Nice job trying to downplay Tom calling him an unknown "up and comer". It's news to me that being the current interim champ that's about to be promoted to the champ champ is "up and coming." Does Tom need to go bully some bloated middleweights like Jon did to graduate from up and comer to the one that's up top?

 

[icemun]

that's not the perception that masses got from this. People saw jon go "oh never mind i'm actually not retired. I'm coming back at heavyweight'' 5 seconds after the word got out that francis has left the UFC. It was a far worse look for jon than it was for frank. The timing couldn't have made it more obvious that jon was waiting for the perfect cherry pick.

Frank played his cards decently here but also showed balls. He turned down 8 mil to go take a far more difficult fight for around 10 mil. It's hardly a duck when you take a much harder fight instead for a nominal pay difference. He went for the harder fight instead. That's showing balls. It being in a different sport is not relevant.

Frank never ducked anybody but jon sure as hell did. How much did jon turn down to fight tom?
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Jon has nothing to gain from beating tom but totally has loads to gain from elder abusing 9001 light year old Stipe? That whole legacy excuse as to why he fought Stipe and not Tom falls apart in so many ways. If anything it harmed Jon's legacy. Now people know Jon as the guy that went out ducking the rightful contender to take an easy elder abuse match instead. Nice legacy fight jon... more like legacy destroying. More like leg pit job a D then take a nut to butt bitch ride on the back of a moped.

If legacy was the reasoning as to who you will fight next, he wouldn't go elder abuse an old man that hasn't fought in years n got shad cro cop ankle twist meme KOed in his last fight. Jon would take what's perceived as the more difficult fight that cements his place as 1 of the all time greats if this was about legacy. This was nothing other than cherry picking the easier fight. It's not like the mass casuals even know who the fuck Jon jones is. The legacy excuse is a crock. Jon was never prime Conor or Ronda levels of fame. The little old lady in Ohio doesn't know who the fuck jon jones is and never will. He has no legacy outside of semi hardcore (or full blown hardcore) MMA fans. He will never be a household name. The only other people that know who Jon is are the police.

Nice job trying to downplay Tom calling him an unknown "up and comer". It's news to me that being the current interim champ that's about to be promoted to the champ champ is "up and coming." Does Tom need to go bully some bloated middleweights like Jon did to graduate from up and comer to the one that's up top?

Nothing you typed refutes the facts that

- Francis QUIT mma instead of fighting Jones

Francis Ngannou Turned Down Around $8 Million To Fight Jon Jones​

Francis Ngannou Turned Down Around $8 Million To Fight Jon Jones, Asked For Health Insurance And Other Benefits For Fighters

Francis Ngannou is finally speaking out after not coming to terms with the UFC. On Saturday, UFC President Dana White announced that he was stripping

brobible.com

-And a victory over Tom (an uknown) does nothing for Jones.

Look how people dismissed Gane after losing to Jon. "Hes just a white belt."

Hell, people are dismissing Tom now.

 

[snugglecakes]

Nothing you typed refutes the facts that

- Francis QUIT mma instead of fighting Jones

Francis Ngannou Turned Down Around $8 Million To Fight Jon Jones​

Francis Ngannou Turned Down Around $8 Million To Fight Jon Jones, Asked For Health Insurance And Other Benefits For Fighters

Francis Ngannou is finally speaking out after not coming to terms with the UFC. On Saturday, UFC President Dana White announced that he was stripping

brobible.com

-And a victory over Tom (an uknown) does nothing for Jones.

Look how people dismissed Gane after losing to Jon. "Hes just a white belt."

Hell, people are dismissing Tom now.

-nothing you can say refutes the fact that... Francis had an MMA fight after leaving the UFC. What happened to quitting mma?
There are better opportunities over at boxing. Saying Francis quit MMA to go box is like saying you quit tee ball to go play major league baseball instead or you quit going to the go cart tracks to go race formula 1. It's not a quit. It's an upgrade but you're trying to rub it in as if he's a quitter. Staying at MMA woulda been the quit. It woulda meant he quit trying to take on greater challenges and was content on spending the rest of his career stomping people hilariously smaller than him such as LHW Jon Jones. Jon is the one that goes for the easier fights.

-Jon turned down 30 million to fight Tom. It's the biggest duck in MMA history. How can you call out turning down a fight for 8m to take a harder fight for 10m instead with a straight face when Jon turned down 30m to fight... the cops in an over the phone verbal sparring match instead.

- a Victory over 9001 light year old stipe ruined his legacy (what little legacy he had, which was already a roid cheat legacy to objective fans). Now people think Jon is an elder abuser along with women abuser. Any casual that doesn't know who Stipe is also does not know who Tom aspinal is. Jon didn't go for the big name value fight like he tried to pass this off as. You can't explain away fighting stipe over Tom as anything other than a cherry pick & a duck.

- the majority of MMA fans with a set of eyes think Jon Jones clearly lost to get knocked outtaholic Dominick Reyes n now the UFC is being investigated for rigging fights.

- Francis turned down 8 million for an even higher payday against a far bigger more dangerous opponent. If you think pursuing the even more difficult fight for more money is "ducking" then you are lying to yourself.

-Gane vs Jon in hindsight is looking more and more like a GSP vs Matt Serra fluke moment. Gane plooks jon 99 out of 100 times and so does Tom

 

[fractal]

Ok Gane cheated, and Tom quit. I don’t know what we’re arguing here.

That Tom only quit because his abilities were compromised due to an intentional illegal action by Gane's cheating. And there's nothing disgraceful about not rewarding a cheat. If the refs did their job Tom wouldn't need to quit. No argument though, since we both agree on that.

How many times is it ok for someone to eyepoke their opponent before it's acceptable for the person to refuse to continue? 2, 5, 10?

 

[icemun]

-nothing you can say refutes the fact that... Francis had an MMA fight after leaving the UFC. What happened to quitting mma?
There are better opportunities over at boxing. Saying Francis quit MMA to go box is like saying you quit tee ball to go play major league baseball instead or you quit going to the go cart tracks to go race formula 1. It's not a quit. It's an upgrade but you're trying to rub it in as if he's a quitter. Staying at MMA woulda been the quit. It woulda meant he quit trying to take on greater challenges and was content on spending the rest of his career stomping people hilariously smaller than him such as LHW Jon Jones. Jon is the one that goes for the easier fights.

-Jon turned down 30 million to fight Tom. It's the biggest duck in MMA history. How can you call out turning down a fight for 8m to take a harder fight for 10m instead with a straight face when Jon turned down 30m to fight... the cops in an over the phone verbal sparring match instead.

- a Victory over 9001 light year old stipe ruined his legacy (what little legacy he had, which was already a roid cheat legacy to objective fans). Now people think Jon is an elder abuser along with women abuser. Any casual that doesn't know who Stipe is also does not know who Tom aspinal is. Jon didn't go for the big name value fight like he tried to pass this off as. You can't explain away fighting stipe over Tom as anything other than a cherry pick & a duck.

- the majority of MMA fans with a set of eyes think Jon Jones clearly lost to get knocked outtaholic Dominick Reyes n now the UFC is being investigated for rigging fights.

- Francis turned down 8 million for an even higher payday against a far bigger more dangerous opponent. If you think pursuing the even more difficult fight for more money is "ducking" then you are lying to yourself.

-Gane vs Jon in hindsight is looking more and more like a GSP vs Matt Serra fluke moment. Gane plooks jon 99 out of 100 times and so does Tom

You typed a ton of irrelevant gibberish and emotional conjecture.

Francis QUIT the UFC instead of fighting Jones, that is just the facts. Whatever Francis reasons he QUIT, said NO to fighting Jones.

Francis Ngannou Turned Down Around $8 Million To Fight Jon Jones​

Jones has NEVER lost.

Beating an unknown like Tom does less than beating Gane (which be did In seconds)

 

[jeff7b9]

MMA is never going to progress because the actual fans who really follow the sport are filled with fucking tards. Good job, OP.

Curious if you feel like the tard percentage is up lately on sherdog?


From where I'm sitting these tards are out of their cages, running wild and running their mouths quite a bit

 

[JKS]

Nothing you typed refutes the facts that

- Francis QUIT mma instead of fighting Jones

Francis Ngannou Turned Down Around $8 Million To Fight Jon Jones​

Francis Ngannou Turned Down Around $8 Million To Fight Jon Jones, Asked For Health Insurance And Other Benefits For Fighters

Francis Ngannou is finally speaking out after not coming to terms with the UFC. On Saturday, UFC President Dana White announced that he was stripping

brobible.com

-And a victory over Tom (an uknown) does nothing for Jones.

Look how people dismissed Gane after losing to Jon. "Hes just a white belt."

Hell, people are dismissing Tom now.

Here's the problem with your point. And take this from someone who for a long time defended Jon Jones and Dana White on this situation that Jon Jones didn't duck Francis. And the reason the fight didn't happen was on Francis as he left the UFC. So I don't have favortism one way or the other here.

While you are correct that Francis Ngannou did receive a UFC contract offer and in there was pay outlined for "a" Jon Jones fight. And they did perhaps offer Francis the Jones fight for UFC 289, March 5th 2023. The UFC and Dana White very well knew that Francis was not going to fight on UFC 289, and this is where the situation gets more complicated. You hear Dana White say in the press conference on Jan 15th, 2023 when he announced Francis was leaving the UFC and Jones vs Gane is on for UFC 289......."Francis is over 300lbs, he just had knee surgery so we don't think he's even gonna be ready for March"

So the UFC made a contract offer to Francis the week prior, Francis said this on the Ariel Helwani podcast, on Jan 10th, 2023. But they made the offer for a fight 7 weeks out when Francis was clearly not gonna be ready in time. Jon Jones was already booked for UFC 289 in November to make his HW debut.

So when Francis said the contact was a trick just to get him to sign. That was correct in a sense. They promised him the Jones fight, but from the perspective of Francis, what if Jones lost to Gane, what if Jones gets injured, what is Jones stalls negotiations. That fight doesn't happen. There were too many uncertainties for Francis in that future Jones fight. I am sure the UFC wanted to make the fight and would in the future, but it doesn't mean it's a gaurantee.

Like I said, the UFC made an offer, but they did so in a situation knowing that Francis would not be ready for UFC 289. They did make the offer more for a future consideration and to lock him into a contract with the "possibility" of fighting Jones.

 

[10000yearsold]

Anyone who has seen the original Road House knows, “pain don’t hurt.”

Anybody not getting snapped or slept and quitting is a quitter ….. lol