Who are we kidding, how was that not intentional?

[Takes Two To Tango]

Wow Jim Miller knows what he's talking about. Very well said. I agree with him.

 

[w00t]

The pressure was getting to Gane and he looked for an easy way out.

 

[Chagaev]

It's hard to execute perfect eyepokes like that in a fight. But if you're used to fight dirty with your fingers extended in your oponent face, eventually you're gonna get it.

 

[PeterGriffin]

I really don't know if it was a case of a striker trying carelessly at keep his grappling-experienced opponent at range, or it was Gane channeling Jon's best accidental eye-poke, but the fight ended as a result of a foul by Gane. Not sure why Tom's the object of everyone's disdain.

 

[Thawing Mammoth]

Yeah it's pretty nasty how he re-engages

 

[Tayski]

It's dumb how they call literally every eye poke non-intentional.

If you are moving you're hand towards the opponents face with fingers stretched out, it's intentional. It should always be a point deduction without warning.

And mispelling "you're hand" would be intentional too according to your logic. Aren't you in control of your fingers too?

 

[jeff7b9]

I really don't know if it was a case of a striker trying carelessly at keep his grappling-experienced opponent at range, or it was Gane channeling Jon's best accidental eye-poke, but the fight ended as a result of a foul by Gane. Not sure why Tom's the object of everyone's disdain.

MMA is weird like that.

Guys who foul and cheat often get a pass and guys who get fouled are expected to take it with a smile.

Also, just rewatched.... barely anything happened.
No one got pieced up.
No one dominated.

They had a feeling out process and went for 10 laps around the octagon. Watch it in fast play. It's mesmerizing.




(I did speed 2x, but faster would probably be even more interesting if you can do it. Round and round.)

 

[spinup]

Are people seriously retarded?

Gane was literally digging in his fingers once he locked in the target. Also he did the exact same thing shortly before stopping Tom's takedown by fingering Tom's eyes. A takedown that would've guaranteed Tom the RD if not even the fight.

What could possibly be the explanation someones fingers randomly just end up in the opponents eye sockets?

You know real life is not in slow mo, right?
Gane had his fingers pointed upward, the contact was just a split second in a chaotic exchange.
Gane initially opened his hand to grab Aspinall's left wrist, Aspinall dipped his arm to block a body kick so Gane opted to post defensively.
And Tom turned his head into it while throwing his left hook.

 

[chinarice]

Gane not used to having someone who can stand and throw that kind of heat with him. Took the easy way out by cheating.

It's not really hard to spit any narrative you want these days.

 

[Gamer2k4]

It's dumb how they call literally every eye poke non-intentional.

If you are moving you're hand towards the opponents face with fingers stretched out, it's intentional. It should always be a point deduction without warning.

Are all groin shots intentional because you're moving your foot in that direction?

 

[orca]

aspinal already look like he gassed and bloodied up
o yeah why would he do it intentionaly lmao

so that it would be a no contest?

aspinal slowed down
i dont think aspinal kos him if the fight continued
more like aspinal will slow down even more
and gane will pick him apart

 

[El Fernas]

It's dumb how they call literally every eye poke non-intentional.

If you are moving you're hand towards the opponents face with fingers stretched out, it's intentional. It should always be a point deduction without warning.

Its the same for almost every foul, in this case im not sure if taking a point, while still considered unintentional, could still lead to a NC, afaik only intentional fouls lead to DQ if the opponent cant continue (really hurt or faking it), taking a point in the mean time would be a good detriment to fouls, fighters know they get a pass on 1-2 fouls, easy, its rare fighters quit or are too hurt to continue, hurt or not they usually continue and there is no punishment.

edit: Most fouls get the benefit of the doubt and are considered unintentional, i would say most are not that unintentional, but thats how MMA refs work.

 

[empsim]

And mispelling "you're hand" would be intentional too according to your logic. Aren't you in control of your fingers too?

Wow good one, thanks for adding to the discussion.

Are all groin shots intentional because you're moving your foot in that direction?

In that case you are trying to kick the leg or body and accidentally hit the groin instead.

What are you trying to achieve moving your stretched out fingers towards the opponents face?

 

[TGArthur]

Demetrious doesn't think it was intentional and open palm is the right technique

"THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE AS HUMAN BEINGS, OUR NATURAL REACTION IS TO OPEN OUR HANDS WHEN SOMEONE COMES TOWARD US; THE WAY GANE HAD HIS HANDS ON TOM ASPINALL'S FACE WAS THE CORRECT TECHNIQUE TO DO."

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

Tom’s chin is gone. Strip him and give Jones the belt back

 

[Gamer2k4]

In that case you are trying to kick the leg or body and accidentally hit the groin instead.

What are you trying to achieve moving your stretched out fingers towards the opponents face?

To push them away, I assume. Whenever I push something, it's with an open hand, not a closed fist.

 

[prime_lobov]

If anything Tommy intentionally pushed his face into Gane’s hand looking for a way out

 

[HeffDoesWant]

I believe unintentional eye pokes can happen but are extremely rare, most (Ganes included) are Reckless or Deliberate, and should have consequences in all most all cases.

Chris Weidman eyepoked Bruno Silva 5 times in 2.5 rounds and faced literally zero negative effects. That is why eye pokes happen.

 

[MRT]

I think it is worthwhile to differentiate between unintentional and accidental, unintentional but negligent, and intentional when we look at each case.

Most eye pokes are negligent, not intentional. Very few fighters are actually intending to poke their opponent in the eye. They are instead doing things that are negligent that can reasonably be foreseen to significantly increase the likelihood of an eye poke...like keeping their open hand extended, pawing at an opponent's head/face, etc.

This is what Miller is getting at...his clip does not support the idea that eye pokes are 'intentional'. He is saying they are avoidable. Not the same thing.

 

[Asahi]

You know real life is not in slow mo, right?
Gane had his fingers pointed upward, the contact was just a split second in a chaotic exchange.
Gane initially opened his hand to grab Aspinall's left wrist, Aspinall dipped his arm to block a body kick so Gane opted to post defensively.
And Tom turned his head into it while throwing his left hook.

Stop coping for a cheater. Gane was clearly focusing straight at Tom's face while locking the target. Once he felt his eyeballs he pushed in further instinctively because that's what habitual dirty cheaters do.