The evangelical vote

[IGIT]

Joe Biden gave birth to Hunter Biden?

Neat.

hiya HereticBD,

i figure the wingnuts would like to blame Neilia, but what fun is that? she's been dead for half a century.

- IGIT

 

[IGIT]

hi HOLA,

when Donald Trump said, "two corinthians", i thought for a moment he was introducing a joke. as in, "two corinthians walk into a bar...".

- IGIT

 

[Deleted member 579584]

Hardcore Christians are mostly vote for Trump. They have seen what dems have done in the last couple months.

 

[IGIT]

If you thinking voting for Joe Biden is a good idea ... you haven’t been paying attention.

hiya Goonerview,

well my friend, what i've wanted is the most extreme socialist that the Democrats could jettison from their loins. i wanted a firebrand lefty...Che Guevara on steroids.
i wanted someone would shake the foundations of US capitalism and embark on a crusade to redistribute the bounty of this country!

i wanted an AVATAR of Black Lives Matter. i wanted to see OCCUPY WALL STREET take the form of a sentient being!!!

that's why i support Joe Biden, former Vice President of these United States.

- IGIT

 

[Yehudim]

It’s rather funny watching the usual hacks pointing out that Trump isnt a Christian and therefore drawing the conclusion that evangelicals are stupid, when evangelicals are probably the only people who haven’t had broken promises these last 4 years.

Trump may be a charlatan, but his actions vis a vis religious freedom and foreign policy towards Israel make him the obvious candidate

Oh, and evangelicals aren’t Catholics and Catholics aren’t evangelicals. Biden being religious has very little impact on those voters, since they don’t even really view it as the same religion.

 

[IGIT]

It’s rather funny watching the usual hacks pointing out that Trump isnt a Christian...

hi Yehudim, its great to make your acquaintance!

my OP didn't mention no mention of the depth (or lack thereof) of Mr. Trump's religious convictions.

i was just pointing out that Mr. Biden seems pretty devout in his beliefs (though he's not much for tithing), and i was curious whether or not stuff like that is relevant to evangelicals.

- IGIT

PS - i was assuming we have some people of strong faith here in the War Room, so i was interested in their insight.

 

[IGIT]

BLM and dems are more militant than the Evangelicals of the 90s

hey there my friend!

First, far-right terrorism has significantly outpaced terrorism from other types of perpetrators, including from far-left networks and individuals inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaeda.

Right-wing attacks and plots account for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994, and the total number of right-wing attacks and plots has grown significantly during the past six years. Right-wing extremists perpetrated two thirds of the attacks and plots in the United States in 2019 and over 90 percent between January 1 and May 8, 2020.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states

- IGIT

 

[andnowweknow]

hey there my friend!

First, far-right terrorism has significantly outpaced terrorism from other types of perpetrators, including from far-left networks and individuals inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaeda.

Right-wing attacks and plots account for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994, and the total number of right-wing attacks and plots has grown significantly during the past six years. Right-wing extremists perpetrated two thirds of the attacks and plots in the United States in 2019 and over 90 percent between January 1 and May 8, 2020.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states

- IGIT

You're responding to someone who thinks the FBI is full of democrats hell bent on Trump's annihilation. Enjoy.

 

[Grenz]

hi and nice to meet you, Grenz,

i don't think US evangelicals ponder the location of the US embassy in Israel very much. the most devout christian folk in our land of milk and honey seem most concerned about the flow of shekels.

- IGIT

I’m operating under the assumption that their cultish belief in the return of Jesus is the overarching factor in their decisions. Apparently, in order for Jesus to return, all Jews have to be in Israel (I’m hazy on what happens after that, something about judgment and paradise on earth). Thus, strong support for Israel from a US administration would be a key driver of the return of Jesus and the move of the embassy, was undoubtedly a pro-Israel move. I also think that they’re somewhat reluctant to discuss this openly, for obvious reasons.

 

[IGIT]

I’m operating under the assumption that their cultish belief in the return of Jesus is the overarching factor in their decisions. Apparently, in order for Jesus to return, all Jews have to be in Israel (I’m hazy on what happens after that, something about judgment and paradise on earth). Thus, strong support for Israel from a US administration would be a key driver of the return of Jesus and the move of the embassy, was undoubtedly a pro-Israel move. I also think that they’re somewhat reluctant to discuss this openly, for obvious reasons.

hi Grenz,

its off topic, but i'm curious; what happens to the Jews living in the United States at the moment of Jesus' return? like, if i'm Jewish and in Brooklyn, am i left out of all the good things that will happen?

- IGIT

 

[terrapin]

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.

Combined with thou shalt not murder makes it pretty clear.

why not address the actual scriptures he is referring too though?

 

[terrapin]

I’m operating under the assumption that their cultish belief in the return of Jesus is the overarching factor in their decisions. Apparently, in order for Jesus to return, all Jews have to be in Israel (I’m hazy on what happens after that, something about judgment and paradise on earth). Thus, strong support for Israel from a US administration would be a key driver of the return of Jesus and the move of the embassy, was undoubtedly a pro-Israel move. I also think that they’re somewhat reluctant to discuss this openly, for obvious reasons.

even if someone believes all of this is true i still don't see the reasons behind supporting immoral actions in the hope that it helps fulfill scripture. the actual prophecies could still be 2000 years away and two wrongs dont make a right.

 

[Grenz]

hi Grenz,

its off topic, but i'm curious; what happens to the Jews living in the United States at the moment of Jesus' return? like, if i'm Jewish and in Brooklyn, am i left out of all the good things that will happen?

- IGIT

You’re not asking the right question. In the scenario where Jesus makes literally the biggest comeback in history, all Jews would already be back in Israel. What you should be asking is: what happens to the Jews once Jesus returns? Do they become Christians? Do they get auto-converted? What if they don’t want that and decide to stick to their Jewish ways? Do they go to hell? I’m pretty sure nobody is entirely clear on those details. I can only think of one person on this board who could possibly have an answer, but alas, TCK has been taken from us.

 

[Grenz]

even if someone believes all of this i still don't see the reasons behind supporting immoral actions in the hope that it helps fulfill scripture. the actual prophecies could still be 2000 years away and two wrongs dont make a right.

Which would imply some degree of rational thought. Let’s remember who and what we’re talking about here.

 

[IGIT]

You’re not asking the right question. In the scenario where Jesus makes literally the biggest comeback in history, all Jews would already be back in Israel. What you should be asking is: what happens to the Jews once Jesus returns? Do they become Christians? Do they get auto-converted? What if they don’t want that and decide to stick to their Jewish ways? Do they go to hell? I’m pretty sure nobody is entirely clear on those details. I can only think of one person on this board who could possibly have an answer, but alas, TCK has been taken from us.

hi Grenz,

its true.

i haven't considered the greater ramifications (of Jesus returning).

i just figured all would be overwhelmed by his excellence and we'd just kind of fall into line.

*muses*

- IGIT

 

[Cygnus A]

blows my mid that Christians vote for T. Do they even read the bible?

 

[PainIsLIfe]

why not address the actual scriptures he is referring too though?

What scripture did he post? Hint, he didn't.

I'll assume he's referring to the book of 2Kings that chronicles the acts of he various kings of Israel. Notice what Menahem did and what is said about what he did:

16 Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.

17 In the nine and thirtieth year of Azariah king of Judah began Menahem the son of Gadi to reign over Israel, and reigned ten years in Samaria.

18 And he did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord: he departed not all his days from the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin.

 

[terrapin]

What scripture did he post? Hint, he didn't.

I'll assume he's referring to the book of 2Kings that chronicles the acts of he various kings of Israel. Notice what Menahem did and what is said about what he did:

16 Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.

17 In the nine and thirtieth year of Azariah king of Judah began Menahem the son of Gadi to reign over Israel, and reigned ten years in Samaria.

18 And he did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord: he departed not all his days from the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin.

so you don't even know what scripture they are referring to, are not curious enough to ask and yet still make the claim that it is not in there?

i don't really have an opinion on this and haven't looked into it that deep. many scholars believe it is a direct prescription for abortion but of course there will be apologist doing everything they can to make it sound like that is not the case.

this comes after drinking the prescribed drink offered by the priest.




Numbers chapter 5
Here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the LORD cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.” Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.” (NIV)

 

[terrapin]

^^^^^^

you might also be interested in the fact that biblical historians are certain that if you go back far enough to at and before the time that abraham was asked to sacrifice his child by God that human sacrifice was a regular practice by the semetic peoples.

 

[jeremyemilio]

hi everyone!

the election is upon is and as the day fast approaches, there's a voting bloc that has proven indestructible over the past few decades for the GOP; the mighty evangelical christian vote.

i was curious - why do you think they're rallying to President Trump over former VPOTUS Biden?

i can understand why they'd support Bush 1 over Mike Dukakis. Mr. Bush was a war hero, displayed folksy humility, was married to someone who looked very ancient, and seemed like an all-around good guy (with the exception of his decades long efforts to destabilize Central America, which were almost certainly war crimes). plus, Dukakis had a funny looking picture taken of him in a tank.

i can understand why they'd supported Bush 2 over Al Gore. the younger Bush was a born again christian and an amiable former drunk. plus, evangelicals were probably nauseated by the scandalous behavior of outgoing President Clinton, what with the blowjob and blue dress and associated terribleness.

i can even understand why they'd support Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton - since its commonly understood that Mrs. Clinton was the most villainous, mephistophelian entity to exist in human existence. due to her rampant and unbridled corruption evangelicals had no choice, afterall.

which brings us to the here and now.

Joe Biden, a catholic, attends mass every sunday (roughly one in five Americans attends religious services weekly). he carries a rosary in his pocket.

"All of you remind me of how Scripture describes a calling born out of the wilderness," Biden told the virtual audience. "A calling to serve, not to be served. A calling toward justice, healing, hope — not hate. To speak the good news, and followed by some good deeds. It's not just enough to speak the good news, but good deeds."

Sister Carol Keehan, who's often credited as a key player in the passage of the Affordable Care Act when she was president of the Catholic Health Association, agreed.
"He's very clear about justice," she said. "When Joe Biden talks about faith, he talks very much about things like the Gospel of Matthew — 'what you've done to the least of my brother, you've done to me.' "

Friends and staffers say Biden focuses on faith, rather than religious doctrine; he prays with voters, rather than proselytizes.


is Joe Biden perfect? like, is he a saint? no...i'm not saying that. he has, at the very least, given birth to Hunter Biden, which to some constitutes a treasonous offense. i get it. but other than that, doesn't Joe seem like someone who sort of believes in God? like, its part of his life, and if its a charade, he's managed to keep the act up for quite a while.

why are evangelicals rejecting Mr. Biden for Mr. Trump?

- IGIT

The Evangelical support for the GOP (and conservative parties in other parts of the world) is overstated. People who align more closely with progressive values are much less likely to define themselves as evangelicals... even if they attend the same churches as evangelicals and volunteer and worship alongside of evangelicals.

I'm not saying there's no correlation. But it's not as monolithic as often portrayed.

Walk into most Evangelical churches and conduct a truly anonymous survey on a range of topics, and you'll find out that an awful lot of them align with progressives on LGBTQ+ issues, women's rights, social programs, the economy, and more.

(Abortion is still somewhat more of a sticky topic, and likely will remain so for a long time.)

But when those people are called in polling efforts, they don't declare themselves as Evangelicals because that word carries connotations with which they don't identify.