So far MVP has...

[surgeyou1]

MVP is boring as shit.

Let him fight Khamzat at 185 if he thinks he can play or give him belal and both these guys will rag doll him.

Instead we got to watch MVP bouncing for 15 minutes.

MVP is boring but you want to see him dry humped by Belal?

 

[FreedomCricket]

MVP is boring but you want to see him dry humped by Belal?

Yeah. So we don't have to watch any more MVP fights.

He throws 12 strikes a round and doesn't engage. At least Belal will strike and engage and dry hump.

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

That’s why fighters learn, evolve and adapt given some of their decline in physical attributes.

Every single PrideFC who came over were not out of their prime, maybe a few like Wanderlei & Gomi..

Shogun Rua was 27yrs old and his career was just getting started, but one loss to Forrest suddenly he’s out of his prime

CroCop who was coming off his best run and looked like a killer 6 months prior comes to the UFC and suddenly he’s out of his prime.

Its ducking coping mechanism always was.

Shogun Rua looked the best his entire career during the Machida bouts

Fighters nowadays are slowly obliterating that notion of age being out of their primes talk. Randy Coutures, Anderson Silva set a scale for it, Pereira, Cormiers, Jon Jones, the Merab, Makhachevs. Hell even Jose Aldo is not getting wrecked like the Fedors and CroCops in a weight class where age is a detriment.

I don’t believe in that out of prime shit one bit, never did. I always sided with the better fighter won that night, something that is missing with fans of fighters today when they lose.

LOL Cro Cop was already post mid-30's. "Right in his prime". I'm only speaking from experience training with mma pros for the last 20 years. There are primes, and getting old (i.e., the closer to 40 you are) is OVERWHELMINGLY "past your prime"/best years/best athletic abilities you are.
You're looking at this very black/white for some reason. There's nuance and exceptions, but denying the general rule (reality) is a weird take.

Also, Shogun with blown knees means "in his prime still". Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.

"I don’t believe in that out of prime shit one bit, never did. I always sided with the better fighter won that night,"
-So Fedor at 44 is the same fighter he was at 30. . . . and he's only losing as an oldie NOT because he's (well past) his prime, but because he's simply not the better fighter anymore.
This is 7 year old logic.

 

[jsbx45]

Is that really your take?

How is that a bad summary of what happened?

 

[HNIC215]

How is that a bad summary of what happened?

It's fine... I was confused by his use of the word "outclassed".

That definition struck me as odd.

 

[jeff7b9]

LOL.
This is 7 year old logic.

Yeah. That was a wildly retarded take for a 2006 account, someone who has been a fight fan for 18+ years.

But at this point he has dug his heels in, doubled and tripled down and painted himself into a corner.
Now resorting to "exception proves the rule I made up" levels of false logic.

Bernard Hopkins won a world title fight at 49 years old, therefore all those guys for the last 100+ years who began losing more often in their late 30s are just making excuses to cope with the fact that they have insufficient skills.

Appeals to logic, common sense or well established patterns will fall on deaf ears at this point.



This thread is dripping with content that would fit in well in the Mayberry "Times when I am right and the entire rest of the world is wrong" thread.

 

[BetoG695]

Beat the fuck out of Holland. 45-70'd him.
Outclassd Ian Garry on the feet. He lost but Garry had no idea how to handle him standing.
Went up to 185 and outclassed one of the top prospects and strikers there. Like Garry, Shara had no idea how to solve the puzzle.
And the guy is 38 and past his best days.
Super impressed and happy for him. Always thought he was one of the best talent outside the UFC. He won't be champion but dude is definitely proving he belongs.

he got out wrestled by paul daley.... mvp is ok when you give him someone slow to stand infront of him.

 

[haj02]

I've got to eat my hat and say he's better than I thought although Daley beat him regardless of what is written in the records. I really thought he'd get found out as soon as he got to the UFC and he's shown himself to be much better than I expected.

 

[Alpha_T83]

I hope MVP is getting paid. He deserves it.

 

[richardjohnson]

Yeah. So we don't have to watch any more MVP fights.

He throws 12 strikes a round and doesn't engage. At least Belal will strike and engage and dry hump.

I like watching MVP fight because he has a unique style and there is always a chance he lands something big like the Cyborg Santos fight but I’m confused by these fans who act like he’s some all action fighter. The guy has been in plenty of snoozers over the years.

 

[El Fernas]

A pity he wasn't in the UFC sooner but it's always a treat watching him fight. I think the UFC should just give him fun stylistic fights at this point in his career.

Adesanya sounds like a good one, zero TD threat.

 

[sonhow]

he got out wrestled by paul daley.... mvp is ok when you give him someone slow to stand infront of him.

Nah MVP counter wrestled him. Thats why its a win for Page on the record

 

[sonhow]

And to all of you who want kos give MVP a can -he will give you a ko lol

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

"Bernard Hopkins won a world title fight at 49 years old, therefore all those guys for the last 100+ years who began losing more often in their late 30s are just making excuses to cope with the fact that they have insufficient skills."

Friggin nailed it.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Is that really your take?

Okay you're hating now.

I saw you say he's mid tier and pick Shara bullet. He made Sharabullet look easy. In the UFC his striking is absolutely top tier. No one in mw or ww can stand with him he's a top tier striker

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

i remember when the general consensus here was that he was a can lol

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

That’s why fighters learn, evolve and adapt given some of their decline in physical attributes.

Every single PrideFC who came over were not out of their prime, maybe a few like Wanderlei & Gomi..

Shogun Rua was 27yrs old and his career was just getting started, but one loss to Forrest suddenly he’s out of his prime

CroCop who was coming off his best run and looked like a killer 6 months prior comes to the UFC and suddenly he’s out of his prime.

Its ducking coping mechanism always was.

Shogun Rua looked the best his entire career during the Machida bouts

Fighters nowadays are slowly obliterating that notion of age being out of their primes talk. Randy Coutures, Anderson Silva set a scale for it, Pereira, Cormiers, Jon Jones, the Merab, Makhachevs. Hell even Jose Aldo is not getting wrecked like the Fedors and CroCops in a weight class where age is a detriment.

I don’t believe in that out of prime shit one bit, never did. I always sided with the better fighter won that night, something that is missing with fans of fighters today when they lose.

if you don't believe in primes why did Mike Tyson lose to Jake Paul? because Jake Paul is just the better fighter? not because Mike Tyson is old enough to be his grandfather?

 

[volcom5]

if you don't believe in primes why did Mike Tyson lose to Jake Paul? because Jake Paul is just the better fighter? not because Mike Tyson is old enough to be his grandfather?

That is an entirely different situation.

Maybe I need to my myself clear, whenever a fighter losses everyone always uses the excuse of out of their primes, fighters who are still clearly capable. Not some 50+ yr old.

I’m talking fighters like Aldo who eas casted out after a loss to Mcgregor,
Holloway who loss to Volkanovski.

People are just too quick to jump on the out of prime shit.

When a fighter very very clearly has loss a step not the way Adesanya has, he’s just losing to better fighter as he’s still doing well in the bouts.

I don’t know if I can explain it, English is not my first language.

 

[Dorkman]

He's truly one of the best strikers the UFC has seen. Anderson Silva level. Wonder how he'd do against Pereira, that's probably too big of a step up, but I'm curious to see it.

Think he'd struggle against Alex's calf kick set up. There's no tell or hip turn over to alex's kick to give him an easy tell to pull that heavily stood on front leg. Not to mention the massive power disparity would be on display. They mentioned on the brooadcast how that bladed stance loses agency against the cage where it dosen't move laterally quite as well. And Alex's game and leg kicks perfectly angle his prey into the cage for him to corner. MVP's lead leg would be in extreme danger. If he loses that wheel, good chance he's getting wrangled into that hook and clubbed.

 

[HNIC215]

Okay you're hating now.

I think you missed my follow up comment.

Where I say the word "outclassed" used by another commenter confused me.

I saw you say he's mid tier and pick Shara bullet. He made Sharabullet look easy. In the UFC his striking is absolutely top tier. No one in mw or ww can stand with him he's a top tier striker

I still would do the same...

It's not hate, that's just my opinion.

I don't care for MVP or Shara but I think Shara has more talent in MMA than MVP.

MVP is highly overrated in my opinion. I feel like his awkward style causes more difficulty for his opponents than actual talent.

Even in this past fight, Shara just stood there and did absolutely nothing - hence the memes of Shara being absolutely still.



MVP did what with his "top tier striking"? Absolutely nothing.

He jumped in threw a punch or elbow and just ran around for most of the fight.

Mike Perry gave MVP trouble lol


I would rate MVP as C+ tier fighter and no where near the top of MMA.

Just my opinion - no feelings involved in that analysis.