So far MVP has...

Beat the fuck out of Holland. 45-70'd him.
Outclassd Ian Garry on the feet. He lost but Garry had no idea how to handle him standing.
Went up to 185 and outclassed one of the top prospects and strikers there. Like Garry, Shara had no idea how to solve the puzzle.
And the guy is 38 and past his best days.
Super impressed and happy for him. Always thought he was one of the best talent outside the UFC. He won't be champion but dude is definitely proving he belongs.
He's fun to watch when kept away from any decent wrestler. I don't çare how many idiots say him and wonderboy would be boring NONE of his UFC fights have been action packed, I want to see who's the best karate jumping style guy.
 
Because age isn’t as much of a factor as everyone is making it out to be. It’s coping mechanism anytime their favorite fighters lose.

I blame all the PrideFC fan girls who couldn’t cope with their favs losing so they created the “out of prime” bullshit by using their ages.

MMA isn’t like the other sports when it comes to age where physical attributes play a big part. In MMA it’s your skill set that has much more to do with it. Skills don’t decline and you also can learn them.
Get back to us when you’re 35+ dude. Former athlete here by the way. Skills may not decline but everything else does and physical attributes play a huge factor in MMA too.

Look what happens when dudes like Izzy and Anderson slow down. Look what happens when cardio machines like Colby lose their cardio. Power is the only thing that doesn’t seem to go away with the rest.
 
Get back to us when you’re 35+ dude. Former athlete here by the way. Skills may not decline but everything else does and physical attributes play a huge factor in MMA too.

Look what happens when dudes like Izzy and Anderson slow down. Look what happens when cardio machines like Colby lose their cardio. Power is the only thing that doesn’t seem to go away with the rest.

Jose Aldo Jr is in a weight class where age is a detriment and he was told to retire out of his prime 10yrs ago, yet he was still out in the past 10 years still doing to the damn thing almost capturing gold a few times whilst not getting fucking wrecked like the Colby’s and Adesanyas, while still being competitive. The current champion Merab in the BW couldn’t do to Aldo what he has done to the rest division, yes he won but not as dominant as he did to the rest of bums.
 
That's a bit much...
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"Completely dominates" LOL
anyone who watched these fights knows that during the striking portions of the fight page landed the better strikes while he does throw less he takes zero damage and lands more clean strikes than his opponent by quite a bit.

Bet he beats leon edwards too.
 
anyone who watched these fights knows that during the striking portions of the fight page landed the better strikes while he does throw less he takes zero damage and lands more clean strikes than his opponent by quite a bit.

Bet he beats leon edwards too.
His size, reach and awkwardness are what makes him good difficult.


I disagree with your take though. I think Leon is a much better technical striker - not to mention a former champion.

I wouldn't mind seeing them face off.
 
Jose Aldo Jr is in a weight class where age is a detriment and he was told to retire out of his prime 10yrs ago, yet he was still out in the past 10 years still doing to the damn thing almost capturing gold a few times whilst not getting fucking wrecked like the Colby’s and Adesanyas, while still being competitive. The current champion Merab in the BW couldn’t do to Aldo what he has done to the rest division, yes he won but not as dominant as he did to the rest of bums.
Aldo was one of the best ever in his prime. He’s still good but he’s very clearly lost a step. Father Time waits for no man, especially not elite athletes. Every fighter ages differently but they all age.
 
Aldo was one of the best ever in his prime. He’s still good but he’s very clearly lost a step. Father Time waits for no man, especially not elite athletes. Every fighter ages differently but they all age.
Maybe you’re seeing my Geist of why I say I don’t subscribe to the whole “out of prime” posts. It’s just people are too quick to jump to that conclusion whenever a fighter losses, it’s always that same old excuse. That’s why I use Aldo as an example, people wrote him off, when in reality he adapted and evolve, exponentially worked in his Boxing and Striking defense as leg injuries hindered him, that’s what great elite fighters do, adapt. That’s why I say Adesanya I don’t think is done, Page is probably done, but his skillset is hard for anyone similar to S.Thompson.

MMA to me isn’t like the NFL where it’s common athletes are done in their early 30’s, I think skillset and fighting style can stand through the later for fighters but that’s dependent on their fighting style, a guy like Gaethje isn’t going to last but fighters like Makhachev l skillsets are ahead of their opponents that the gap in age and decline of physical will not hinder them that much.

Not sure if you watch the NFL, but one of the league running MVP is S.Barkley who plays for the Eagles which is a team going into Superb Owl, was considered washed for a few years now, ACL surgeries and ankle injuries made everyone believe he was done which made a team in NY Giants trade him. This year he’s putting up numbers at HOF level. IMO it’s just circumstances and people are just too quick to count out these athletes without ever giving them a chance based on age and or past performances.

Not even sure if I’m making sense here but, my point is. I don’t count out fighters like many people do on here based on age and consider them wash when they lose after a nice streak when clearly they still have the abilities, imo it’s coping mechanism.

In the end it’s my opinion.
 
Maybe you’re seeing my Geist of why I say I don’t subscribe to the whole “out of prime” posts. It’s just people are too quick to jump to that conclusion whenever a fighter losses, it’s always that same old excuse. That’s why I use Aldo as an example, people wrote him off, when in reality he adapted and evolve, exponentially worked in his Boxing and Striking defense as leg injuries hindered him, that’s what great elite fighters do, adapt. That’s why I say Adesanya I don’t think is done, Page is probably done, but his skillset is hard for anyone similar to S.Thompson.

MMA to me isn’t like the NFL where it’s common athletes are done in their early 30’s, I think skillset and fighting style can stand through the later for fighters but that’s dependent on their fighting style, a guy like Gaethje isn’t going to last but fighters like Makhachev l skillsets are ahead of their opponents that the gap in age and decline of physical will not hinder them that much.

Not sure if you watch the NFL, but one of the league running MVP is S.Barkley who plays for the Eagles which is a team going into Superb Owl, was considered washed for a few years now, ACL surgeries and ankle injuries made everyone believe he was done which made a team in NY Giants trade him. This year he’s putting up numbers at HOF level. IMO it’s just circumstances and people are just too quick to count out these athletes without ever giving them a chance based on age and or past performances.

Not even sure if I’m making sense here but, my point is. I don’t count out fighters like many people do on here based on age and consider them wash when they lose after a nice streak when clearly they still have the abilities, imo it’s coping mechanism.

In the end it’s my opinion.
I actually agree with you. The notion someone sucks and their prime ended the second they got hit is dumb. I just wanted to say that it’s harder and harder to stay on top when you get older. I think MMA is much more physical than you but I do agree with you too.

I also hate now that we’re going to have to hear how Izzy sucks and was never good. I hate how mma is almost always “what have you done lately”. Most people on here think BJ Penn is a can for example..
 
Because age isn’t as much of a factor as everyone is making it out to be. It’s coping mechanism anytime their favorite fighters lose.

I blame all the PrideFC fan girls who couldn’t cope with their favs losing so they created the “out of prime” bullshit by using their ages.

MMA isn’t like the other sports when it comes to age where physical attributes play a big part. In MMA it’s your skill set that has much more to do with it. Skills don’t decline and you also can learn them.
In UFC history, for 125lb-170lbs, only Woodley & Belal have ever won a UFC title fight while being 35 & older. No other fighters, challenger or champ, have won a UFC title fight for those 5 weight classes. Woodley did it against Maia, whom was even older than him, & vs Till, a win that aged badly as Till immediately lost 5 of his next 6 fights & was cut (his lone win was a split decision). So Belals recent win was the only impressive win for a 35 or older fighter, in a UFC title fight competing at 125-170. Theres no way in hell its just a coincidence that none of these old guys can win in a title fight, as either challenger or champ. At 185, 205, & HW, age is less of a issue
 
Because age isn’t as much of a factor as everyone is making it out to be. It’s coping mechanism anytime their favorite fighters lose.

I blame all the PrideFC fan girls who couldn’t cope with their favs losing so they created the “out of prime” bullshit by using their ages.

MMA isn’t like the other sports when it comes to age where physical attributes play a big part. In MMA it’s your skill set that has much more to do with it. Skills don’t decline and you also can learn them.
Lmao what in the actual fuck is this take? Your hormones change. Your reflexes decline, you've taken so much damage that your chin is shot. If age isn't that much of a factor, Floyd Mayweather wouldn't be getting tagged by lower level dudes now that he's in his 40s. If age wasn't a factor, Anderson Silva and a ton of others would still reign supreme. You're wild lol. Tell me I'm crazy, but I know I'm right.
 
Beat the fuck out of Holland. 45-70'd him.
Outclassd Ian Garry on the feet. He lost but Garry had no idea how to handle him standing.
Went up to 185 and outclassed one of the top prospects and strikers there. Like Garry, Shara had no idea how to solve the puzzle.
And the guy is 38 and past his best days.
Super impressed and happy for him. Always thought he was one of the best talent outside the UFC. He won't be champion but dude is definitely proving he belongs.

Oh come on, stop being objective: the guy is overrated, b league material, never faced real competitors etc etc...
 
I don't care, fight was absolutely terrible. There was no winner and we as fans were the losers. Just fucking terrible.
 
A pity he wasn't in the UFC sooner but it's always a treat watching him fight. I think the UFC should just give him fun stylistic fights at this point in his career.
I agree, but I suppose he was making good money fighting lower opponents in bellator. I read somewhere that Aaron Pico was making high 6digits on each fight, so I would suspect MVP wasn't too far either
 
Think he'd struggle against Alex's calf kick set up. There's no tell or hip turn over to alex's kick to give him an easy tell to pull that heavily stood on front leg. Not to mention the massive power disparity would be on display. They mentioned on the brooadcast how that bladed stance loses agency against the cage where it dosen't move laterally quite as well. And Alex's game and leg kicks perfectly angle his prey into the cage for him to corner. MVP's lead leg would be in extreme danger. If he loses that wheel, good chance he's getting wrangled into that hook and clubbed.

Not to mention the size difference he could just bully MVP. Maybe a prime MVP with 100% reflexes could zip in and out and time the calf kicks. Shara tried and he's a good kicker himself and couldn't get anything going.

Because MVP relies on a single direction he basically has to run away once he gets back in the cage. Now that I think about it, it's probably why his TDD is so poor, his style relies on space where most strikers use the cage as backup to frame against it.
 
MVP will get the belt when he is 40 :)
 
It's Bellator's fault he got the can crusher label. Could have been a superstar for them if they promoted him in big fights

What big fights would you have envisioned? They did match him up versus Paul Daley and Douglas Lima. Outside of them, there was basically Koreschov (sp?), Rory MacDonald.. they didn't have a particularly deep division.
 
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