Elections Proposal to allow third term in office begin

[Cool Hand Luke]

It has been less than a week into Trump's presidency and there have already been quite a few actions where the response has been don't worry it will be DOA. Don't you think by virtue of that being such a frequent excuse that that in itself is an issue? I mean at best it is a waste and at worst eventually some shortsighted, possibly unconstitutional, things will eventually get through.

And politicians seem quite emboldened now. Perhaps they see how ravenous, perhaps cult-like, Trump's base is that they can get away with a lot of stuff they normally wouldn't be able to.

Edit: Someone fix this site please. Quoting isn't even working right.

Did you try and quote me? im having issues as well with the site when quoting, super frustrating.

In any case, introducing legislation to allow a president a 3rd term is not exclusive to Trump and his sychophants - as my link shows, it has also been done for and by democrats. Point being, it was a DOA nothingburger then, it's one now, regardless of who is President.

 

[deviake]

Funnily enough, of all my issues with what Trump is doing and why it's obvious they're pushing for this, this is something I don't feel strongly about. Term limits were put in after FDR, who was so popular he won four terms. Ironically in juxtaposition to present day, Republicans were the ones not happy about that lol.

Edit: Never mind, I have a problem with this lol.

• Ogles' amendment would allow any president to serve a third term if their first two terms were non-consecutive.
• The text of the amendment would still prohibit a third term if the first two were consecutive — prohibiting former Presidents Bush, Obama and Clinton from running again — or a third full term for anyone who has served more than two years of someone else's term

Fack off men

 

[gspieler]

Some conservatives I have talked to actually like Vance but historically Vance has no chance. I think in like over 50+ years the only Vice President to become President was Bush 1 and his Presidency ended bad. Also, why the hell would anyone want Trump for a third term? The people that want this know he will be 81 or 82 by the time his Presidency ends, right? One of the biggest problems the MAGA crew has is no one can lead MAGA ideology other than Trump. They have tried this in smaller races and it does not necessarily pan out well.

I think that's more correlation than causation. Bush Sr would've won in '92 without Perot on the ballot. Gore lost via sp!it decision, with virtually no charisma, and at the onset of a recession. Most VP picks seem like they're generally not the type to be elected POTUS; not that the public would specifically not vote for someone because they were a VP.

 

[irish_thug]

Trump isn't making it to the end of this term. He'll retire in the final year and hand the keys over to JD, so JD can give him a presidential pardon.

 

[Satsui Ryu]

Did you try and quote me? im having issues as well with the site when quoting, super frustrating.

In any case, introducing legislation to allow a president a 3rd term is not exclusive to Trump and his sychophants - as my link shows, it has also been done for and by democrats. Point being, it was a DOA nothingburger then, it's one now, regardless of who is President.

Looking at that article it sounds like that guy just wanted to abolish term limits because he thought it would be more democratic. He even proposed it during Bush's term. Whereas this particular bill is tailor made with Trump in mind. It is being done to ensure a specific person holds power. That makes it more concerning.

But my main point was even if this is DOA, there have been a lot of proposals within just a few days that fall under this category. If this trend continues at what point does it become concerning that simply saying it's DOA does not cut it as an excuse. Again at best wasteful and at worst could something possibly make it through. There seems to be a reason why so many of these obvious DOA items are coming out the woodwork. Trump's base simply brushing these off probably has a lot to do with it in thay even if these fail there are no consequences to that.

 

[Beechwood]

It is hard to imagine that happening.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

Looking at that article it sounds like that guy just wanted to abolish term limits because he thought it would be more democratic. He even proposed it during Bush's term. Whereas this particular bill is tailor made with Trump in mind. It is being done to ensure a specific person holds power. That makes it more concerning.

But my main point was even if this is DOA, there have been a lot of proposals within just a few days that fall under this category. If this trend continues at what point does it become concerning that simply saying it's DOA does not cut it as an excuse. Again at best wasteful and at worst could something possibly make it through. There seems to be a reason why so many of these obvious DOA items are coming out the woodwork. Trump's base simply brushing these off probably has a lot to do with it in thay even if these fail there are no consequences to that.

While you're correct he felt abolishing term limits was more Democratic, don't forget the 2nd representative in the article stated :

Rep. Hoyer, Feb. 17, 2005: The time has come to repeal the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution, and not because of partisan politics. While I am not a supporter of the current President, I feel there are good public policy reasons for a repeal of this amendment. Under the Constitution as altered by the 22nd Amendment, this must be President George W. Bush’s last term even if the American people should want him to continue in office. This is an undemocratic result.

Under the resolution I offer today, President Bush would not be eligible to run for a third term. However, the American people would have restored to themselves and future generations an essential democratic privilege to elect who they choose in the future.

Point is, this isn't anything new and is more an optics thing than anything. The Republicans control the house, so it's to be expected lame brain legislation liked this will be introduced - asskissery and blind fealty is afoot but I don't think we're in any danger of Trump having any chance of a 3rd term, or any future President for that matter. You're free to feel concerned about this, but it's not worrisome to me.

 

[Bobby00]

Invading the known world is gonna take time so of course another term is needed. I find that a bit too optimistic. Lets just say President emperor until further notice.

 

[Darkavius]

I think that's more correlation than causation. Bush Sr would've won in '92 without Perot on the ballot. Gore lost via sp!it decision, with virtually no charisma, and at the onset of a recession. Most VP picks seem like they're generally not the type to be elected POTUS; not that the public would specifically not vote for someone because they were a VP.

If I remember correctly Bush 1 himself had the issue of a recession too during his presidency which tanked his hope of a second term. Plus Bush 1 only doubling down on a lot of the policies that made Reagan hated to this day such as The War on Drugs did not work. As far as Gore goes I don't remember the recession happening until 2001 post election, and Repubs stole that election if my memory serves me right. In any case, if anyone had the same type of charisma as Trump the Repubs should have easily found someone to replace Trump as the candidate, but they can't and I don't think Vance is the guy either.

Trump has that charisma which no one else in the Repub party has (man or woman). Hell, the only other major name with value in the Republican Party right now is Musk and he can't run for President since he is not a natural born citizen.

 

[Darkavius]

But my main point was even if this is DOA, there have been a lot of proposals within just a few days that fall under this category. If this trend continues at what point does it become concerning that simply saying it's DOA does not cut it as an excuse. Again at best wasteful and at worst could something possibly make it through. There seems to be a reason why so many of these obvious DOA items are coming out the woodwork. Trump's base simply brushing these off probably has a lot to do with it in thay even if these fail there are no consequences to that.

Yes, something can and will make it through but even if it is DOA part of why people love Trump is because it looks like he's doing something even if it is just ceremonial. Plus, come 2026 Repubs running for offices know they can try and win races if they tie their name to Trump. The bigger problem here the lack of Dem Party opposition and solutions. Please correct me if I am wrong but didn't Rubio become Secretary of State recently with almost no opposition?

Dems are in the worst position. They act they are against Repub politics but then vote for those same politics (i.e. Fetterman). Then when there are actually true alternatives to what Repubs present most Dems reject it (i.e. Medicare for All) even if it is popular with the public. This is why there isn't almost any "left" elected politicians in America for the most part. Just a bunch of dark red and light red politicians.

 

[Satsui Ryu]

While you're correct he felt abolishing term limits was more Democratic, don't forget the 2nd representative in the article stated :

Rep. Hoyer, Feb. 17, 2005: The time has come to repeal the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution, and not because of partisan politics. While I am not a supporter of the current President, I feel there are good public policy reasons for a repeal of this amendment. Under the Constitution as altered by the 22nd Amendment, this must be President George W. Bush’s last term even if the American people should want him to continue in office. This is an undemocratic result.

Under the resolution I offer today, President Bush would not be eligible to run for a third term. However, the American people would have restored to themselves and future generations an essential democratic privilege to elect who they choose in the future.

Point is, this isn't anything new and is more an optics thing than anything. The Republicans control the house, so it's to be expected lame brain legislation liked this will be introduced - asskissery and blind fealty is afoot but I don't think we're in any danger of Trump having any chance of a 3rd term, or any future President for that matter. You're free to feel concerned about this, but it's not worrisome to me.

I made it clear I am not worried about a Trump third term so I feel you are dancing around that fact. And your quote says this person wanted no term limits for everyone except Bush. Kind of different than tailoring a increase in term limits for a specific person's unique situation to keep a specific person in office.

But again... the term limits thing is not the specific concern. Point being Trump signing massive amounts of EO's the night of his inauguration and taking pot shots at the constitution within a week of a presidency is not the norm. And it is happening at lower levels as well. Hell there is a senator in Oklahoma who is trying to get porn completely banned in his state. For as much as we bitch about that I never would've thought anyone would attempt that. But one thing that we actually have seen in the past is in emotionally charged times with rabid bases shortsighted stuff gets approved. That is how we ended up in Iraq followed by the Patriot Act. And currently we are in very emotionally charged times with probably one of the most rabid bases ever and no doubt the politicians see this.

So no... I am not worried about a third Trump term. But I would not be surprised if we end up with a lot of stuff making it through that we end up regretting. And back to the OK porn thing I had a feeling if Trump made it to office one of the most emboldened groups would be evangelicals.