People thinking Miocic was bad vs Jones are stupid

Stipe wasn't even the same in the 2nd Ngannou fight, heck I think he had already lost a bit of his edge by the first Ngannou fight. Go back and watch Stipe's fights and tell me that he was just as good against Jones as he was in his Prime. Prime Stipe moved forward against almost everrybody he fought, even of they were whooping his ass he would kove forward. He was a pressure fighter. Against Jones he was moving backwards most of the fight, Jones isn't Ngannou, a Prime Stipe would not be moving backwards against Jones.

I watched all of Stipe's fights after the Jones fights and he was much faster in his Prime than he was later in his career, had slowed down significantly by the DC fights. Then being retired for 4 years, coming off a knockout and 42 years old...
But JJ is 37 years old, 5 years younger than Stipe. The difference isn't that big considering Cormier made into a trilogy vs Stipe when Cormier was 42 and Stipe was 37... And it was tough as nails for Stipe...

About ring rusty, the same is true for Jon Jones. Jon Jones fought Reyes one year before Stipe vs Ngannou, and then fought only Gane, which ended in 3 minutes... So JJ had barely a taste of HW yet, was as ring rusty as Stipe and had an injury which took him away from training for months, while Stipe, allegedly, kept training. Every issue Stipe had, also applied to JJ, except the KO loss to Francis... But again, even after being hit by 50 elbows from a 240 pounds HW JJ on the g&p, many of whom were in damaging positions, he was having moments of marching forwards and making it challenging for Jon Jones to evade it due to his overall precision in striking... Heck, if anything, he was as tough as possible due to being still somewhat threatening in the 2 and 3rd rounds in the striking only...

You can't expect someone to be as quick you and I have seen of prime Stipe after that first round. Before that, looking at his initial attempted punches, he looked pretty quick and sharp.
 
But JJ is 37 years old, 5 years younger than Stipe. The difference isn't that big considering Cormier made into a trilogy vs Stipe when Cormier was 42 and Stipe was 37... And it was tough as nails for Stipe...

About ring rusty, the same is true for Jon Jones. Jon Jones fought Reyes one year before Stipe vs Ngannou, and then fought only Gane, which ended in 3 minutes... So JJ had barely a taste of HW yet, was as ring rusty as Stipe and had an injury which took him away from training for months, while Stipe, allegedly, kept training. Every issue Stipe had, also applied to JJ, except the KO loss to Francis... But again, even after being hit by 50 elbows from a 240 pounds HW JJ on the g&p, many of whom were in damaging positions, he was having moments of marching forwards and making it challenging for Jon Jones to evade it due to his overall precision in striking... Heck, if anything, he was as tough as possible due to being still somewhat threatening in the 2 and 3rd rounds in the striking only...

You can't expect someone to be as quick you and I have seen of prime Stipe after that first round. Before that, looking at his initial attempted punches, he looked pretty quick and sharp.
That Jones has declined is an entirely separate question as to whether Stipe has declined though.
 
He looked horrible and the fight was a complete waste of time and did nothing for JBJ legacy. The fight basically does as much for JBJ legacy as DC beating Anderson does for him
 
But JJ is 37 years old, 5 years younger than Stipe. The difference isn't that big considering Cormier made into a trilogy vs Stipe when Cormier was 42 and Stipe was 37... And it was tough as nails for Stipe...

About ring rusty, the same is true for Jon Jones. Jon Jones fought Reyes one year before Stipe vs Ngannou, and then fought only Gane, which ended in 3 minutes... So JJ had barely a taste of HW yet, was as ring rusty as Stipe and had an injury which took him away from training for months, while Stipe, allegedly, kept training. Every issue Stipe had, also applied to JJ, except the KO loss to Francis... But again, even after being hit by 50 elbows from a 240 pounds HW JJ on the g&p, many of whom were in damaging positions, he was having moments of marching forwards and making it challenging for Jon Jones to evade it due to his overall precision in striking... Heck, if anything, he was as tough as possible due to being still somewhat threatening in the 2 and 3rd rounds in the striking only...

You can't expect someone to be as quick you and I have seen of prime Stipe after that first round. Before that, looking at his initial attempted punches, he looked pretty quick and sharp.
5 years in MMA can be absolutely massive. Early to mid 30s seems to be the sweet spot, 37 is a bit older but it depends on the person and also the weight class, not too bad for heavyweight. Pereira is 37 as well. Pantoja and Merab are 34, Belal is 36. 40's tho is a different story. A 42 year old Stipe who was retired for 3 years and had very little motivation aside from the pay day. He fittingly retired right after the fight but mentally he had been retired for years imo.

Only 2 guys have ever won a title fight in their 40s, Randy Couture and Glover. Couture was the only one for a long ass time and Glover had the benefit of being in a LHW division free of Jones, DC, Rumble etc..

Werdum was 38 when he lost to Stipe, Stipe was 38 when he lost to Ngannou, DC was 40 when he lost to Stipe and only won the belt in the first place because of the eye poke.

One last point of reference, Anderson Silva. When he was 37 he was still on his big win streak but at 38 he got ko'd and the only fight he won after that was a robbery despite fighting many more times. Stipe was not only old but he stepped aside for years.
 
but getting older doesn't always makes one worse.
unless you're talking about going from a baby to your mid 20's, it's all downhill from there

... and being a firefighter is not like being in training camp. If anything it's inching you closer and closer to respiratory illnesses. It probably diminished stipe even more from all the garbage firefighters breathe in. Many firefighters end up getting cancers cause they breathe in fumes and toxins up the wazoo. It's absolutely going to diminish somebody athletically at stipe's age
 
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But JJ is 37 years old, 5 years younger than Stipe. The difference isn't that big considering Cormier made into a trilogy vs Stipe when Cormier was 42 and Stipe was 37... And it was tough as nails for Stipe...

About ring rusty, the same is true for Jon Jones. Jon Jones fought Reyes one year before Stipe vs Ngannou, and then fought only Gane, which ended in 3 minutes... So JJ had barely a taste of HW yet, was as ring rusty as Stipe and had an injury which took him away from training for months, while Stipe, allegedly, kept training. Every issue Stipe had, also applied to JJ, except the KO loss to Francis... But again, even after being hit by 50 elbows from a 240 pounds HW JJ on the g&p, many of whom were in damaging positions, he was having moments of marching forwards and making it challenging for Jon Jones to evade it due to his overall precision in striking... Heck, if anything, he was as tough as possible due to being still somewhat threatening in the 2 and 3rd rounds in the striking only...

You can't expect someone to be as quick you and I have seen of prime Stipe after that first round. Before that, looking at his initial attempted punches, he looked pretty quick and sharp.
Sounds like you started watching MMA in 2024.

It's ok, usually you'll just get laughed at it mocked like the rest of the retards.

Stipe looking "quick and sharp" <lol><lol><lol><lol>
 
Jones haters need something outside of his personal life to desperately cling onto to diminish his legacy

They're some of the biggest losers ever, all they can do is make up false narratives and bring up things outside of his career to try and discredit his accomplishments in the sport

He's the greatest fighter we've ever seen and they can't stand it
 
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5 years in MMA can be absolutely massive. Early to mid 30s seems to be the sweet spot, 37 is a bit older but it depends on the person and also the weight class, not too bad for heavyweight. Pereira is 37 as well. Pantoja and Merab are 34, Belal is 36. 40's tho is a different story. A 42 year old Stipe who was retired for 3 years and had very little motivation aside from the pay day. He fittingly retired right after the fight but mentally he had been retired for years imo.

Only 2 guys have ever won a title fight in their 40s, Randy Couture and Glover. Couture was the only one for a long ass time and Glover had the benefit of being in a LHW division free of Jones, DC, Rumble etc..

Werdum was 38 when he lost to Stipe, Stipe was 38 when he lost to Ngannou, DC was 40 when he lost to Stipe and only won the belt in the first place because of the eye poke.

One last point of reference, Anderson Silva. When he was 37 he was still on his big win streak but at 38 he got ko'd and the only fight he won after that was a robbery despite fighting many more times. Stipe was not only old but he stepped aside for years.
Anderson Silva was as old as JJ will be when Anderson Silva lost. Then it's not like the following losses are due to age, but because one getting KO'd, you become more prone to be KO'd.... The wear and tear appears more and more. Adesanya is 35 but has far passed his peak. JJ has fought 30 matches in MMA with 90% + being in UFC, his 37 yo is not the same as everyone else's 37... Ppl do have different experiences, consequences from fights, etc... For example, Aspinall himself said that even though Max Holloway was never KO'd, the accumulated damage made him more susceptible to be KO'd by Topuria... And Max is what, 36? Tom Aspinall said that...

DC was actually 39 yo when he defeated Stipe... The when he lost to an unanimous decision, he was 41 years old, vs a Stipe who was 37. That's a fact, I just checked it. So Stipe had a hard fight, which was won in an unanimous decision, but it was still a hard and a struggle, with pretty much the same age gap as JJ had over him now. His win was not looked down upon... Even though DC was also brutally TKO'd by JJ, who head kicked him and followed with many punches to a fallen DC, DC had been KO'd the fight before by Miocic... Still, DC's last fight, as old as Stipe was vs JJ, vs a as ""young"" Stipe like the JJ who fought Stipe, got a hard win fight vs DC. The analogy makes completely sense, actually.

Rind dusty, again, was a factor for both. Both had pretty much the same level of inactivity outside the octagon. Oh ok JJ had 2 fights in between 2020 and 2024, while Stipe had 1... Only 1 fight more, which ended in a 3 minutes submission... While Miocic has always fought in the HW class, JJ pretty much hadn't fought more than 3 minutes in HW. Had a serious injury amidst the training camp, which also hindered him...

Again, it's easy to refute all that because I'm simply stating facts...
 
If Jones had fought Stipe after the latter lost to Francis as his first HW match in say 2021/22 I think that would have been fine, its the fight being for the belt in 2024 that people have a problem with and indeed the claims by Jones/the UFC that this was anything close to the best Stipe.
 
stipe just showed up for a paycheck.

he's been like that his whole career. never started beefs, never tried to sell a ppv, gave one word answers at press conferences/interviews.
 
You guys didn't watch the fight then. Try watching it in slow motion and you guys will see the level of technique and analysis by JJ and Miocic in their exchanges. You guys confuse a fight that's dynamic, that is, with both fighters varying positions a lot, to one that is mostly technical, and think that if the fighters aren't bouncing around, they are being slow. A fighter will adopt different approaches depending on the fight... Poatan was pretty stiff in terms of movements in his second fight vs Jiri Prochazka... In his fight vs Rountree, however, he looked way faster, way more dynamic... Which is not to say Rountree is better than Jiri Prochakza, only that they had different approaches.

Stipe slowed down after getting 50 elbows (literally) by a HW JJ, many from the vertical position... And even still, he managed to be threatening sometimes, with high accuracy punches while fainting the most important hits.. For example, in one moment, he pressed JJ in the second round, while he had already lost that speed he had initially because of the first round 50 elbows (which, mind you, generally 3, 4 well connected elbows from LHW JJ would wobble his opponents to the point they'd struggle to be in the fight, like Gustaffson... Which just highlights Stipe's huge toughness... Far from someone waiting to get retired) fainting and accuracy made it challenging for JJ, who also adopted his high level defensive skills to avoid most of them... And the ones Stipe landed clean, didn't wobble Jon Jones, which also highlights JJ's chin, who has never wobbled in a fight, as likely the best of all times. If you pause just when Miocic looks slow when rushing JJ in the second round, you'll notice the slower movements are more noticeable from the arms Stipe is fainting the hits with, whereas the arm used to hit JJ is already hitting home, though JJ noticed the faints and blocked the attacks that were tried to be hidden by the faints, most times.

Watching the fight in slow motion should give you guys a notion of the level of the assessments done by both fighters during those exchanges. In one moment for example, Stipe, when rushing, realized JJ would likely move one way and set the heavy hit expecting JJ to move that way... JJ realized that quickly and adjusted his movement not to move where Miocic was making him go... More specifically, Miocic had JJ close to the cage and set up a right hand because moving to the left would be an easier way for JJ to get out of the range, so he expected Jon Jones to go there... Though JJ realized the right hand was being set up and moved to Miocic's right side instead (in he moved to the left, due to lack of space, Miocic would have bigger chances of hitting him with a straight right, while moving to the right would give him the spacing he needed to avoid the, then, right hook)... Jon Jones knew he needed to get away the distance of his arm range not to get hit, so to use the small space of that cage side, he stretched his arms to slightly parry Miocic's right hand and, at the same time, set just where he should step slightly backwards, so he could safely not get hit... Miocic realized that, still, and although JJ's stretched arms bought him a fraction of time, which was enough to barely get out of the way of Miocic's right hand, Miocic still made it closer still because he realized JJ intended to parry him to get enough time, so Stipe slid his right hand just across JJ's stretched arm to make it land as soon as posible... But that still was enough time for JJ to project his body backwards and barely but still, dodge the punch...

Even in the final kick, Jon Jones knew that Miocic protected well enough the most damaging body parts when he had tried the spin back kick two times before, so JJ projected his body as if he'd throw a straight left, which he had done moments before, so Miocic quickly raised his hands... then JJ quickly turned the thrust into a spinning kick to land exactly where he wanted... Miocic realized that as he started to bring his raised arms down, and his right leg up... But JJ landed just before it in the ribs...

It looks slow on the surface, but those are high level set ups from Stipe to disguise the intended shot the most and anticipate the movement, and defensive skills from JJ to quickly know to get just enough out of range... It's's just funny how these MMA fans who call others stupid don't see the irony, as in, they don't take the time to look deeper and just tag along with twitter trends... Ppl that lack the ability to see beyond what it looks like on the surface. That's the difference between MMA entertainment fans that like MMA drama over MMA more serious analysts like Luke Thomas... Though the entertainers nowadays get more engagement because ppl, understandably so, want the lazy but more dopamine quick reward stuff.

I watched it at 4% speed.

And you're still fucking retarded.
 
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