News Mir picks Jones but says he will have a problem with speed

[SuperAlly]

The only thing you can go on is if they've been caught doping. Jones has been caught doping multiple time while others "who must be doping because everyone dopes" haven't. The only guilty ones have been caught, tried, and convicted, like Jon Jones.

Occams razor

While the other guy uses occams retard

 

[SuperAlly]

Jones beat Tom in the grappling easily. Probably even heel hooking for the victory. Calling it. Jones by easy sub.

You using a delorean or something else?

 

[SuperAlly]

I think you quoted the wrong guy

Correct

Was supposed to be post 13, the one immediately above yours

 

[SuperAlly]

I thought it was his front knee. I misremembered

The same argument has gone down on some other threads I've read

That's how I knew

 

[SuperAlly]

It's hilarious at this point.

Tom just doesn't have PicoJon shook, he's got Jon's whole damn fan base rattled and grasping at straws.

100%

Jon's fangirls are more terrified than Jon is of this fight happening

 

[SuperAlly]

Usually when a guy injuries one knee the other knee also gets injured. Jones took out both of Santos knees

Its no sstretching it would be no surprise for Jon to injur Tom too.

IMO that kick should be banned because it can ruin careers and lives relatively easy. Same reason eye gouging isn't allowed. It's cheap and effective with horrible consequences

You've used usually where I think you mean occasionally

 

[SuperAlly]

51% of athletes aren't doping?

Maybe if you include little league and AYSO.

This is like saying only 5% of teenagers smoke Marijuana because that is the amount that actually test positive for it. 85-90% is probably a low estimate for UFC fighters who have ever used steroids, sarms, or EPO.

No.

 

[SuperAlly]

 

[markg171]

We don't even know if Tom is even faster to begin with, and if he is whether that can even last for more than 5 minutes.

Jon meanwhile can keep the same pace he's worn down everybody with and has previously fought faster opponents and dealt with them with timing, technique, and grappling.

The entire intangible about this fight is simply whether or not Jon's aged enough to lose.

 

[markg171]

You could argue machida stunned him but it’s hard to say for sure. He also has never been hit by a giant heavyweight with crazy speed that is toppling other bigger men.

You don’t want to test your chin against a guy like that

It's somehow never mentioned that the guys Tom is KOing have a combined 17 KO losses. And that's without counting Volkov or Arlovski as he subbed them (though he did hurt Arlovski) which would otherwise bring it up to 31 KO losses. And who knows about his regional opponents.

Seems a tad important when questioning if it'll be a factor against somehow who's meanwhile never even been hurt before.

 

[AstralPanda]

You evidently still are

Very far from it.

My mind is malleable and Is subject to change at any moment when exposed to new data or offered things that allow a topic to be seen from new perspectives.

I don't hold strong convictions or cling to things.

Zeal is almost a cult like energy, very similar to fanatic, the origin of the word "fan"

Both of which denote strong emotion and attachment.

Many find their teams, their biases, convictions, political parties, whatever it may be, and cling to them, to the point where they seek out anything which validates those already established narratives while ignoring any counter information. Many end up spending a good portion of their lives within that echo chamber.

This is most people. Very few truly figure out how to cultivate an independent mind and think for themselves.

Which is in essence, what Bruce Lee was teaching when he said be like water.

 

[markg171]

Tom has been training grappling/BJJ since age 7. If Jones couldn't do anything with Santos, Reyes, and Miocic (who is not known for fighting off his back, none of them are actually), then why would he do better with a bigger, stronger guy who has been training sub defense for a long time?

Tom doesn't need to win by submission. He needs to avoid the takedown and if he does get taken down, he needs to get back up without serious injury. And he needs to KO/TKO Jones. It's not at all impossible, I think it's relatively likely.

Against Stipe, he did not show the gas tank to be wrestling-heavy for consecutive rounds, maybe he just has an early round and a championship round in him. That may not be enough as it is his only path to victory.

Sure would be embarrassing to post all this only to find out Tom's already been submitted before by a regional can.

It cannot be said often enough that the Tom in people's heads is not the Tom in reality.

 

[AstralPanda]

All irrelevant

There is no evidence 51% + of athletes are doping

You are an idiot for dying on this hill. Anyone who liked your post is equally as retarded as you are

None of those things are irrelevant actually. Those are all valid points and questions.

You simply don't have an intelligent response with your supposed expertise.

You're speaking generalities based on subjective, anecdotal experience, I asked for specifics on a variety of metrics, all of which have vastly different PED usage.

The "evidence" you're looking for also doesn't exist. It's a read between the lines type of situation that requires some level of critical thought.

For example, how much of the NFL do you think is using? Do you truly believe that it's a minority, simply because we don't have the proof of them testing positive?

this is the strange hill to die on.

A lot more top level athletes are using PEDs than you seem to acknowledge. One only needs to use their own eyes to see it.

Any bodybuilder worth their salt can tell you just how much PED use is going on within high level profesional sports.

Seems like you live in your own little world

 

[Megatronlee]

--Interesting that Mir rates wrestling over BJJ--


Mir said, “I would bet on Jon. I think Tom has quick hands, which gives him a better chance than most. I think Tom might have a better chance than anybody to beat Jon right now in the UFC. But that being said, I think Jon wins the fight just because of his wrestling. I think he puts Tom on his back and can nullify his jiu-jitsu from being in top position with his elbows and control.”

Mir also acknowledged Aspinall’s skills, noting that the Englishman has a good shot at victory. He pointed out that “Jones does have an issue with speed,” highlighting his vulnerabilities when it comes to agility, referencing his struggles in the first round against Lyoto Machida way back in 2011. Despite Jones winning that fight, Mir said Jones had a tough time due to Machida’s speed, describing it as a “chess match” rather than a “slugfest.”

“Jon Does Have an Issue…” – UFC Heavyweight Legend Lays Out Tom Aspinall’s Only Shot at Beating Jon Jones

A former UFC champion has just weighed in on the matter of Jon Jones vs. Tom Aspinall. Let's see what the veteran had to say!

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No he’s picking JONS top control Bjj over toms ability to get up off his back. He ain’t subbing jon.

 

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Mir respectfully said that if Tom doesn't get get a quick KO he's fucked

 

[Captain Herb]

Sure would be embarrassing to post all this only to find out Tom's already been submitted before by a regional can.

It cannot be said often enough that the Tom in people's heads is not the Tom in reality.

Oh really? When was that?

 

[markg171]

Oh really? When was that?

I'm not the idiot who said Tom won't be outgrappled because he's been doing BJJ since he was 7 when that's literally already happened by someone with far worse grappling than fucking Jon Jones of all people.

 

[Captain Herb]

I'm not the idiot who said Tom won't be outgrappled because he's been doing BJJ since he was 7 when that's literally already happened by someone with far worse grappling than fucking Jon Jones of all people.

I just checked for you, it was almost ten years ago in his 4th fight. Your information is not relevant imo.

 

[markg171]

I just checked for you, it was almost ten years ago in his 4th fight. Your information is not relevant imo.

Once again:

I'm not the idiot who said Tom won't be outgrappled because he's been doing BJJ since he was 7 when that's literally already happened by someone with far worse grappling than fucking Jon Jones of all people.

 

[Captain Herb]

Once again:

I'm not the idiot who said Tom won't be outgrappled because he's been doing BJJ since he was 7 when that's literally already happened by someone with far worse grappling than fucking Jon Jones of all people.

I guess you're taking Jones by submission. I'll take Tommy by KO. Now we just need the pussy to get a pair and sign the fight.