Khamzat is a monster but weight classes exist (...) vs Pereira

[MarioLemieux]

lol get real

Khamzat will take Alex down in the opening seconds and sub him. Love Alex but this is the worst matchup for him in the UFC save for maybe Jones or Tom.

 

[FloydMayweatherMMA]

Ankalaev is on a 13 fight winning streak and ranked #2 at LHW.

UFC is prone to some stupid matchmaking, but bringing up Chimaev to fight Poatan would be the winner in that category.

He's on a two fight winning streak.

He's on a 13 fight undefeated streak.

 

[FreddieRoachsVoice]

People seem to think Khamzat has as bad of a gas tank as Conor, yet his best wins are by decision. It's strange how people think he gasses after the 1st round and stands there like a punching bag the rest of the fight. You can watch his long grappling sessions or even watch Burns fight where he throws haymakers for 3 rounds, with the biggest output in last round. Not only that, he could do what he did to Whittaker for 5 rounds easy.

LOL so you conveniently leave out the Usman fight where he was completely gassed by the 3rd round and obviously could not do what he did to Whittaker for 5 rounds you can hype the guy as dangerous but saying he has a good gas tank is fundamentally untrue. Usman got up off the couch to take that fight at nearly 40 and he still had the better gas tank by a large margin. GTFO of here

 

[Tweak896]

LOL so you conveniently leave out the Usman fight where he was completely gassed by the 3rd round and obviously could not do what he did to Whittaker for 5 rounds you can hype the guy as dangerous but saying he has a good gas tank is fundamentally untrue. Usman got up off the couch to take that fight at nearly 40 and he still had the better gas tank by a large margin. GTFO of here

Why not mention his injury? He still scored 2/3 rounds by judges. Like I said you can find plenty of footage of him grappling or striking for 3 rounds. Wrestlers haven't had bad cardio since like Coleman. Maybe Romero but he obviously spends it other ways.

 

[plataoplombo]

I think Alex can take it. If he can deal with the takedown and manage to get up consistently, he should be good.

 

[wisdom blows]

Poatan was KOd last year at MW. He was also outgrappled by Izzy at MW. He doesn’t last 3 mins with Khamzat.

 

[djacobox372]

Alex is a monster, but grappling exists...

 

[chinarice]

LOL so you conveniently leave out the Usman fight where he was completely gassed by the 3rd round and obviously could not do what he did to Whittaker for 5 rounds you can hype the guy as dangerous but saying he has a good gas tank is fundamentally untrue. Usman got up off the couch to take that fight at nearly 40 and he still had the better gas tank by a large margin. GTFO of here

Imagine fucking believing Kamaru Usman just sits on his ass between fights.

He was and always is training. Don't be ridiculous.

 

[mkt]

Weidman, Rockhold and Adesanya ouldn't hang at LHW.
I don't think they could make WW like Khamzat, but he's not a champion like they were, so who knows.

To be fair, Weidman and Rockhold had already lost their chins and were getting KO'd regularly at MW before they tried LHW. Moving up in weight is never a good move if you can't take a punch or defend yourself properly against a good striker.

 

[wildchild88]

Except they aren't pure grappler or pure striker, they are cross trained. As such, there is no inherent advantage to being a grappler. The early UFCs were truly pure styles, and yes, grapplers won almost every time. But more recently, grappling domination is pretty much easily disproven with all of the champs and top guys that mostly strike; cross training totally changed that balance. The tide turned and started to even out after Mo Smith beat up Coleman at UFC 14.

No reason to be certain Alex couldn't survive the initial onslaught and knock him out. Kham would be way too tired to survive for 5 rounds if he couldn't finish him early.

They both cross train, but they are both masters in different areas.

Actually the very gop grapplers are still edging out the strikers in mma, Mackachev, Jones, Merab just completely shut down O’Malley.. Belal.

Perreira is still to fight a true wrestler / grappler, I line Perreira and he has developed super fast, but he can’t grappler with elite wrestlers, in the same way that they can’t strike with him.

 

[The XL]

Interestingly, the only fighters he's struggled with are Usman and Burns, both WWs

 

[Epsteins Guard]

im sure you meant a 2 fight winning streak. but what evs.

He obviously means a 13 fight unbeaten streak.

 

[Westbrick]

He had closes fights against grapplers and before he even started training with Saitiev.
Holland has better grappling than Pereira and he got destroyed in a round.

they all smalle and weaker.

 

[joy2day]

They both cross train, but they are both masters in different areas.

Actually the very gop grapplers are still edging out the strikers in mma, Mackachev, Jones, Merab just completely shut down O’Malley.. Belal.

Perreira is still to fight a true wrestler / grappler, I line Perreira and he has developed super fast, but he can’t grappler with elite wrestlers, in the same way that they can’t strike with him.

Still edging them out? They never were; a lot of people say that, but if you look at fight history, there were always dominant striking champs. As far as now, Illia, Max, Alex, Izzy, Shaun, DDP, Aspinall, Volk, O'malley, Pantoja, Leon Edwards, Ankalaev, on and on, lots of top fighters and champs that mostly strike. You won't make that point that grapplers are better with 2 examples because there are too many top fighters that aren't. Jones will get smashed by striker Aspinall, so he isn't even a good example.

Alex doesn't need to be as good of a grappler as Kham to win- he just needs to survive the first couple rounds until Kham tires. That's really the only question, whether Kham can finish him in the first couple rounds.

 

[wildchild88]

Still edging them out? They never were; a lot of people say that, but if you look at fight history, there were always dominant striking champs. As far as now, Illia, Max, Alex, Izzy, Shaun, DDP, Aspinall, Volk, O'malley, Pantoja, Leon Edwards, Ankalaev, on and on, lots of top fighters and champs that mostly strike. You won't make that point that grapplers are better with 2 examples because there are too many top fighters that aren't. Jones will get smashed by striker Aspinall, so he isn't even a good example.

Alex doesn't need to be as good of a grappler as Kham to win- he just needs to survive the first couple rounds until Kham tires. That's really the only question, whether Kham can finish him in the first couple rounds.

Most of the guys you listed aren’t strikers (besides Izzy and O’Malley), they are well rounded mma fighters. This convo is about fighters who specialise in a specific area. Most striking based fighters are gonna fold to elite level or Dagestani style wrestlers / grapplers.

Perreira has a chance because Glover is a great trainer, and Perreira is a weightless, or two heavier than Khamzat.

Perreira has never faced anyone close to Khamzats level in grappling.

I’d give edge to Khamzat, I’d be going for Perreira though.

 

[Thepaintbucket]

If you are asking me how confident am I in Alex's grappling ability vs Khamzat... I'd say not too confident. Tho Alex isn't completely defenseless as we have seen him grapple and defend a choke against Jan. I suppose Alex being significantly bigger could be all the difference

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

Why not mention his injury? He still scored 2/3 rounds by judges. Like I said you can find plenty of footage of him grappling or striking for 3 rounds. Wrestlers haven't had bad cardio since like Coleman. Maybe Romero but he obviously spends it other ways.

Poatan finishes fights with injuries that are worse.

He had closes fights against grapplers and before he even started training with Saitiev.
Holland has better grappling than Pereira and he got destroyed in a round.

Holland is about half Poatans size lmao

 

[Tweak896]

Poatan finishes fights with injuries that are worse.

I like Pereira and Khamzat, both are killers. I'm just defending Khamzat from people who pretend he's like Conor who only lasts one round. Fighters can't just Homer Simpson the first round and tee off on Khamzat the next 4. Usman fight he fractured an arm or something, his cardio is fine.

 

[KavkazDominance]

they all smalle and weaker.

I can tell you never wrestled lmao weight doesn't matter THAT much when you have such a good technique

 

[KavkazDominance]

Poatan finishes fights with injuries that are worse.


Holland is about half Poatans size lmao

Weight doesn't count that much in grappling so what does that even have to do? I easily take down and control dudes (experienced grapplers) who got 40 pounds on me