Jones robbed Tom of a special moment

[don't ask]

not really what happened though lol, Jones always made it clear before tom was ever in the picture that he'd retire after the stipe fight

Ah, yes, which he did by not retiring, negotiating with the UFC to fight Tom (and, I think I remember reading, accepting the fight at one point) while really just dragging his paper championship out for as long as possible before something forced him out (I'm guessing an ultimatum by the UFC or fan backlash).

 

[Luffy]

Ah, yes, which he did by not retiring, negotiating with the UFC to fight Tom (and, I think I remember reading, accepting the fight at one point) while really just dragging his paper championship out for as long as possible before something forced him out (I'm guessing an ultimatum by the UFC or fan backlash).

Nah, Buff Jiri scares Tom into retirement. Like Topuria said, JJ was tired of the game.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Ah, yes, which he did by not retiring, negotiating with the UFC to fight Tom (and, I think I remember reading, accepting the fight at one point) while really just dragging his paper championship out for as long as possible before something forced him out (I'm guessing an ultimatum by the UFC or fan backlash).

I think it was a similar situation to when Dana "wasn't accepting" Khabib's retirement.

 

[Ares Black]

You're sounding delusional and biased here. there can be more than one reason to do something, maybe it's because stipe is the most accomplished HW to fight in the UFC and him and jones were championing their divisions at the same time. so they are names that have always been closely associated with eachother, Fans of jones know stipe and vice versa and as a feather in his cap, jones would get a win over a highly accredited HW that im sure jones had a lot of respect for.

And he's easy and a big name. Doesn't have to be JUST one.

 

[don't ask]

I think it was a similar situation to when Dana "wasn't accepting" Khabib's retirement.

lol that's an idiotic way to erase Jones jerking everyone around for years by pretending he was a serious fighter. Are you also saying it's Dana's fault for Jones wanting to fight at the White House?

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Are you also saying it's Dana's fault for Jones wanting to fight at the White House?

Don't see how that's related.

 

[don't ask]

Don't see how that's related.

Jones fucked around for years to prolong his paper championship, falsely negotiating terms with no actual intention of fighting Tom, causing much humiliation to Dana and damage to the UFC. He knocked his shit off for a week of "retirement" before he couldn't endure being out of the limelight any longer and is back to his old bullshit (bullshit Dana seems less receptive to than ever, saying he doesn't trust Jones to take a fight and the card may not even happen).

You: it's Dana's fault for not accepting his retirement

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Jones fucked around for years to prolong his paper championship, falsely negotiating terms with no actual intention of fighting Tom, causing much humiliation to Dana and damage to the UFC. He knocked his shit off for a week of "retirement" before he couldn't endure being out of the limelight any longer and is back to his old bullshit (bullshit Dana seems less receptive to than ever, saying he doesn't trust Jones to take a fight and the card may not even happen).

You: it's Dana's fault for not accepting his retirement

You do remember Jon was injured for a year (hence why there was even an interim to begin with) and then UFC booked him against Stipe, right?

And I believe I said "I think Dana didn't accept the retirement."

 

[don't ask]

You do remember Jon was injured for a year (hence why there was even an interim to begin with) and then UFC booked him against Stipe, right?

Are you saying they booked him against his will? That he actually did not want to fight Stipe, a retired former champion, instead of an actual contender?

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Are you saying they booked him against his will? That he actually did not want to fight Stipe, a retired former champion, instead of an actual contender?

No, I'm saying they were the ones who booked him against someone who wasn't the interim champion. Unless you're implying that Jon somehow made that fight happen against Dana's and the UFC's will.

 

[don't ask]

No, I'm saying they were the ones who booked him against someone who wasn't the interim champion. Unless you're implying that Jon somehow made that fight happen against Dana's and the UFC's will.

I know you type stupid shit, but you're not a stupid person. You can't possibly look at all the shit they did to accommodate Jones over the years and seriously suggest he doesn't have the pull to fight Stipe instead of a real contender.

 

[MDoza]

If someone publicly disrespects you greatly, as you say Tom did to Jon, wouldn't it be absolutely awesome to have the opportunity to be paid a load of money to legally beat the shit out of them? Jon had that opportunity.

Instead, he dropped his belt and ran into retirement. Nice mental gymnastics there but you're full of shit.

Jones fighting Aspinall would be giving him a chance to legitimize his title reign.

It’s an even greater opportunity to derail a guy who has disrespected you’s entire career by simply blowing him off.

The entire future of the division was reliant on Aspinall beating Jones. Jones didn’t need the fight, he’s already a GOAT of the sport.

 

[The Bloody Nine]

Jones fighting Aspinall would be giving him a chance to legitimize his title reign.

It’s an even greater opportunity to derail a guy who has disrespected you’s entire career by simply blowing him off.

The entire future of the division was reliant on Aspinall beating Jones. Jones didn’t need the fight, he’s already a GOAT of the sport.

Jones dropped the title and retired, rather than take a fight he knew he might lose. This is a fact.

Nice mental gymnastics again. Very funny.

 

[MDoza]

Jones dropped the title and retired, rather than take a fight he knew he might lose. This is a fact.

Nice mental gymnastics again. Very funny.

Jones accomplished more than anyone in the sport, his family is set for life. Beating Aspinall would do absolutely nothing for his legacy or life.

Aspinall beating him on the other hand would make Aspinall into a star.

Jones felt disrespected, so he didn’t give Aspinall the opportunity. That’s a fact. Now Aspinall is going to continue to be a nobody to anyone outside of hardcores and Brits, beating up bums in the least interesting era of UFC HW history. Also a fact.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

I know you type stupid shit, but you're not a stupid person. You can't possibly look at all the shit they did to accommodate Jones over the years and seriously suggest he doesn't have the pull to fight Stipe instead of a real contender.

None of us are privy to fight negotiations or what exactly is part of any particular bout agreement. It all comes down to what makes the most sense to our various bosses and worldviews.

Many here think they know everything about this situation; all I'm doing is offering alternatives and sometimes playing devil's advocate for fun considering how deeply, deeply entrenched Jon is in Sherdoggers' psyches.

 

[The Bloody Nine]

Jones accomplished more than anyone in the sport, his family is set for life. Beating Aspinall would do absolutely nothing for his legacy or life.

Aspinall beating him on the other hand would make Aspinall into a star.

Jones felt disrespected, so he didn’t give Aspinall the opportunity. That’s a fact. Now Aspinall is going to continue to be a nobody to anyone outside of hardcores and Brits, beating up bums in the least interesting era of UFC HW history. Also a fact.

As I said previously, you're full of shit. And you don't believe a word that you just typed. You also have no idea what a fact is.

 

[MDoza]

I know you type stupid shit, but you're not a stupid person. You can't possibly look at all the shit they did to accommodate Jones over the years and seriously suggest he doesn't have the pull to fight Stipe instead of a real contender.

I think Stipe also had pull with the UFC. Much more than Aspinall or Pavlovic at the time.

He had the most title defenses in UFC HW history and was willing to fight everyone. They owed him the fight as much as they did Jones.

 

[MDoza]

As I said previously, you're full of shit. And you don't believe a word that you just typed. You also have no idea what a fact is.

You think Aspinall is a big name?? You think anyone has more accolades than Jones?? You think he needs more recognition in the sport, or money?

You think the HW division is in a good state right now?? What fights are you excited about? Gane?? Aspinall winning that fight doesn’t do anything since Gane was already exposed by Jones.

 

[The Bloody Nine]

You think Aspinall is a big name?? You think anyone has more accolades than Jones?? You think he needs more recognition in the sport, or money?

You think the HW division is in a good state right now?? What fights are you excited about? Aspinall winning that fight doesn’t do anything since Gane was already exposed by Jones.

What the fuck are you babbling about? Jones had the opportunity to fight Tom. He refused. Moreover, he dropped his belt and retired rather than do so. Fact.

Your retarded "argument" is that Jones did so because he felt "disrespected". A retarded argument, given that the UFC fighter who disrespected Jones more than any other is DC. Who Jon fought twice.

 

[don't ask]

None of us are privy to fight negotiations or what exactly is part of any particular bout agreement. It all comes down to what makes the most sense to our various bosses and worldviews.

Many here think they know everything about this situation; all I'm doing is offering alternatives and sometimes playing devil's advocate for fun considering how deeply, deeply entrenched Jon is in Sherdoggers' psyches.

No, you're a smart person typing stupid shit to defend the indefensible and you're trying to denigrate people (who can actually look at reality) as Jon being deeply entrenched in our psyches, as though it's ridiculous for fans to have opinions on the criminal shitstain who badly damaged the sport for years and seems to be right back at it.

We can see exactly what kind of influence Jon has by what they've done for him (to their own detriment) without ever having to pretend to read minds behind the scenes. You're grasping at straws to deny reality.