Media Jon Jones: Aspinall "Hasn't Proven ANYTHING" To Fight Me - WOULD Fight Alex Pereira For "Legacy"

[Elegant]

Jon Jones has nothing left to prove, he is already the most accomplished fighter of all time and if you want to DQ him for roids then him fighting Aspinall should be irrelevant to you anyways in terms of his legacy

When you're the literal GOAT of your sport you can take any fight you want for any reason you want

 

[Iroh]

Jon Jones has nothing left to prove, he is already the most accomplished fighter of all time and if you want to DQ him for roids then him fighting Aspinall should be irrelevant to you anyways in terms of his legacy

When you're the literal GOAT of your sport you can take any fight you want for any reason you want

He can prove he is actually the legit HW champ instead of a product of carefully waiting for the right opportunity to fight the easiest possible match up for a vacant belt.

 

[AstralPanda]

The fight game is a business

Fighters at the highest level have always taken opponents that made the most sense on every level.

Aspinall has one big win under his belt. He's known amongst the hardcores, but to the general audience, he's a no name, he simply hasn't been around long enough to establish one and has only just broken into the mainstream.

It doesn't help that he isn't very well spoken, charismatic or have any real marketable qualities.

Jones would take a pay cut to take the most difficult fight in the division, all for a fight that likely adds little to nothing to an already established legacy.

These are all factors that most prize fighters are going to consider, especially when it comes down to your final fight and last opportunity to create wealth that's intended to last a lifetime.

If Tom had some accolades behind him, something for Jones to gain in terms of legacy, hype and marketability, it would probably be a different story, but he doesn't.

And at the end of the day, it's prize fighting first and a sport second.

Another factor is motivation. When you're at this age, it's very common for an athlete to struggle finding the fire they once had.

Which makes all those accolades that create an interesting fight all the more important.

When you've been In the game forever, fought the best of the best, paid your dues, established a legacy, then you've earned your right to take fights that truly get your blood pumping and excited to go in there and perform.

There's certainly a lot of elements missing from the Tom equation. Yes he's tough, but what else does he bring to the table in the business that is creating a fight and event? This is what a lot of people seem to miss.

All of this is only going to be further emphasized when it's a retirement fight.

 

[Xanzito]

It pains me to say this, but Conor "reign" at LW is more legit than Jones' at HW.

 

[Iroh]

The fight game is a business

Fighters at the highest level have always taken opponents that made the most sense on every level.

Aspinall has one big win under his belt. He's known amongst the hardcores, but to the general audience, he's a no name, he simply hasn't been around long enough to establish one and has only just broken into the mainstream.

It doesn't help that he isn't very well spoken, charismatic or have any real marketable qualities.

Jones would take a pay cut to take the most difficult fight in the division, all for a fight that likely adds little to nothing to an already established legacy.

These are all factors that most prize fighters are going to consider, especially when it comes down to your final fight and last opportunity to create wealth that's intended to last a lifetime.

If Tom had some accolades behind him, something for Jones to gain in terms of legacy, hype and marketability, it would probably be a different story, but he doesn't.

And at the end of the day, it's prize fighting first and a sport second.

Another factor is motivation. When you're at this age, it's very common for an athlete to struggle finding the fire they once had.

Which makes all those accolades that create an interesting fight all the more important.

When you've been In the game forever, fought the best of the best, paid your dues, established a legacy, then you've earned your right to take fights that truly get your blood pumping and excited to go in there and perform.

Just then agree that he fights for legacy only in the eyes of absolute casuals and not for legacy among his peers and true fans of the sport, people who actually are able to understand his legacy. It's all superficial legacy, nothing with depth. That's also why doesn't care his career is stained by dirty tactics, because he only cares about the wiki page resume, not about actually proving he is more skilled.

 

[MigitAs]

I mean, it’s cool Jon takes his legacy seriously, but then again he doesn’t if you’ve been paying any attention at all to his behaviour outside of the octagon.

 

[AstralPanda]

Just then agree that he fights for legacy only in the eyes of absolute casuals and not for legacy among his peers and true fans of the sport, people who actually are able to understand his legacy. It's all superficial legacy, nothing with depth. That's also why doesn't care his career is stained by dirty tactics, because he only cares about the wiki page resume, not about actually proving he is more skilled.

He's admittedly had some moments that can be perceived as dirty, at the same time, it's also a simulated fight to the death, where fighters are actively trying to give eachother career and life altering brain damage.

His skillset, fight iq, accomplishment and strength of schedule, are the best in the sports history. You could add an asterisk because of a few eye pokes and oblique kicks, but the overall package is what he will be remembered by and used as a measuring stick in rankings and comparisons to past and future champions.

Jones has the most impressive resume in the history of the sport. This isn't just my opinion, it's the opinion of the vast majority of elite fighters at the highest level. To say it's superficial and lacks depth is a very strange take.

Even DC said that Jones has beaten 2 generations of fighters and has nothing to prove. He's fought the best of the best for 15 years. Whether he won or lost, Tom would add nothing to an already established legacy.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Even DC said that Jones has beaten 2 generations of fighters and has nothing to prove. He's fought the best of the best for 15 years. Whether he won or lost, Tom would add nothing to an already established legacy.

If he has nothing left to prove why doesnt he just retire then? or at least vacate the belt and admit hes not actually a real active member of the roster anymore and just wants hand picked fights every few years?

Beating Tom would arguably be the most impressive thing hes done in his career outside of beating DC too. Dont understand how that win would add nothing to his legacy.

 

[Young Calf Kick]

The greatest duck of all time ladies and gentlemen, Jon Bones Jones

 

[Iroh]

He's admittedly had some moments that can be perceived as dirty, at the same time, it's also a simulated fight to the death, where fighters are actively trying to give eachother career and life altering brain damage.

His skillset, fight iq, accomplishment and strength of schedule, are the best in the sports history. You could add an asterisk because of a few eye pokes and obl8que kicks, but the overall package are what he will be remembered by and used to measure against past and future all time greats.

Jones has the most impressive resume in the history of the sport. This isn't just my opinion, it's the opinion of the vast majority of elite fighters at the highest level. To say it's superficial and lacks depth is a very strange take which seems to have a biased undercurrent.

Even DC said that Jones has beaten 2 generations of fighters and has nothing to prove. He's fought the best of the best for 15 years. Whether he won or lost, Tom would add nothing to an already established legacy.

I'm talking about his decisions now. He is now fighting for empty legacy by taking the easiest fights possible with a name, instead of the most deserving and most challenging. And that's been going on for as long as he has been ducking Ngannou. His dirty tactics just give away his mindset on this matter, but he used to at least fight the right guys.

Also using DC for credibility? First off most fighters will side with the guy who beat them, because it will make them look better. Second off, DC is obviously one of the biggest UFC shills out there.

And yeah, most fighters don't give too much critcial thought to Jon's resume, because he has achieved what they dream of achieving. It makes it hard for them to be objective But I bet you if you lay out a premise of fair criteria to judge the different GOAT candidates' resumes, they wouldn't be able to defend Jon's over that of others'.

 

[Morris88]

So champions are now allowed to choose the easier fight instead of proving themselves against tough challenges. Cool, good to know. This is all so gay.

Bruh! How'd you get dubs??

 

[Iroh]

Also @AstralPanda most fighters also seem to agree that Jon is ducking Tom, for whatever that is worth.

 

[MillingMeSoftly]

hehe dirty ><wh

It's not clever it's not funny it's just fucking gay and a weird thing to say

 

[cmw43]

Jon's fat ass is not making 205 so...

He wants Alex to move up, have all the advantages.

 

[AstralPanda]

Also @AstralPanda most fighters also seem to agree that Jon is ducking Tom, for whatever that is worth.

As I said in my initial post though, there's a lot of factors at play, not just whether a fighter is tough or deserving.

As fans, it's easy to look at things in the context of the best fighting the best in terms of skill. However, this is a business and everything needs to be considered.

When fighters reach these older ages, universally and ubiquitously, we see them start searching for the money fights, the big names with the goal of creating a big event. It's not something unique to Jon Jones.

As DJ said, he's retired and only coming back for a fight that gets his dick hard.

So, it's not just money but also motivation, during a time when fighters are getting older and struggling to find the fire they once had in their youth.

These are all things that are going on in the mind of a fighter during those later twilight years, when you only have a short time left.

Tom doesn't have some mythical, legendary skillset that Jones hasn't already seen in his career, so from his perspective, what is gained from taking the fight?

It pays less, it's a harder fight, offers no legacy points, no accolades, and might even be a harder fight to get motivated for, since all of those elements aren't there.

It's easy to just say a fighter is ducking, but it's not that simple. These niche and nuanced elements also need to be considered.

 

[Iroh]

As I said in my initial post though, there's a lot of factors at play, not just whether a fighter is tough or deserving.

Indeed a lot of factors that aren't truly fighting for legacy, as he tries to spin it.

As fans, it's easy to look at things in the context of the best fighting the best in terms of skill. However, this is a business and everything needs to be considered.

It wasn't needed to repeat this.

When fighters reach these older ages, universally and ubiquitously, we see them start searching for the money fights, the big names with the goal of creating a big event. It's not something unique to Jon Jones.

Indeed. Nobody ever said Jon is the only guy that ducks competition. A point that didn't need to be made

As DJ said, he's retired and only coming back for a fight that gets his dick hard.

Yes, and for MM it's actually challenging fights that get his dick hard. Jon it's easy fights for a lot of money. That's okay, but that's not GOAT stuff/accomplishments

So, it's not just money but also motivation, during a time when fighters are getting older and struggling to find the fire they once had in their youth.

In Jon's case it is and the hopes people don't notice him trying to fight the easiest fights that make him money. Also Stipe is not a big star, Ngannou was probably equal in star status/hype. But you see a completely different approach between the two opponents and how he has been trying to get those fights.

These are all things that are going on in the mind of a fighter during those later twilight years, when you only have a short time left.

That doesn't change anything, bud. Everybody knows this. It just doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

Tom doesn't have some mythical, legendary skillset that Jones hasn't already seen in his career, so from his perspective, what is gained from taking the fight?

Lol, what fighter has he fought that is similar to Tom?

It pays less,

There isn't much buzz for the event it seems.I hope he wasn't banking on a lot of PPV point revenue.

it's a harder fight,

Indeed

offers no legacy points

Absolutely false.

, no accolades

Bruh, Aspinall is setting impresive records

, and might even be a harder fight to get motivated for,

Indeed, if you are looking for easy match ups.

since all of those elements aren't there.

We can call it ducking but the reality isn't that simple.

He literally is ducking his duties as a champ. Everything you said is very understandable for a fighter in the later stages of his career, but it's antithetical to what a champ is supposed to be and should do. Or even someone that is supposed to be the current P4P #1 ranked guy.

 

[gentel]

Bones Poatan ends faster than Bones Gane and Jon knows it. The man couldn't get any more pathetic at this point.

I actually think Poatan survives longer cause he'd actually train his grappling and TDD with Glover instead of playing FIFA like Gane did

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Tom doesn't have some mythical, legendary skillset that Jones hasn't already seen in his career

How many 6'5, 250+lb prime well rounded athletic HWs with KO power has Jon fought?

 

[SamuraiBro]

Bruh! How'd you get dubs??

By using some offensive words when referring to myself . Hopefully the dubs will disappear soon lmao.

 

[AbominableJoman]

Well Jon the asterisk Jones always did like fighting mws….