If Poatan defeats Ankalaev

[BowserJr]

Reyes certainly was and he proved it in a very competitive fight. Jon moved up when he felt it was right.

There were several terms he asked for that wasn't part of a standard contract. And the boxing thing, just cause they let Conor play in a once in a life time means nothing regarding letting Francis box. There was not one good point to let Francis box. Conor vs Floyd made sense for the UFC while letting Francis box didn't. And you can see how that screwed PFL over now.

Jones kept re-negotiating his contract 2021 onwards to the point he was happy. The UFC gave him the contract he was happy with and he agreed to the Francis fight. Francis on the other hand left the UFC.

While I certainly dont think Francis ducked, I think he just dind't like the terms and got a better deal elsewhere. But there is no reason to call Jon a duck vs Francis. It was a massive fight and Jon knew the value and that he needed the right terms. He waited and the time was right he agreed to the fight.

Except Jon never agreed to fight Francis.

Jon could've gone to HW at any point for over a decade and it wouldve made sense for all parties. The fact is he didn't and he only agreed to actually fight at HW literally the day Francis announced he was out of the UFC. To think thats coincidence is just naive.

Jon literally waited until there was no threat of losing to get the belt. Smart move but let's not pretend he's doing anything other than trying to stack stats without actually taking a risk... again smart move but that's not what combat sports is about

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

Good post and I concur ...

It doesn't matter who wins ...

Jones = The Greatest Of All Time (any division)
Jones = The Greatest Of All Time (LHW division)

Pereira = The Fastest Rising Star of All Time (any division)
Pereira = The Fastest Dual Champion of All Time (any division)

*** They are BOTH (literally) the SAME AGE ***

This would be a fight for the ages ... and, no matter "who" wins ... WE, AS FANS, WIN

/Thread

Yeah preach on.

I can't believe we have supposed "fans" of MMA who don't want to see this.
Pereira vs Jones is the biggest prospective fight since GSP vs Anderson.

 

[JKS]

Except Jon never agreed to fight Francis.

Jon could've gone to HW at any point for over a decade and it wouldve made sense for all parties. The fact is he didn't and he only agreed to actually fight at HW literally the day Francis announced he was out of the UFC. To think thats coincidence is just naive.

Jon literally waited until there was no threat of losing to get the belt. Smart move but let's not pretend he's doing anything other than trying to stack stats without actually taking a risk... again smart move but that's not what combat sports is about

You got it all it all twisted buddy. Perhaps you should know the details of what actually happened before talking with such certainty.

Jon never agreed to fight Francis?? What are you talking about? The fight was in a contract offered to Francis in early Jan 23 for UFC 285. Jon renegotiated his 8 fights deal in December and he was slated for UFC 285 to fight for the HW title.

The fight was offered to Francis with Jon already agreeing to it a week before Francis announced he's leaving and announcing Gane vs Jones.

What's naive is thinking that somehow Jon and the UFC came up with Jon moving up to HW and fighting Gane within a day lol. It's not how things work . The UFC stripped Francis of his belt and let him know and moved on to Gane vs Jones. Francis then annonced he's leaving the UFC. It all came out in the media the same day Jan 14th, 2023.

Jon's move to HW was being planned and in the books well before Francis left the UFC. They offered him the fight, he declined so they went with the back up scenario in Gane.

 

[Hank Grill]

UFC will strip that guy whos interim champ and just make Jon vs Poatan for the undisputed HW title. "that Aspinal kid didnt want to fight" -Dana

 

[BowserJr]

You got it all it all twisted buddy. Perhaps you should know the details of what actually happened before talking with such certainty.

Jon never agreed to fight Francis?? What are you talking about? The fight was in a contract offered to Francis in early Jan 23 for UFC 285. Jon renegotiated his 8 fights deal in December and he was slated for UFC 285 to fight for the HW title.

The fight was offered to Francis with Jon already agreeing to it a week before Francis announced he's leaving and announcing Gane vs Jones.

What's naive is thinking that somehow Jon and the UFC came up with Jon moving up to HW and fighting Gane within a day lol. It's not how things work . The UFC stripped Francis of his belt and let him know and moved on to Gane vs Jones. Francis then annonced he's leaving the UFC. It all came out in the media the same day Jan 14th, 2023.

Jon's move to HW was being planned and in the books well before Francis left the UFC. They offered him the fight, he declined so they went with the back up scenario in Gane.

Now you're just making stuff up. Jon could've gone to HW for 3 years. He had 3 years to negotiate moving to HW. For most of those 3 years Ngannou was calling him out.

It was finally announced on 1/14/23 that Francis was being stripped and released.

On 1/15/23 it was finally announced that Jon would make his HW debut. Until then there was no date. For 3 years Jones was "bulking and negotiating" but not until Francis leaves all of his negotiations and HW bulking is done?... I've got a bridge to sell you bud

 

[legedema]

Don't care about your post above.

EVERYONE wants to see if Poatan can KO Jones ... or if Jones would sub Poatan.

Jones could not finish freakin Smith ... or Silva ...

There is a very real chance Alex KOs Jon ... and the fans want to see it. (If Alex loses, he is STILL GREAT ... If Jones loses, he is STILL GREAT.)

You are a cowardly fuck, and NO FIGHT FAN ... * NOT * ... to want to see this fight.

/Discussion

this fight would not be even competitive.
there is no need for this. everyone is thinking that Alex in no match for Jones, incl. me.

lets wait for the outcome of Ank. fight.
if Ank. wins, people will change their minds very fast and will ask Ank. vs Jones

 

[AndrewGolota48]

But according to Dana the size difference is just too extreme to ever make this fight, it would be like Ninja vs Kharitonov all over again.

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

this fight would not be even competitive.
there is no need for this. everyone is thinking that Alex in no match for Jones, incl. me.

lets wait for the outcome of Ank. fight.
if Ank. wins, people will change their minds very fast and will ask Ank. vs Jones

Disagree with everything you said.

Poatan has a legit chance to KO'd Jones. Poatan has a legit chance to KO'd anyone.

Ankalaev has 0% chance of submitting or knocking out Jones, ZERO%.

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

KO, not KO'd. (Voice text error)

 

[Steve Fox]

If Jones can cut an arm, he can make LHW again.

if Ank. wins, people will change their minds very fast and will ask Ank. vs Jones

lol no

 

[CroCopsLHK]

I have my doubts JJ could make LHW. Unless he compells AP to come to HW and undercut Aspinall

 

[CroCopsLHK]

Jon Jones is on a "come to me" basis. He is fighting circa 240 lbs. Even infrequently. Maybe I'm wrong but his "move to heavyweight" was a silly time consuming narrative

 

[legedema]

Disagree with everything you said.

Poatan has a legit chance to KO'd Jones. Poatan has a legit chance to KO'd anyone.

Ankalaev has 0% chance of submitting or knocking out Jones, ZERO%.

OK , this is all your opinion and respect that but don't agree to any part of that

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

OK , this is all your opinion and respect that but don't agree to any part of that

No shit?

Do you think what you have said is "fact" – or might your BS be nothing but "your" opinion as well?

As hard as this may seem to believe, this isn't the first time fight fans "don't agree," and I doubt it will be the last.

If you don't think Pereira has a legit chance to KO Jones, then you're simply not being real.

Consider this a classic case of "agree to disagree."

 

[HHJ]

I have my doubts JJ could make LHW. Unless he compells AP to come to HW and undercut Aspinall

He's not gonna cut weight, hes too old and makes too much money to cut weight now.

He wasnt the same at LHW as people are thinking. Reyes beat him.

He stopped for a reason. He was slowing down. Being a fatty and then going back down, i think he will be even worse.

 

[JBJ was here]

If Jones can cut an arm, he can make LHW again.



lol no

While I don't want to see Jones fight at LHW again, he came in at 238 and distinctly tubby for his last fight. Getting down to 225 and a thoroughly ordinary weight cut to 205 are well within his capabilities. All he really needs to cut to make 205 is his morning tub of lard.

 

[NatoHoro]

Ankaleyev will defeat Pereira

 

[Captain Insano]

If Jones wants to fight Poatan he should stop being fat and go to LHW

 

[JKS]

Now you're just making stuff up. Jon could've gone to HW for 3 years. He had 3 years to negotiate moving to HW. For most of those 3 years Ngannou was calling him out.

It was finally announced on 1/14/23 that Francis was being stripped and released.

On 1/15/23 it was finally announced that Jon would make his HW debut. Until then there was no date. For 3 years Jones was "bulking and negotiating" but not until Francis leaves all of his negotiations and HW bulking is done?... I've got a bridge to sell you bud

Oh boy, you're naive and misinformed it cute.

First, Jon at no point was gonna fight Francis if it's not for the HW title. Francis won the title in April of 21. He then was injured and healing after Gane fight for all of 2022 and was negotiating his own deal. So get the BS out that Jon could have fought Francis for 3 years. The actual window was quite short. Jon was on leave for all of 2022 and so was Francis.

I like how you bring up these dates of Jan 14th and 15th as if the UFC somehow made those decision the same day. My friend...those announcments were planned in advance.

Now, here is the scenario from the man himself, Fracnis, this interview pretty much sums it all up. This is from Jan 17th, 2023.



Starts at 8 mins where Francis clearly mentions the UFC reached out and they had a call on Jan 10th, 2023 to offer the fight and contract. Francis said they needed to make a fight for March 4th which was UFC 285. Later he mentions the contract was for 3 fights like he waned and mentions the pay for the Jon Jones fight.

And you're gonna argue some BS about Jon ducking Francis and not agreeing to the fight?? You clearly had Francis right here say they offered him a fight for UFC 285 a week before it was announced he's leaving the UFC and that Jon is fightig Gane. Then you had Jon Jones actually fight on that exact event. Quite a conincidene, right??

So I hope you now actually understand what happened here?? If not, let me spell it out. Both guys negotiated new contracts in 2022, Jon Jones ageres to new deal end of 2022, UFC now has him under contract and ready to fight so they hurry to offer a deal to Francis in ealry 2023 for UFC 285. Francis declined the week fo Jan 10th, the UFC moves on and makes Gane vs Jones a week later and strips Francis.

There you go

 

[BowserJr]

First, Jon at no point was gonna fight Francis if it's not for the HW title. Francis won the title in April of 21. He then was injured and healing after Gane fight for all of 2022 and was negotiating his own deal. So get the BS out that Jon could have fought Francis for 3 years. The actual window was quite short. Jon was on leave for all of 2022 and so was Francis.

Wow you're actually denying that he could've agreed to fight Francis at any point in 3 years

I like how you bring up these dates of Jan 14th and 15th as if the UFC somehow made those decision the same day. My friend...those announcments were planned in advance

According to who? You? LOL
You actually think Grancis would be stripped and released and sit on announcing that? Talk about naive

And you're gonna argue some BS about Jon ducking Francis and not agreeing to the fight?? You clearly had Francis right here say they offered him a fight for UFC 285 a week before it was announced he's leaving the UFC and that Jon is fightig Gane. Then you had Jon Jones actually fight on that exact event. Quite a conincidene, right??

They're making offers to both guys. That doesn't mean either agreed to anything. Talk about connecting dots that aren't there

Both guys negotiated new contracts in 2022, Jon Jones ageres to new deal end of 2022,

Not true. The announcement that Jon signed a new 8 fight deal was the day after Francis was released. Again why would they sit on the news that Jones signed a new 8 fight deal. Oh, that's right! They didn't. As soon as he signed they announced it.

It's pretty silly that you think Dana White is gonna sit around and let others write the narrative of one of their champions leaving. Reality is he's gonna strip them and make his narrative ASAP so he can get in front of it and make them look bad