If Poatan defeats Ankalaev

[ejazahmednit]

Jones doesn't need to be rewarded for ducking the interim champion and stalling the HW division for years

 

[legedema]

No shit?

Do you think what you have said is "fact" – or might your BS be nothing but "your" opinion as well?

As hard as this may seem to believe, this isn't the first time fight fans "don't agree," and I doubt it will be the last.

If you don't think Pereira has a legit chance to KO Jones, then you're simply not being real.

Consider this a classic case of "agree to disagree."

doesnt matter what you think about Alex , I do think Jones is levels above him.
and yes, Alex has a chance because he is a fighter , so does Don'tale Mayes, because they are fighters and know how to punch better than you and me.
but out of 100 , imo Jones wins 99 times against Alex.

and, all above and before were my opinions.never said they are facts.how can you even say they are facts for future events.we all have just our opinions and some of us have sometimes shit opinions which I think you have by comparing Alex to Jones

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

It would take another 3 years for Jones to slim his fat ass down to LHW again

 

[JKS]

Wow you're actually denying that he could've agreed to fight Francis at any point in 3 years

According to who? You? LOL
You actually think Grancis would be stripped and released and sit on announcing that? Talk about naive


They're making offers to both guys. That doesn't mean either agreed to anything. Talk about connecting dots that aren't there

Not true. The announcement that Jon signed a new 8 fight deal was the day after Francis was released. Again why would they sit on the news that Jones signed a new 8 fight deal. Oh, that's right! They didn't. As soon as he signed they announced it.

It's pretty silly that you think Dana White is gonna sit around and let others write the narrative of one of their champions leaving. Reality is he's gonna strip them and make his narrative ASAP so he can get in front of it and make them look bad

You're not very bright, are you!

First, I said that the window for the fight to happen was actually quite small. You're bringing up this BS about 3 years?? First, Francis himself was going for the HW title and that was his goal. Jon wasn't fighting anyone at HW unless it was for the HW title. Francis won the HW title in April 2021. The only time they could have inked this fight was between May 21 to Jan 22. Afer that, Francis was injured and in a contract disupte and so was Jon. You get it now??

Both guys got the offer, one guy agreed and fought on the card where the fight was offered, UFC 285. The other guy, Francis got the same offer and declined. That means that Jon Jones certainly agreed to the fight. Basically what you're saying is that both guys got the fight offer and if Francis accepted, then Jon would have declined and not fought??, even though he fought on that UFC 285 card.

What exactly are you trying to say by "They're making offers to both guys. That doesn't mean either agreed to anything" I am just confused because Jon fought on the card where the offers were made to both.

First of all, Jon already had a 8 fight contract signed from years ago. So it wasn't a new 8 fight deal. All they did was adjust the numbers and upgrade his existing deal. And they announced all that the same day, the HW title fight and Francis leaving. You gotta be a complete dummy to think that his upgrade wasn't already inked well before those announcement. They always wait for the right time to let the media know these things.

Face it, Francis declined the fight when it was offered and Jon accpted. That's just how it went down.

 

[BowserJr]

Both guys got the offer, one guy agreed and fought on the card where the fight was offered, UFC 285. The other guy, Francis got the same offer and declined. That means that Jon Jones certainly agreed to the fight. Basically what you're saying is that both guys got the fight offer and if Francis accepted, then Jon would have declined and not fought??, even though he fought on that UFC 285 card.

Jon literally didn't accept the fight until Francis was released lol

First of all, Jon already had a 8 fight contract signed from years ago. So it wasn't a new 8 fight deal. All they did was adjust the numbers and upgrade his existing deal. And they announced all that the same day, the HW title fight and Francis leaving. You gotta be a complete dummy to think that his upgrade wasn't already inked well before those announcement. They always wait for the right time to let the media know these things.

Ok so provide sources

Face it, Francis declined the fight when it was offered and Jon accpted. That's just how it went down.

All the evidence shows that Jon accepted to fight at 285 once Francis was released.

Youre making tons of claims woth 0 evidence

 

[JKS]

Jon literally didn't accept the fight until Francis was released lol
Ok so provide sources
All the evidence shows that Jon accepted to fight at 285 once Francis was released.

Youre making tons of claims woth 0 evidence

First, here are the details of his reworked deal.

Jon Jones Has 8-Fight Deal, But Promises Fans Only 2

Per Jon’s manager, Jones has eight fights on his current UFC contract. This is not a new deal, contrary to the impression Dana White gave fans. This was an exis

verdictmma.com

Per Jon’s manager, Jones has eight fights on his current UFC contract. This is not a new deal, contrary to the impression Dana White gave fans. This was an existing deal that he re-signed with a massive pay upgrade to incentivize a move to Heavyweight."

Second, I showed you video footage of Francis Ngannou himself saying the UFC called him a week before everything was brought out in the media and they had a call on Jan 10th where the Jones fight was offered for UFC 285. They rushed to make this offer right after they came to terms with Jon and wanted to make this fight.

The UFC wouldn't offer Francis the fight in a contract for a specific date unless they had Jon locked in. Which they clearly did, CONSIDERING HE FOUGHT ON THE UFC 285 FIGHT CARD FOR THE HW TITLE!!!!!

Here is another interview Francis just did

Ngannou says UFC used Jones fight as ‘bait’ to ‘trap’ him in new contract

Ngannou still blames Dana White for a Jon Jones fight not happening, saying it was only ever offered as part of a ‘trap’ to keep him in UFC.

www.mmamania.com

He clearly says the UFC offered him the Jones fight at the last second and he claims it was used as a trap to get him to stay with the UFC. Which is very likely true, but nevertheless, it's very clear the UFC offered Francis the fight for UFC 285. They wouldn't offer the fight in contract with such certainty unless Jon had agreed.

You have all the evidence right there for you. You have Francis cleary saying the UFC offered him the fight for UFC 285 in a contract. You have Jon accepting new terms for his exisiting contract right around that time. If news broke on Jan 14th Jon accepted new terms, you know those terms were worked out well in advance of that. You have Jon fighting at UFC 285 for the HW title, the exact event they offered Francis the fight. I think that sums it all up pretty well that the Jones/Francis fight would have happened if Francis signed the deal.

But yet, you are still arguing this claiming Jon only singed his new deal to fight Gane lol. Let me ask you, why would the UFC offer Francis the Jones fight in a contract for UFC 285 if Jon Jones had no plans of fighting him?? Keep in mind, Jon Jones fought on that exact card. I am just trying to understand your logic here. And the other thing....what do you think would have happened if Francis agreed and signed the deal offered Jan 10th???

 

[Vehap1]

If Alex stops Ankalaevs takedowns and wins, then its 0% chance Jon would accept that fight

The beating he took against Reyes, all that again? no way
His career is made of fighting Old midgets, why would he change now

 

[Vehap1]

First, here are the details of his reworked deal.

Nothing wrong with Jon ducking Ngannou, hes literally 30lb of MUSCLES bigger
Its completely unfair.

If you think it was the big guy ducking the small guy... I dont know what to tell you
Size matters its just the way it is

Jon´s wrestling would be completely neutralized due to the size difference
And striking with Francis only ends in one way - sleep on the floor

 

[BowserJr]

massive pay upgrade to incentivize a move to Heavyweight."

Ah, now we're getting somewhere. So accordingly to your own source Jon would not go to HW until he signed this upgrade. That deal was signed, again after Francis left

They rushed to make this offer right after they came to terms with Jon and wanted to make this fight

Source?

They wouldn't offer the fight in contract with such certainty unless Jon had agreed.

Source?

If news broke on Jan 14th Jon accepted new terms, you know those terms were worked out well in advance of that.

Sure the terms were sent before the 14th but there is nothing that shows that he accepted the terms before they released Francis. All we know is that he accepted the terms to move to HW after UFC decided to move on from Francis. You still have not provided a source for your claims that Jon signed prior to the release

Let me ask you, why would the UFC offer Francis the Jones fight in a contract for UFC 285 if Jon Jones had no plans of fighting him??

Because they're trying to get it signed. Seriously?
That's like asking "why would they offer the fight to Jon if they didn't have Francis secured yet?"

Do you not see how youre contradicting yourself?

 

[JKS]

Nothing wrong with Jon ducking Ngannou, hes literally 30lb of MUSCLES bigger
Its completely unfair.

If you think it was the big guy ducking the small guy... I dont know what to tell you
Size matters its just the way it is

Jon´s wrestling would be completely neutralized due to the size difference
And striking with Francis only ends in one way - sleep on the floor

I think perhaps you're misinterpreting my perception on this fight and scenario. I've always said that Francis would KO Jon inside two rounds at any point and I am sticking with that.

But it's pretty clear that Jon didn't duck Francis in any way. He accepted the fight for UFC 285. Francis declined the fight. And I don't think Francis ducked him in anyway, no one ducked anyone. Francis just took a better deal for his career elsewhere and it worked out well for him.

 

[JKS]

Ah, now we're getting somewhere. So accordingly to your own source Jon would not go to HW until he signed this upgrade. That deal was signed, again after Francis left



Source?



Source?



Sure the terms were sent before the 14th but there is nothing that shows that he accepted the terms before they released Francis. All we know is that he accepted the terms to move to HW after UFC decided to move on from Francis. You still have not provided a source for your claims that Jon signed prior to the release
Because they're trying to get it signed. Seriously?
That's like asking "why would they offer the fight to Jon if they didn't have Francis secured yet?"

Do you not see how youre contradicting yourself?

I am reading all of this and I am still trying to understand your logic here on how Jon was ducking this fight at that point. You'd have to excuse me for asking, but a lot of what you're insinuating doesnt' really make much sense.

What I would like if for you to tell me exactly how you see the events going down that week. From the call on Jan 10th where the UFC offered Francis the fight. And then what you think Jon was doing that week and what his acutal plans were. Just break it down for me. Tell me how Jon ducked this fight at that point and somehow manuvered to fight Gane instead.

 

[jjjjjjjjjjohnny]

from a business sense, it won't happen. from a fan perspective, everyone knows jones would win in all likelihood.

 

[tonil]

Ankaleyev will defeat Pereira