I think Tom and JJ are both in it together

It really doesn't matter what Stipe says or what kind of shape he's in, how confident etc. Nothing changes the fact that he's over 40 and far past his fighting prime. It wasn't a good win because Stipe was too old imo.
 
Respectfully your post is very confusing

You're attacking me but don't have a coherent point

And nothing you said had anything to do with my long and detailed post.

Every thing I said was very clear dude. Very clear.

Nothing you say makes sense.

What is your deeper point?

Your post seemed to specifically be in defense of TS and the "real thought" he puts into those long "non conforming, devil's advocate" posts. You chose to make your case here, in this thread. My "deeper point" (whatever that means) was that you at least seem to be defending something by describing it as something it isn't.
 
I have nothing to do with the OP.

I will flame him myself, without a notice.

Okay I'm misunderstanding you it seems. Disregard my last post I guess, I am seemingly interpreting your intentions incorrectly.
 
If giving deep, meaningful analytical thought was what TS did...this would be an appropriate place for you to make this point. Intstead, he spams the forum with War and Peace length diatribes that while maybe having some hidden salient points...are always riddled with his ridiculous repetitive garbage claims like "Stipe at 43 off an almost 4 year layoff is clearly an elite win for Jones". It's objectively an absurd take that he tries to sell over and over...so no it doesn't give any indication he's "thinking".
Lol, I don't necessarily disagree.

Hes had his moments.

What I said was more of a general statement than something directed at the OP.

I like him. Only because he's a man of questions. You don't have to be right or absolute or ask.

It's those who hold convictions that I tend to roast, lol

Those with questions in their soul, I feel are the smartest.
 
75 threads since '13? Horrors! I made threads before you blew in here and I'll be making threads after you get taken out with the garbage. I've seen it happen over and over
I kinda like you

I think your analysis has a lot of potential

There's a very cult like energy about your approach though

That is primarily the issue

If we can teach you how to think properly, I think you'd crush.
 
If giving deep, meaningful analytical thought was what TS did...this would be an appropriate place for you to make this point. Intstead, he spams the forum with War and Peace length diatribes that while maybe having some hidden salient points...are always riddled with his ridiculous repetitive garbage claims like "Stipe at 43 off an almost 4 year layoff is clearly an elite win for Jones". It's objectively an absurd take that he tries to sell over and over...so no it doesn't give any indication he's "thinking".
Lol I don't necessarily disagree

What I like is his questioning

It doesn't matter If someone is 3009% wrong

They're asking questions. For me, that's the key.
 
There's a very cult like energy about your approach though

That is primarily the issue

If we can teach you how to think properly, I think you'd crush.
The only cult around here is the irrational Jones fans who think he's a saint or that they're in his 'church'. People who don't like Jones and don't like what he's doing to the HW division have very rational reasons, and I'll list them once more:

Cheater, ducker, pos person who has no honor or integrity, no respect for his fellow fighters, fans, or the good of the 'sport' in general. He is a sociopathic narcissist who only cares about himself, whether it's wasting Aspinall's prime, running away from a wreck with a pregnant lady, or beating up his girlfriend in front of the kids, he has always put himself first, denied any responsibility for his actions and blamed 'gods plan' for all his failings. As soon as people like you can admit there are a multitude of good reasons to not like the guy and to not like what he is doing to the sport that we all follow, we'll have a lot less bullshit going on around here
 
“The mental gymnastics required to be a Jones fan”

A novel

By Luffy

IMO, both Jon Jones and Tom Aspinall want the fight. If Jon really didn’t want it, he’d shut it down completely and say Stipe is his last. But the fact that he keeps things vague feels more like a calculated move. He probably noticed the Stipe fight was losing steam—not because Stipe isn’t elite (he absolutely is), but because Stipe doesn’t play the media game. He leans into the “I’m an old man” persona in big interviews, even though in smaller podcasts he admitted he was in great shape, confident, and ready with a heavier frame (247 lbs) specifically to outlast someone like Ngannou. He even mentioned how the octagon size affected his game plan in that loss and that he felt disappointed when Ngannou left as he was totally confident he'd get the 2-1 but that fighting JJ meant even more for him. He said though that he wants people to think he was old and weakened so his win would have a bigger impact (Jackson's podcast).

But the public perception is tricky, especially with Jon. Every little thing gets twisted to make it seem like he’s avoiding real competition. And since Stipe doesn’t hype himself, fans start doubting him. On the other hand, Tom does hype things up. He’s also elite, and the first signs of hesitance from Jones created this narrative shift—suddenly, people are convinced Tom’s the guy. And honestly, even if Tom ends up fighting Gane before Jones, it won’t hurt him. Whether he’s defending an interim or undisputed belt doesn’t change much in the fans’ eyes—most already see him as the real champ. In fact, if Jon retires, that may hurt Tom’s drawing power. Fighting Gane for a vacant undisputed title without Jon in the picture feels less meaningful.

Add to that the UFC’s current business uncertainty with ESPN, and it’s pretty likely IMO that both Tom and Jon are probably waiting for a better deal to maximize the payday. They’re both smart. Tom doesn’t just want the belt—he wants the moment. If he loses to Jon, it better be with the biggest bag possible. And if he wins, it needs to be at a time when the fight is at its peak value. I wouldn’t even be surprised if they’re coordinating a little behind the scenes, keeping up the "rivalry" as a way to build the fight WWE-style while the UFC negotiates its next big media deal.

At the end of the day, the actual belt matters less than the narrative. Tom defending the interim belt while Jon still holds the official one gives fans something to argue about, which ironically drives more hype than if the titles were unified and the drama ended. Tom knows this, Jon knows this, and they’re both playing the game. They know the current social media trend is also full of frustrated ppl that must hop on to things that are inconsequential to the online ppl's lives, but that get overblown as it's the new age and way of channeling their own frustrations with their in real life stuff.

This doesnt make sense

Jones is afraid

He's more afraid than he was of
-Chael
-Lyoto 2
-Rashad
-Rampage
-Rumble
-Gus 2
-DC 2

and anyone in HW

This is most scared hes ever been on Sherdog
 
I think any topic in general is usually very complex and requires a lot of thinking, weighing of sides, consideration of angles and nuances. Far more than most people realize.

It takes time, effort, digging and everything else to arrive at the truth, regardless of what you're discussing.

Most are heavily influenced by the hive mind, they see a large amount of people supporting a particular ideology and blindly follow, without any independent thought and personal agency. Especially when it's involving a widely hated, polarizing figure or situation where emotions are involved.

There's a lot of people who barely put any thought whatsoever Into these things. Their takes are the lowest common denominator of thinking and effort. A lot of TLDR types, people who can barely put out or even read a paragraph or two. It's a strong sign that someone doesn't have much depth to their process. Yet these are the ones who frequently speak with an aura of unquestioning conviction.

Whether someone's correct or not, the fact that there's effort put into questioning and playing devils advocate during polarizing discussions with a strong public pull to adhere to a popular narrative is a sign that someone is thinking and not allowing the thinking to be done for them.

People are too tribalistic. It's possible to acknowledge the truth in either side without being some giga fan or mindless hater. Very few approach these things in a way that isn't black and white, all or nothing. There's no middle grounds, only those who pick a side and stick to it.
Exactly. You described my approach when making topics (generally, sometimes, tho rarely, I like to troll a little) better than I could. You nailed that in the "there's no truth to it, it's not black and white, it's an effort to look at everything as a whole and piece things together". I don't make those topics as "that's the true!!" ... I take my time to watch long videos I stead of just short videos, which are harder to find since the YouTube algorithm makes them hard to access... And then I try to look at everything. Like, I don't discount what people say here as a possibility, too. But like you said, we are not in here for sticking to a PoV and merely handwaving any other thing that doesn't go along with what we want to be true... It's unfortunate because the TL;DR with the catchy responses being the norm now to get attention and the "hah, nailed it!" are the norm now for good and valid answers... While any possibility, any thought that has effort put into it but can't be narrowed into a one line thread, is made fun of by most. That shows the level of discussion platforms were reduced to nowadays.

Even forums, which I stick to almost 100% as a way of discussing things I like ever since 2015 (it started with Dragon Ball, then other mangas, then movies and politics, now mma) are infested by the one liners meaningless trend of X and catchy phrases from short, conveniently chopped in, YouTube videos. It's kind of a shame, but people like you make me willing to keep posting here. Some other members who answers with memes and one lines are fun too, I react to their posts with a 😂 not to mock, but because some one liners know how to make their posts good in a way that, they have a a clear talent for making the atmosphere fun as well. I never get emotional, it's inconsequential to me, so I like those good short posts because... Whatever the lack of seriousness and willingness to discuss, I can't deny they have their appeal and value too.
 
Do you think Tom doesn't want to earn money?
No...? In fact, I've said the opposite.
Do you think Tom is just joking and doesn't really want the Jon fight?
No? I also said the opposite...
Do you think the UFC doesn't want to have two HW titlle defenses this year and only wants one title defense?
Also... No? In fact, I implied the opposite...


All those questions tell me you didn't read the post well. Read more carefully as you missed the point.


Yes, Stipe was not elite because he was 42 yo like you say. I guess Glover wasn't elite when he beat Jan and had one of the best fights ever vs Jiri, almost defeating the same Jiri Prochazka who demolished Reyes... Since Glover was 42 years old too. I guess JJ sucked in the fight vs Cyril Gane because he was also coming off a 3 years of inactivity (inactivity as in, fighting in the octagon, not inactivity in training), huh? Gane was younger than JJ, was far more active, yet Gane sucked after the fight and the 3 years inactive JJ making his debut in HW should suck but he didn't. JJ was 37 yo, had an injury pre fight which needed surgery and 6 months off any training, also had only 3 minutes of HW experience... But Stipe was the only "ring rusty one". Even tho both were basically as ring rusty, and even though Stipe is a natural HW while JJ had only a 3 minutes fight in HW while not training for 6 months due to a serious shoulder injury that took him off for more than a year... JJ dominated the fight, but the narrative is that only Stipe was inactive.

The 42 yo narrative only applies to Stipe (who himself said he felt better than in his last fights, since as per Stipe, fighting over and over at 37+ yo would be worse than waiting, allowing his body time to recover so (again, Stipe saying) his training could be maximized due to lack of stress from injuries and all)... That's the curse of being so dominant... As even when Miocic, who himself stated (but you won't see it since you won't watch a real video that's not a high viewed selected shorts from YouTube) he was in a good shape and felt better physically than in his last two fights (vs DC and Ngannou), which he specifically stated that the lay off and the drive to fight a name like JJ allowed him to have a very effective camping unlike the ones he had in his last two fights.... That won't be filtered by you, since the JJ curse if being so dominant will make ppl like you to take the merits over any high level performance against a legit dangerous opponent. Believe the narrative all you want.

The fact that Stipe lasted longer than Cyril Gane, who had by then defeated any top HW except Ngannou, in a fight that went to decision in a close fight... He and Tom never fought so we don't know, either... But Stipe lasted longer than Cyril Gane. That Cyril Gane defeated Derrick Lewis dominantly, defeated Volkov in their first fight, which by then, was a dominant UD win unlike the last one... But Stipe gave JJ more problems than a Cyril who later admitted he posted the soccer fifa game in a provocative way, but that he trained harder for JJ than any previous match he had.

That should tell you Stipe was elite, was in a good shape and in a high level of readiness,mehich made him more dangerous than Volkov, Cyril Gane and any HW other than Tom Aspinall, who we don't know how dangerous he would be. He is likely better than Gane if we compare Tom defeating Volkov in the first round, unlike the active Cyril Gane who, in his first fight vs Volkov, dominated him, (again, I'm talking about their first fight) but did not finish him in a round unlike Tom.

But who knows, Stipe also did better vs JJ than Gane. Ppl assume Aspinall would beat Stipe in one minute. Oh wow!! that'd be a huge feat, he'd be defeating someone >> Cyril in a minute. I don't think so. Aspinall predicted that JJ and Stipe would likely go to decision, with JJ getting the Unanimous Decision... Tom thought it wouldn't be easy tho, he predicted something like 4-1 JJ, while noticing he thought it would be a definitive, but not an easy victory for JJ. I guess that might have been an accurate assessment of how Tom would fare against Stipe, if you ask me — an Unanimous Decision win, maybe... Because Tom, when asked straight away before the JJ vs Stipe match about his odds vs JJ, would say he sees the fight as a 50/50, saying he thinks he can do it, but he can't be confident he would, as "JJ is the best to ever do it" — Tom's words.
 
Psychologizing is for women.
Well... Perhaps? In general, maybe women tend to have deeper thoughts than men, who mostly think in a narrowed perspective way, with simplistic takes, all while acting they are smart. Not every man is like this though, thankfully.
 
Well... Perhaps? In general, maybe women tend to have deeper thoughts than men, who mostly think in a narrowed perspective way, with simplistic takes, all while acting they are smart. Not every man is like this though, thankfully.
Whatever you say Freud.
 
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