Francis Ngannou turned down $8mil to fight Jones? How much did he make fighting Fury?

[tastaylvr]

It baffles me how naive some of you guys are. You think that just because there are numbers documented in a court case, there's no way it could possibly


Do you honestly think the UFC documents every last dollar that moves through the ccompay?

Yes they do and it is illegal for it to not be tracked. Even if it wasn’t where would this money come from?

what you’re essentially arguing is that a publicly traded company has a shadow economy within their company

why the fuck would they do this? It benefits nobody unless there is something illegal going on

no offence man but you are out of your depth here and should stop posting like you know what is happening

You have already proven that you have no fucking idea what you are talking about

imagine thinking fighters taking millions in cash payments lol and it’s off the books so it’s somehow coming from thin air..

the pure stupidity

 

[David Street]

That was boxing in front of a bunch of very rich Saudi Arabian oil dudes.

MT$<KB$<MMA$<Boxing$$$

 

[AstralPanda]

Once again, why would ENDEAVOUR portray the fighters as making less tha they do when they are being accused of suppressing fighter pay? You think an audit would be catastrophic? What do you think they went through to go public? Losing the anti trust case is catastrophic. Stop bull shilling

Through an audit, If they uncovered a huge amount of unreported Income for the purpose of tax evasion(among other reasons), it would be pretty catastrophic for every party involved.

Opening themselves up to a serious amount of legal action for a company that big.

Let's say Zuffa and endeavor opted for complete transparency. Decided to reveal every cash, backroom deal that has occurred since the beginning of the company. Revealed every instance of underreported income.

Afterwards, given that information, an extensive audit took place on all the involved parties, including fighters, which further validated their testimony.

What do you think would happen? Do you not realize how much of a shitstorm that would create?

The anti trust lawsuit is a big deal. But there's no way any intelligent organization would willfully reveal such information if they don't have to.

 

[joeson]

Are you some sort of retard? How did I say what you are eluding to? You can absolutely get whatever you get.

Your reporting obligation with taxation and declaration is yours, not public. There is no transparency for us general public, we are not the IRS!

the saudis gave Tyson Fury a Pagani Roadster please tell me how he accepted that even though he has no bank account, driving license or residency in Saudi Arabia. OMG how did he ever manage to receive it ?!?!

Once again, WHY WOULD ENDEAVOUR CONCEAL PAYMENTS TO FIGHTERS? There is no tax benefit to do so. That’s not how taxes work.

 

[AstralPanda]

Yes they do and it is illegal for it to not be tracked. Even if it wasn’t where would this money come from?

what you’re essentially arguing is that a publicly traded company has a shadow economy within their company

why the fuck would they do this? It benefits nobody unless there is something illegal going on

no offence man but you are out of your depth here and should stop posting like you know what is happening

You have already proven that you have no fucking idea what you are talking about

imagine thinking fighters taking millions in cash payments lol and it’s off the books so it’s somehow coming from thin air..

the pure stupidity

Oh its illegal. Damn bro you got me there. You're right. That must mean it doesn't happen.

Income gets underreported. Deals take place off the books. All corporations do this.

And there's no way to dispute it.

 

[joeson]

Through an audit, If they uncovered a huge amount of unreported Income for the purpose of tax evasion(among other reasons), it would be pretty catastrophic for every party involved.

Opening themselves up to a serious amount of legal action for a company that big.

Let's say Zuffa and endeavor opted for complete transparency. Decided to reveal every cash, backroom deal that has occurred since the beginning of the company. Revealed every instance of underreported income.

Afterwards, given that information, an extensive audit took place on all the involved parties, including fighters, which further validated their testimony.

What do you think would happen? Do you not realize how much of a shitstorm that would create?

The anti trust lawsuit is a big deal. But there's no way any intelligent organization would willfully reveal such information if they don't have to.

Once again, they have already been audited multiple times before their IPO. They are not liable for previous tax evasion, only tax evasion that they did themselves.

 

[blaseblase]

8 mill over 3 fights ..if he remained champion during those 3 fights ..if he lost his pay would fall right off ..plus PPV points as champion... no boxing..

The pay drop off and no boxing was why he left....it wasnt the money he agreed to the money he liked the money ...it was the other conditions.

Francis absolutely walked away from the fight though...Jones was in...

But Francis did what was right for him ..

Jones walked away from the fight when Ngannou was under contract. There's an entire years worth of Twitter posts of him beefing with Dana and turning down the fight. Then he sat out another year, until Ngannou's contract was up. Only then did he sign a new contract.

 

[djason1988]

Most of the same media sources that were clear Ngannou was still deep in negotiations with the ufc

Were also saying Jones was back mid 2022.

So you're wrong.

Jones made the decision to bulk for heavyweight all the way back in 2021. Coming back wasn't some spur of the moment decision.

He wanted a big bump in pay. Which the UFC would only agree to if it were a super fight, HW title fight.

What else do people think he'd been preparing for all that time? To fight some random heavyweight? It was always going to be for the belt.

You are painfully wrong. Jones was asked about it several times and never gave a straight answer, just kept saying hw was different and he needed to take his time. He was thought to be effectively retired by most. There was nothing on paper for him til Francis was out.

 

[HuskySamoan]

Ngannou turned down 8 mil contract with I believe 6 fights on it, not 8 mil for 1 fight

He made 10 mil base pay plus some ppv points for a single boxing match against Fury in which he took the champ to a 10 round split decision in his first pro boxing match and had the biggest highlight of that night (the round 3 knockdown)


It’s pretty clear Ngannou made the perfect decision

It's been clearly stated, NGannou would get 8 mil for just the Jones fight. Maybe Dana was lying but that's what he stated and I believe Francis himself substantiated it.

UFC earnings are so fishy, Conor vs Poirier II I believe was released in court that Conor made 23m yet for other prior fights in court the UFC now is claiming for the lawsuit Conor made like 6m for Diaz or some shit, I really struggle to believe he could have made so little for a PPV that did like 1.7m buys. Also Cormier and Usman have publicly talked about making in singular fights 3-5m.

 

[BigDramaShow26]

What is that based on? He got $10 million, lost the fight, and the event took a massive loss, and that somehow translates to a 250% to take on a lesser draw for his next fight?

Because people think he either won or did well enough that he can beat everyone else. A rematch would be gigantic. A fight with Joshua or Wilder would be also.

And that failure talk is stupid. There is no failure. These guys have endless amounts of money. They don't do this to make money. They do it to throw a party. That event was 100% for the Saudi princes that threw it.

Ruiz made a ridiculous amount of money for his fight with Joshua at the same place. They throw around stupid money. It's honestly terrible for boxing as these guys expect to get paid like that every fight.

 

[TheAlliance]

Ariel said Francis made 100+ million and that he is the one that reported it. This pissed off the goat, chael

 

[mjfan23]

Once again, WHY WOULD ENDEAVOUR CONCEAL PAYMENTS TO FIGHTERS? There is no tax benefit to do so. That’s not how taxes work.

They don’t. The IRS knows the bonuses, the company just don’t publish it to oversell it and use it as a retention and reward tool for its contractors

 

[spinup]

Look at his fight with Fury, did he looked stress at all? Training camp was prob easy, he barely got hurt throughout the fight and the pay was potentially bigger than UFC. Most importantly, he has his freedom

You really don't know anything about combat sports if you think he got to that level with an easy fight camp. He must have had the most intense fight camp a HW can endure.
We are talking a UFC HW coming off a knee surgery, going 10 rounds in boxing against Tyson Fury.

 

[blaseblase]

Are you some sort of retard? How did I say what you are eluding to? You can absolutely get whatever you get.

Your reporting obligation with taxation and declaration is yours, not public. There is no transparency for us general public, we are not the IRS!

the saudis gave Tyson Fury a Pagani Roadster please tell me how he accepted that even though he has no bank account, driving license or residency in Saudi Arabia. OMG how did he ever manage to receive it ?!?!

This is a federal case. The numbers being reported are the same numbers the IRS has.

Your argument is completely nonsensical on it's face. You are claiming that the UFC has been lying to the government for years about millions of dollars it has paid to its fighters and has also convinced every single fighter to lie about their income when they do their taxes. That's absolutely ludicrous.

 

[tastaylvr]

Once again, WHY WOULD ENDEAVOUR CONCEAL PAYMENTS TO FIGHTERS? There is no tax benefit to do so. That’s not how taxes work.

exactly lol

the guy you are talking to is an absolute idiot

this is what happens when we are in the age of the financial influencer

 

[tastaylvr]

They don’t. The IRS knows the bonuses, the company just don’t publish it to oversell it and use it as a retention and reward tool for its contractors

Public what? This is a fucking federal case. What are you talking about?

Do you even know what this case is about?

 

[BigOlJeet]

First Conor financial fans now Ngannou financial fans.

 

[El Fernas]

He allegedly made 10M and who knows what else...but he is surely making bank twice, was that the case in MMA? We dont know, no fight would pay the same as Jones while many will pay as much as Fury if not more because of a better split, it worked out for him, i wanted to see him in MMA but im ok with Boxing.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

This is a federal case. The numbers being reported are the same numbers the IRS has.

Your argument is completely nonsensical on it's face. You are claiming that the UFC has been lying to the government for years about millions of dollars it has paid to its fighters and has also convinced every single fighter to lie about their income when they do their taxes. That's absolutely ludicrous.

You mean like the charges the former president of the USA is facing?

Where he unreported earnings and defrauded loans?

Yup never happens...

Lol ..

You'd be surprised how many corporations operate on illegal and legal premises at the same time....

I work in construction in Canada and there is litterally two economies at play at any given time for any company big or small and thats on paper workers and cash guys ...this is an everyday thing...you dont tell them to lie about their income you...they already understand if its cash it never happened...that could very easily happen in the UFC....

Creative accounting look into it...

 

[Fisticuffa]

Public what? This is a fucking federal case. What are you talking about?

Do you even know what this case is about?

The funniest thing about all this is that it never occurs to these UFC fanboy retards is why UFC & MMA is where the talk always goes to "backroom blowjobs"

You don't hear Boxers going on about how Bob Arum or Eddie Hearn gave them 20 million in the "backroom" while their public guaranteed purse was 5 million

UFC has some of the lowest IQ fans on the planet as shown in this thread where you have multiple idiots still going on about "backroom bonuses" after the court forced UFC to disclose fighter pay (where it is to UFC's advantage to inflate pay as much as possible in this case)