Media Cruz is confident Jones beats Aspinall after Gane exposed Aspinall’s wrestling

[MMACro]

Well he couldn’t even get in distance to setup more shots. If he could have taken Gane down, he would’ve.

Yes he took down Volk who is a kickboxer. Jones has taken people like Cormier down.

I find it hard that to think a prime Jones wouldn’t completely dominate the grappling.

40 year old Jones probably still dominates the grappling.

I think he wanted to make a statement and prove a point in stand up as he was finishing guys quickly. Wasnt going all that well and went for a single takedown that failed.We seen that happen many times in fights.Doesnt mean he cant take Gane down,data is just too small to make those conclusions.

Hmmm I dunno man. Even Gane took Volkov down twice and he's got zero grappling according to most on here. Maybe he just doesn't have the best ttd.

I mentioned Volkov not because he is some known anti wrestler/grappler but because the way Tom did it was impressive regardless of the skill Volkov posess.
Because both takedowns in that fight can happen to pretty much anyone unless you're really elite wrestler winch Gane is not.Thats why i mentioned (if) he gets caught out of position in that second he is going down
What Tom did was shooting a takedown with no set up from a good/big distance winch allowed Gane to easily react and defend.I think Tom definitely misjudged the distance winch Gane should get credit for also.
Each fight is different and thats why we need rematch for conclusion winch hopefully answers lot of questions we all have
As i said on other thread i think Tom comes better prepared for Gane's style in stand up and wins but this also gives time to Gane to improve more and exploits some holes in Tom's game.Intersting fight ahead for sure

 

[dipstickjimmy]

Tom is certainly not a better striker he has better hands. but Jones range management and low kicks with reach give him the edge. Jones would have to sandbag or lose a step considerably to lose to Aspinall which of course is possible with his age and mileage but skill for skill Jones is very likely better everywhere. It's hard to compare the two with the sample sizes we have.

Aspinall does have power to equalize the skill gap

Well Jon thought Tom was enough of a threat to pay $30M to not have to fight him. Think about that for a second. Would you get in a cage with Tom Aspinall for $1M? How about $100k? how low does that number go yet Jon gave up $30M. In fact a lot more. Had Jon already beat Tom he is 100% on the WH card vs Alex in a Superfight of the LHW champ vs HW champ. That's not happening so another $30M given up plus endorsements he has lost no longer being a UFC champion.

That invalidates your opinion and my opinion's value here. Jon believed Tom beats him enough to give up $60M plus. Pretty telling stat.

 

[SamuraiBro]

Jones with or without syringe sticking out of his ass?

USADA is gone, there’s barely any drug testing nowadays.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Jones eye pokes are even better, so maybe he has a point.

 

[AstralPanda]

Dominick Cruz confident Jon Jones beats Tom Aspinall: ‘He just faced guys that couldn’t really wrestle’

Dominick Cruz thinks some of Tom Aspinall’s weaknesses were exposed in disappointing UFC 321 performance.

www.mmafighting.com

 

[TheBulge]

I agree with him, I think Jon would take a lot of Tom's punches in order to tire him out(sorry Dom I had to do it).

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Tom having a 100% td rate in the UFC before the Gane fight could very well be because he was only fighting guys who had no wrestling.


Or it might be because he only shot against 3 opponents in 9 fights, 4 times total. So it's not really his wrestling ability that has been securing him the majority of his wins.

 

[loisestrad]

No matter what you believe happened in Aspinall vs. Gane, it's pretty obvious that said fight leaves you with the impression that Jones would have beat Aspinall, had he (Jones) actually wanted the fight.

In a way you can say that Aspinall was lucky that Jones ducked him, cuz as things stand, Aspinall still has a chance of turning things around by winning a rematch vs Gane.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

I agree with him, I think Jon would take a lot of Tom's punches in order to tire him out(sorry Dom I had to do it).

*Dom at the commentator's table as Aspinall makes the walkout*

"We've got a huge main event here folks, but I gotta tell ya: After rigorously analyzing their skills, I can confidently say that Tom has no chance of winning this fight. Hey Anik, who is refereeing this one?"

*The scent of alcohol & cigarettes hits his nose.*

 

[b00tysweat]

Jon was right

Tom isn't there yet.

 

[tenniswhiz]

Jon was right

Tom isn't there yet.

Would have been a better choice of an opponent than a retired 42 yr old who hadn’t fought in over 3 yrs, and was brutally knocked out in his last fight over 3 years ago

 

[loisestrad]

Would have been a better choice of an opponent than a retired 42 yr old who hadn’t fought in over 3 yrs, and was brutally knocked out in his last fight over 3 years ago

No, it wouldn't. Stipe is (obviously) far above Aspinall as legacy goes, so why not choose him, when you're (obviously) getting up there in age yourself as well?

That was a smart move by Jones, carreer wise.

Had he beat Aspinall, which he probably would have, who has he beat? A nobody. Literally a nobody. A nobody whose biggest claim to fame is that Jones ducked him. Don't refute that statement, it's true.

Instead Jones got to beat old Stipe who did actually come with great legacy.

 

[b00tysweat]

Would have been a better choice of an opponent than a retired 42 yr old who hadn’t fought in over 3 yrs, and was brutally knocked out in his last fight over 3 years ago

you are talking about the UFC HW GOAT, the man with the most title defenses at HW, correct?

 

[goOb]

Shame we will never get the fight cause Jones wouldn't sign the contract and now Tom is a pirate.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

No, it wouldn't. Stipe is

Stipe didn't have an "is." He wasnt an active fighter. He only had a "was."

Instead Jones got to beat old Stipe who did actually come with great legacy.

Did it? I haven't seen anyone praise him for it, except for the people paid to glaze him. It was the double belt that added to his legacy. The Stipe fight just added to his payday

 

[RockyLockridge]

No matter what you believe happened in Aspinall vs. Gane, it's pretty obvious that said fight leaves you with the impression that Jones would have beat Aspinall, had he (Jones) actually wanted the fight.

In a way you can say that Aspinall was lucky that Jones ducked him, cuz as things stand, Aspinall still has a chance of turning things around by winning a rematch vs Gane.

Legacy wise, jones has nothing to gain from that fight. I think his legacy is cemented, he just wants fights that mean something to him rather than "just another title fight" tom is just another title fight, like reyes or gane

Did it? I haven't seen anyone praise him for it, except for the people paid to glaze him. It was the double belt that added to his legacy. The Stipe fight just added to his payday

He still gets to say he beat the most accomplished HW in UFC history. Islam is looking to do the same with the Usman win. We know at this point garry or morales is a better win. But in jones eyes a 2x UFC HW champ with 5 title wins is a better win than say gane who has zero title wins. even if you believe gane would be stipe. In islams eyes, beating usman a 6x title fight winner is better than garry or morales who have never fought for a title.

you never know. When jones "beat" reyes, i don't see everyone giving him a ton of credit for beating him (split decision not withstanding) and we dont view it as one of his best wins, despite that fact reyes was undefeated when it happened, mostly because reyes went to lose a bunch right after. beating Aspinall, the exact same thing could have happened, and we'd look at it as just another win against a flash in the pan. like Till vs woodley. So i understand why they go for these sure shots against cemented legacies.


I dont love it. Or agree with it. but I do understand it.

 

[loisestrad]

Stipe didn't have an "is." He wasnt an active fighter. He only had a "was."


Did it? I haven't seen anyone praise him for it, except for the people paid to glaze him. It was the double belt that added to his legacy. The Stipe fight just added to his payday

I'm not paid to glaze him. The Stipe fight was a beautiful way to ride into the sunset. (Happened a bit late due to injuries though).

I know you don't like Jones, and that you're letting your hatred cloud your vision. So be it.

 

[jeff7b9]

People saw a whole lot of what they wanted to see in that round.

Fuckin mma rorschach blotter.

 

[Clark Rogers]

Tom is certainly not a better striker he has better hands. but Jones range management and low kicks with reach give him the edge. Jones would have to sandbag or lose a step considerably to lose to Aspinall which of course is possible with his age and mileage but skill for skill Jones is very likely better everywhere. It's hard to compare the two with the sample sizes we have.

Aspinall does have power to equalize the skill gap

I think people that say this kinda shit have forgotten, or never watched, Jones throughout. Ask Rampage how shitty a striker Jones is/was, or several others.

I'm with you, Tom may have better boxing. He don't have the kicks, elbows, spinning elbows, etc.

 

[Krixes]

Idk if anyone really thought Tom was some high level wrassler. He's an explosive, powerful guy with submissions. Taking down Volkov, or 50 year old AA doesn't mean much.