Aspinall's wrestling ability vs Jones (Gane fight comparison)

[snaportap21]

Totatlly different sequence. Gane threw the most sloppy punch of his life, putting himself so off balance that basically turned his back to Jones, giving Jones a free takedown. Not only has Gane never threw such a sloppy punch ever before, but I can't remember when someone threw such a sloppy punch in a ufc fight since CM punk.

So it was Gane having an inexplicable brain fart.

Gane didn’t have a brain fart. Jon was constantly pressuring Gane why Gane had to throw that cross. He did that to try and stop Jon’s pressure. Jon was cutting off the cage and catching kicks while slowly pressuring.

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

Tom is not known for his wrestling or takedowns at all.

Gane isn't known for tdd but easily defended Tom's td.

My guess is Tom gets a TKO or hurts him enough to get a td

It was one "attempt" if you can even call it that he was not very committed to it and got eye gauged in the process. I just don't think extrapolating that one very brief wrestling encounter across a 25 minute fight is realistic. If Tom really wanted a takedown he would do his rugby tackle and go all out. The shot in the 1st round felt more like giving Gane something to think about and test the waters a bit just to see how easy it would be. He felt some resistance, and again, a fucking eye poke, and quickly let go without fighting or struggling for the TD.

And I could be wrong. Maybe Gane would beat Tom in a straight freestyle wrestling match idk. I am only speculating based off of what I've seen and believe to be true.

 

[downthepines]

I wonder if Tom has the wrasslin to get Gane down, I am sure he outgrapples him but can he get him to the ground. I do think Gane has improved, and has incredible foot speed at HW. Very interested in the rematch. I don't know if Tom could stop Jones offensive wrestling, and I can't stand Jones.

 

[icemun]

Something I saw although briefly in Tom vs Gane today was how easily Gane stuffed Tom's takedown versus how easily Jon chain wrestled Gane in their fight. Gane has been wrestling and working on his defense but I think people may have overestimated Aspinall's wrestling and takedown ability and defense. He isn't an accomplished or elite wrestler. He comes from a boxing, Jiujitsu and rugby background. His takedowns are bull rush football or rugby tackles. He cannot chain wrestle like Jones. Jones gets a hold of people and can chain wrestle them to the ground with double legs, trips and sweeps. Jones may take Aspinall down and then maul him if they fight. Also, I know GSP doesn't come from an elite wrestling background either but he has great distance and range management due to his karate background which enables him to feint and then level change into an explosive power double something Tom clearly lacks.

it occured to me that,

maybe Tom is not the Jones killer people are trying to peddle him to be?

 

[Steve Fox]

Maybe Gane should've tried to stuff Jones' takedown the same way as he did Toms?

He actually did.

maybe Tom is not the Jones killer people are trying to peddle him to be?

He never was.

 

[Tweak896]

It's very interesting how the conversation about Gane/Aspinall has shifted from before the match. Gane by stuffing 1 takedown dropped Aspinall's TD accuracy from 100% to 80%. Prior Gane was basically treated like he had zero grappling and is an easy 1 round takedown and sub guy. Now people are giving it some respect questioning if Aspinall can even get him there, which is a more grounded assessment.

I don't think Gane is a great anti-grappler, but he's not as trash as said before. Basically some people prior used "Aspinall is so big and fast" to fill in the gaps of what they didn't know and totally overlooked Gane being big as fast as well. Every opponent knew Gane is a French Kickboxer, but he spent very few fights on the ground or getting submitted. He does a good job keeping range from takedowns and has B level grappling.

The good take away from this fight is there is more grounded discussions here, enough 1st round Aspinall subs or KO predictions. Although it's HW and can happen, Gane doesn't have the same flaws many of the others did. I'm not convinced Gane's BJJ isn't bad enough or Aspinall's BJJ isn't great enough to guarantee a sub even if it does hit the mat. It's cool to see Aspinall get his first real test besides Arlovski kind of. Going to be interesting to see what happens if he doesn't get the finish early and what he's going to rely on.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Maybe Gane should've tried to stuff Jones' takedown the same way as he did Toms?

In the rematch, every time Gane's fingers touch his eyes, Aspinall has to complain and take a timeout.

Gane needs to be banned from using this defense and forced to lose points every time he does it.

 

[nostradumbass]

I agree but Gane has thrown super sloppy punches in other fights too.
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Finishing sequences or swinging at a rocked opponent are almost always pretty sloppy. The cross Gane threw at Jones had no setup, no jab or reaction he was acting on, no parry, wasn't a counter, they weren't circling or moving and the distance wasn't even close enough for it to land without throwing his whole body forward. It was just them standing there at kicking distance and he just randomly decided to leap across with a plain single cross like it was a bar fight.

 

[TriangleMonkey]

Jones went to fucking Iowa after high school, not to mention he was a NY state champ

They put him in a local college to up his grades his freshman year so he could join the legendary Iowa D-1 program

Jon still won a national title at jr. college and immediately bailed for Jacksons MMA and pursued fighting instead of wrestling

Jon is light years ahead of Tom in wrestling, especially his MMA wrestling


Edit: even in the Gane TD, it may have looked sloppy but he pulled Gane backwards so that Gane would lean forward, then used a knee-block drag to the floor. It was a pull/push sequence, a setup, not just a bear hug

 

[BowserJr]

It was one "attempt" if you can even call it that he was not very committed to it and got eye gauged in the process. I just don't think extrapolating that one very brief wrestling encounter across a 25 minute fight is realistic. If Tom really wanted a takedown he would do his rugby tackle and go all out. The shot in the 1st round felt more like giving Gane something to think about and test the waters a bit just to see how easy it would be. He felt some resistance, and again, a fucking eye poke, and quickly let go without fighting or struggling for the TD.

And I could be wrong. Maybe Gane would beat Tom in a straight freestyle wrestling match idk. I am only speculating based off of what I've seen and believe to be true.

If you count when he got poked thats 2.

The 1st one, he went for it until Gane got away