Elections 2020 Democratic Primary Thread v4

[Farmer Br0wn]

I know there are a lot of people who like Bernie on this website but I rarely see topics about Andrew Yang. We haven't ever had a candidate who is as compassionate and able to bring both sides together as well as Yang has so far in his grassroots campaign. This guy understands what is going on in this country and while I respect Bernie Sanders, I think his time has past. He has been saying the same stuff for 40 years and everyone says this is an example of how strong he is but I see it the opposite and here is why

Bernie hasn't realized that the world we live in today is completely different from the time his original ideas sprouted. He talks about a living wage yet 15 dollars an hour is a joke in many places that would do nothing to eliminate poverty. Companies would cut hours and even possibly jobs and replace them with automated kiosks. Yang is the only candidate talking about UBI and this would be a universal program that would not further divide people and help both those who earn under and above 15. It is essentially a 6+ dollar an hour wage increase for everyone. Let's also keep in mind that raising a minimum wage does nothing for stay at home moms and dads.

Bernie also has no clue about AI. Yang is totally right about China spending a ton of resources on the development of artificial intelligence. By implementing a UI that scales with inflation we can have a safety net in place for the next wave of automation. By having this safety net we can then proceed to accelerate the advancement of AI without worrying if people will be sleeping on the streets. I don't think we can ever solve poverty 100% because there will always be some outliers but Yang's plan is so far ahead of Bernie who just wants to make you a slave to the government for 15 bucks an hour.

Anyway, I sincerely hope there are people here who are willing to spread the word and choose a once in a lifetime candidate that will bring both the right and left together.

Please go to yang2020.com and support this guy.

Andrew Yang A-B tests every single word he says before it makes it to public consumption.

Knowing this, how would we ever know if what Andrew Yang is saying is his honest opinion, or just him using carefully-chosen language in order to manipulate us?

For all of his faults, President Trump speaks off-the-cuff enough to the point where we're all fairly sure we know what his honest opinion is.

 

[Zazen]

Yang is a cool guy, but he is polling at 2-3% right now, as he has been all along.

The first votes are going to be cast is just over six weeks.

If you cared about Yang's campaign, you should have gotten involved a long time ago.

It seems like it is down to Bernie or Joe.

Mayor Pete has a chance because he is doing really well in early voting states, so he could hypothetically build some momentum.

I've been phone banking and stuff for months now. I just don't post so much on this forum, this place makes me feel really crappy and I avoid it most of the time.

 

[Stoic1]

Nah. Trump gets killed by anyone

Lets just put a pin in this, shall we?

 

[Zazen]

Andrew Yang A-B tests every single word he says before it makes it to public consumption.

Knowing this, how would we ever know if what Andrew Yang is saying is his honest opinion, or just him using carefully-chosen language in order to manipulate us?

For all of his faults, President Trump speaks off-the-cuff enough to the point where we're all fairly sure we know what his honest opinion is.

Why do you think this? The guy has sat down with pretty much everyone. He's been on Rogan, Breakfast club, Shapiro, Fox news, etc. Are you saying that he has memorized responses for EVERYTHING? I mean the guy comes off as the most authentic candidate by far. He has even been giving out his own money to people

 

[luckyshot]

President Trump speaks off-the-cuff enough to the point where we're all fairly sure we know what his honest opinion is.

Man, you've been spending too much time around manure; you don't even smell it anymore.

You really think that a habitual liar, serial defrauder, carnival barker, and career conman is telling the TRUTH just because he's speaking "off the cuff"?

I mean, really?

I guess this explains a lot.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

I actually kinda like Yang
1) he seems honest, and earnest
2) Obviously i don't think he'll win, but i think UBI is one of the ideas that needs to be looked into w/ advanced automation and working from home (independent contracting) on the rise

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

Man, you've been spending too much time around manure; you don't even smell it anymore.

You really think that a habitual liar, serial defrauder, carnival barker, and career conman is telling the TRUTH just because he's speaking "off the cuff"?

I mean, really?

I guess this explains a lot.

I said his honest opinion, not objective truth.

It's quite humorous though that you saw the word honest and President Trump in the same sentence and your TDS got triggered so badly that you didn't even bother to use basic reading skills.

 

[luckyshot]

I said his honest opinion, not objective truth.

It's quite humorous though that you saw the word honest and President Trump in the same sentence and your TDS got triggered so badly that you didn't even bother to use basic reading skills.

Hmm, yeah, his honest opinion. Just like his scam charity that he had to pay millions of dollars over, and his scam university, and the long list of contractors who have sued him for breaking contracts, and just like his tax returns that the guaranteed he'd show once the election was over...

All that was just him being honest.

Yeah, I guess I'm the one with TDS.

 

[ultramanhyata]

I'd probably take Trump again over a bunch of other candidates but I'm not going to sit on the sidelines and assume Yang will fail.

Unfortunately, it's Yang supporters like you who make so many progressives mistrustful of Yang.

Yang is similar to fighters about whom it is said "I don't dislike him. But his fans suck."

 

[Zazen]

Unfortunately, it's Yang supporters like you who make so many progressives mistrustful of Yang.

Yang is similar to fighters about whom it is said "I don't dislike him. But his fans suck."

What are you talking about? You're making some pretty big assumptions here. Most Yang supporters have been really nice that I've met. Why are you saying his fans suck?

I simply said Trump is preferable to a lot of other candidates running and I think that even some other leftists would agree. When you have people like Biden, Buttigieg, Klobuchar running please tell me how I'm wrong? They're as much of the establishment that Trump is if not even more so. I like Bernie and would probably be my 2nd pick but I just greatly prefer UBI to FJG

It is pretty silly to just make a huge blanket statement like that especially if you haven't actually done any canvassing or been to a rally.

PS: Why is someone not progressive if they don't 100% align with the policies you like? UBI, all drugs decriminalized, prostitution decriminalized, ending forever wars, etc is not progressive enough?

 

[SpartanKhmy]

I'd probably take Trump again over a bunch of other candidates but I'm not going to sit on the sidelines and assume Yang will fail. He has been on a roll lately and I don't intend to give up. I just donated 50 bucks again.

One thing I like about Yang is his tackling of the swing states that got Trump elected. When Hilary went up against Trump, her message of everything is good just did not resonate with the people that mattered in the swing states. You had the MSM calling it a landslide victory for Hilary and lo and behold, Trump ended up winning. I'm between Warren, Sanders and Yang. Would love to see Yang as running VP, no? All the TDS afflicted MSM and celebs will help Trump get reelected.

 

[aunshi189]

I've been phone banking and stuff for months now. I just don't post so much on this forum, this place makes me feel really crappy and I avoid it most of the time.

Well I think you're great and should feel great


I think Yang is an interesting wildcard at the moment but won't get much further.

 

[Zazen]

Well I think you're great and should feel great


I think Yang is an interesting wildcard at the moment but won't get much further.

Nobody knew who Yang was a year ago and not he is number 5, I think he already did the most difficult part in simply becoming recognized and this was with the media working against him. Now that he's getting bigger they're starting to treat him nicer (well not MSNBC) and we are starting to see an influx in new supporters. I think he is going all the way and hey if you don't think he is going to win then just vote for him in the primary anyway just to get his ideas further.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

Unfortunately, it's Yang supporters like you who make so many progressives mistrustful of Yang.

Yang is similar to fighters about whom it is said "I don't dislike him. But his fans suck."

Yeah I was pretty skeptical of him at first like Gabbard.

But he seems to be supportive of the other Dem candidates and expect him to fully support who ever gets nominated

But anybody who supports Yang but would vote for Trump over any of the Dem candidates.....

 

[bobgeese]

I certainly appreciate his nature of “looking forward”.

 

[Zazen]

Yeah I was pretty skeptical of him at first like Gabbard.

But he seems to be supportive of the other Dem candidates and expect him to fully support who ever gets nominated

But anybody who supports Yang but would vote for Trump over any of the Dem candidates.....

You guys think too black and white. Yes Yang would probably support a democrat, he's a nice guy and he wouldn't want to hurt his chance of running again or getting a position but keep in mind that there are a ton of establishment candidates who would change nothing in office. It's not that absurd for someone to support a progressive candidate and then switch sides if it means someone like Hilary getting in office. I know a ton of Bernie candidates who voted for Trump.

For me it is Yang #1, Bernie #2. I gave up on Tulsi because I dislike her attitude. Protesting the debate? Like why did I send you money if you don't want to get your message to people? Seems she is more concerned with disrupting other candidates than winning.

So yes there is a good chance I'd vote for Trump over someone like Amy fucking Klobuchar

 

[Fluffernutter]

I liked his joke, even if the audience didn't

 

[ultramanhyata]

PS: Why is someone not progressive if they don't 100% align with the policies you like? UBI, all drugs decriminalized, prostitution decriminalized, ending forever wars, etc is not progressive enough?

It's sort of crazy that you think the Trump GOP is somehow in greater alignment with these positions than centrist democrats.

I also have high regard for Yang. I have taken flack for defending him against the charge that he is a libertarian trojan horse secretly plotting to dismantle the social safety net.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

You guys think too black and white. Yes Yang would probably support a democrat, he's a nice guy and he wouldn't want to hurt his chance of running again or getting a position but keep in mind that there are a ton of establishment candidates who would change nothing in office. It's not that absurd for someone to support a progressive candidate and then switch sides if it means someone like Hilary getting in office. I know a ton of Bernie candidates who voted for Trump.

For me it is Yang #1, Bernie #2. I gave up on Tulsi because I dislike her attitude. Protesting the debate? Like why did I send you money if you don't want to get your message to people? Seems she is more concerned with disrupting other candidates than winning.

So yes there is a good chance I'd vote for Trump over someone like Amy fucking Klobuchar

Yeah makes sense.

Trump and the GOP are actively trying to take healthcare from people especially those with pre existing conditions.

He's also cutting food stamps, consumer and environmental protections, eroding away the Earned Income Credit.

It makes perfect sense for a Bernie fan to support that over Klobuchar

 

[Trotsky]

What kind of moran would think Yang would make a remotely good president?

I'd probably take Trump again over a bunch of other candidates

Oh..

At least you're applying yourself to the political process. Hopefully, through your exposure, you'll come to realize that Yang isn't a good candidate and that every single Democratic candidate, including Yang, would be a massive improvement over Trump.

Unfortunately, it's Yang supporters like you who make so many progressives mistrustful of Yang.

Yang is similar to fighters about whom it is said "I don't dislike him. But his fans suck."

Meh, every candidate has irrational supporters.

The big problem with Yang is that he's stupid, his policy knowledge is legitimately the worst of the entire Democratic field (although probably better than Trump's), and his signature policy is poorly thought-out.

It's really, really disappointing that UBI couldn't be injected into the mainstream by a candidate who actually has a strong grasp on economic and fiscal policy, but policy wonks are generally too modest to run for the presidency without requisite political experience. And the people who are immodest enough to run for the highest office despite lacking any qualifications are generally not all that bright and are not likely to have good policy knowledge.