Elections 2020 Democratic Primary Thread v4

[AndroidRage]

Andy Yang and Tulsi are the only normal candidates on the left. But the USA aint ready for an Asian president.

A moron like this supporting any democratic candidate tells you all you need to know about that candidate. And exactly why you should not support them.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I know there are a lot of people who like Bernie on this website but I rarely see topics about Andrew Yang. We haven't ever had a candidate who is as compassionate and able to bring both sides together as well as Yang has so far in his grassroots campaign. This guy understands what is going on in this country and while I respect Bernie Sanders, I think his time has past. He has been saying the same stuff for 40 years and everyone says this is an example of how strong he is but I see it the opposite and here is why

My problem with Yang is that he's a one-issue guy AND he's wrong on that issue. There is no evidence at all that automation is taking everyone's jobs or even a higher portion of jobs than changes in the economy normally take.

 

[Trotsky]

Good to see Castro acknowledging it. Really disappointing he never got off the ground. Pretty crazy how him flaying Beto alive helped sink O'Rourke's campaign but did nothing at all for Castro's.

UBI is a great idea for a short term temporary solution, but it actually fails to address any serious issues. For a presidential campaign it’s a narrow and shortsighted goal. I hoped Yang would’ve expanded on it by now.


Still believe he would make for an excellent pick for Bernie’s campaign. He has good small business and automation insight that is appreciated

I think UBI, when properly crafted, can be the definitive centerpiece of forward-thinking economic policy.

But it's also a non-starter at this point. Because, as of today, ONE-FOURTH of the judiciary is Trump appointees. Think of how insane that is: the guy is three years into his first term and a fourth of the judiciary belongs to him. So taking an ax to the judiciary needs to happen before UBI.

And before that, campaign finance and gerrymandering reform need to happen.

But before that, the Supreme Court needs to be taken back, since the conservative majority will strike campaign finance and gerrymandering reform.

So, in short, the only way forward is continually voting Democrat up and down the ticket - for a minimum of 12 years - just to get the ball rolling on redistricting and taking back the judiciary.

Long road ahead.

 

[Zazen]

My problem with Yang is that he's a one-issue guy AND he's wrong on that issue. There is no evidence at all that automation is taking everyone's jobs or even a higher portion of jobs than changes in the economy normally take.

He is not a one issue guy, he simply brings up UBI the most because he is literally the only one running on that platform and it is his flagship policy. He is the most progressive candidate when it comes to the drug war.

Automation is going to hit us hard in the upcoming decade, just because the big wave hasn't hit yet doesn't mean we shouldn't be prepared for it. Why can't we put a safety net in place BEFORE something bad happens for once. Instead we are always reacting and playing catch up.

 

[Zazen]

A moron like this supporting any democratic candidate tells you all you need to know about that candidate. And exactly why you should not support them.

Why do you say he is a moron? Doesn't seem like a nice thing to say or productive in any way

 

[Jack V Savage]

He is not a one issue guy, he simply brings up UBI the most because he is literally the only one running on that platform and it is his flagship policy. He is the most progressive candidate when it comes to the drug war.

Automation is going to hit us hard in the upcoming decade, just because the big wave hasn't hit yet doesn't mean we shouldn't be prepared for it. Why can't we put a safety net in place BEFORE something bad happens for once. Instead we are always reacting and playing catch up.

I disagree that there is any good reason to think that automation is going to hit us hard in the upcoming decade. All signs are actually pointing to a tech slowdown (which should be the default expectation anyway). A big upturn in productivity growth (which, again, appears unlikely) would be a positive for everyone if handled correctly.

 

[Trotsky]

Six months later and this clip still kills me.

"I'M TIM RYAN, I CAN'T STOP BLINKING, AND EVERY SECOND FEELS LIKE AN HOUR."

 

[Trotsky]

I disagree that there is any good reason to think that automation is going to hit us hard in the upcoming decade. All signs are actually pointing to a tech slowdown (which should be the default expectation anyway). A big upturn in productivity growth (which, again, appears unlikely) would be a positive for everyone if handled correctly.

I'm not super well-read on this, but isn't automation set to continue displacing service workers (fast food, grocery stores)? Also, the legal profession.

 

[Zazen]

I disagree that there is any good reason to think that automation is going to hit us hard in the upcoming decade. All signs are actually pointing to a tech slowdown (which should be the default expectation anyway). A big upturn in productivity growth (which, again, appears unlikely) would be a positive for everyone if handled correctly.

Can you elaborate on this? I've never heard this take before. I already see automation hitting my local stores. There was a story just released about automated trucks hitting California this week.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I'm not super well-read on this, but isn't automation set to continue displacing service workers (fast food, grocery stores)? Also, the legal profession.

At all times, jobs appear and disappear. My claim is that the process is slowing rather than accelerating and that there is no good reason to expect it to accelerate any time soon.

 

[Trotsky]

At all times, jobs appear and disappear. My claim is that the process is slowing rather than accelerating and that there is no good reason to expect it to accelerate any time soon.

John Henry was my favorite folk hero growing up.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Can you elaborate on this? I've never heard this take before. I already see automation hitting my local stores. There was a story just released about automated trucks hitting California this week.

Economic growth is basically how many workers you have and how much output they generate per hour, right (adjusted for inflation)? So we can measure productivity pretty easily. Here's America since 1988:

For automation to generally cause problems (as opposed to for a small portion of the population, which is a constant feature of a market-based economy), that number needs to shoot up. Is there any reason to think it will? Remember that new innovations tend to make further new innovations harder. Scientific knowledge obviously grows over time, but in terms of quality of life, it's ever harder to improve. Good example is that one in five babies in America used to die in infancy, as late as around 1900. Hit 1% around the midway mark in the century. Continues to fall, but the impact of going from 20% to 1% is going to be much larger than going from 1% to 0.7%. We see that kind of issue across a wide range of fields (look at transportation progress--we went from trains going 5 MPH max in 1820 to planes flying 500 MPH in 1950 to planes flying 500 MPH more cheaply and safely in 2020). Progress marches on, but it takes increasingly small steps.

That's not to say that a spike is impossible. But it will require something big--probably a new energy source.

 

[Phisher]

 

[method115]

Whats this? Pete having his own purity test when it's convenient for him? Looks like him and Warren have more in common than he realized last debate.

 

[scoopj]

I favor Tulsi Gabbard followed by Bernie followed by Mayor Pete. Don’t like any of the rest.

 

[TidWell]

A moron like this supporting any democratic candidate tells you all you need to know about that candidate. And exactly why you should not support them.

Excuse me do I know you? why do you call me a moron I don't recall ever interacting with you before. are you an alt white Trump supporter.

 

[AndroidRage]

Excuse me do I know you? why do you call me a moron I don't recall ever interacting with you before. are you an alt white Trump supporter.

You don't have to know me. I have seen enough of the dumb shit you have posted to know you are one dumb mother fucker.

 

[TidWell]

You don't have to know me. I have seen enough of the dumb shit you have posted to know you are one dumb mother fucker.

Why are you so angry though? who does that gets emotional and sensitive like this, you must be an angry guy, check your gut microbiome man you must have bad gut bacteria. its consuming you with hatred over someone you dont know, its pretty said to get mad at someone unless they are a killer or rapist or evil person but you get mad over something I posted

seek help man its just the internet forum bro, its not serious.

 

[AndroidRage]

Why are you so angry though? who does that gets emotional and sensitive like this, you must be an angry guy, check your gut microbiome man you must have bad gut bacteria. its consuming you with hatred over someone you dont know, its pretty said to get mad at someone unless they are a killer or rapist or evil person but you get mad over something I posted

seek help man its just the internet forum bro, its not serious.

Why do you think I am angry when I am just speaking facts. Water is wet, the sky is blue, you're a dumb fuck. There is no anger behind any of it.

 

[Cash Bill 52]

At all times, jobs appear and disappear. My claim is that the process is slowing rather than accelerating and that there is no good reason to expect it to accelerate any time soon.

Is it possible that people are moving from high productivity labor to low productivity labor?
Have you read this article?