Elections Obama, Pelosi did not want Kamala Harris to be nominee: Democratic megadonor

Mr Holmes said:
I like to eat veggie sandwiches: avocado, smoked cheese, mustard, pickles, black olives, baby spinach, lettuce. They're not bad.
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the lack of bacon is disturbing, but A for smoked cheese and mustard
 
Mr Holmes said:
Very few liked her. The whole thing was a clown show. How do you have someone that did terribly in the last primary as your front runner?
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Well because she got the vp nod for the wrong reasons then Biden fucked up staying in and the vp that no one wanted in the first place was handed a nomination she had no business ever having.

It's seriously the biggest example you can point out to someone if they ask what's wrong with dei. Competence matters when it's really important, who woulda known.

No I'm not being racist I'd vote for a black woman with no second thoughts if she matched with my idea of the direction the country should go in.
 
Islam Imamate said:
So basically Biden said "F*ck you" to party elites and megadonors and instead endorsed his own VP against their wishes? Isn't that worthy of some respect? Loyalty in the face of powerful insiders conspiring otherwise?
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You’re kidding right?

lol…

Biden and his inner circle fucked the Democrat party 6 ways to Sunday

They did everything possible to hide how bad Biden condition was and then dropped Kamala on the DNC when the game was over
 
Islam Imamate said:
This guy also thought Hillary Clinton was a better choice than Biden to lead Democrats against Trump. Biden wasn't wrong to distrust his instincts and instead trust his VP, something Obama didn't do.
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What in the world is this nonsense. Biden trusted his VP? He wasn't wrong?

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When did that "trust" begin?

As for Obama, Biden was taking his time deciding whether he actually wanted to run after his son died. Clinton's campaign was already in full swing. Obama likely leaned towards Clinton for obvious reasons, but he was pretty patient with Biden and waited for him to make up his mind.
 
Sweater of AV said:
What in the world is this nonsense. Biden trusted his VP? He wasn't wrong?

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When did that "trust" begin?
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Yes, in a unique situation where they had no nominee and 100 days left Biden made the pragmatic choice to endorse his VP. You can sneer all you want in hindsight when I say he made the right choice but I stand by that. One thing people like you don't consider is that only Harris legally had the right to access the funds of Biden-Harris campaign so she was the only candidate who could hit the ground running.
Sweater of AV said:
As for Obama, Biden was taking his time deciding whether he actually wanted to run after his son died. Clinton's campaign was already in full swing. Obama likely leaned towards Clinton for obvious reasons, but he was pretty patient with Biden and waited for him to make up his mind.
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Yes Beau death's was part of the reason but its also the case that behind the scenes Obama and other party elites made way for Clinton and Obama was nudging Biden in the direction of not running.

I'm not saying that they made an obviously wrong choice, if I criticized you for sneering in hindsight I should also take seriously the circumstances the people at the time were facing. Clinton was a very good fundraiser for the party and she had momentum early on in the primary. Supposedly she and Obama had similar work styles and got along well professionally and most party elites were behind Clinton.

But my point is simply that the political instincts of Democrat party elites are questionable and I don't take it for granted that Biden erred in endorsing Harris even though she lost. He shouldn't have run in 2024 which we all agree with in hindsight but I would also say that in hindsight the party should've got behind him in 2016.
 
Islam Imamate said:
Yes, in a unique situation where they had no nominee and 100 days left Biden made the pragmatic choice to endorse his VP. You can sneer all you want in hindsight when I say he made the right choice but I stand by that. One thing people like you don't consider is that only Harris legally had the right to access the funds of Biden-Harris campaign so she was the only candidate who could hit the ground running.

Yes Beau death's was part of the reason but its also the case that behind the scenes Obama and other party elites made way for Clinton and Obama was nudging Biden in the direction of not running.

I'm not saying that they made an obviously wrong choice, if I criticized you for sneering in hindsight I should also take seriously the circumstances the people at the time were facing. Clinton was a very good fundraiser for the party and she had momentum early on in the primary. Supposedly she and Obama had similar work styles and got along well professionally and most party elites were behind Clinton.

But my point is simply that the political instincts of Democrat party elites are questionable and I don't take it for granted that Biden erred in endorsing Harris even though she lost. He shouldn't have run in 2024 which we all agree with in hindsight but I would also say that in hindsight the party should've got behind him in 2016.
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No one's "sneering." Stop being insecure. I'm just laughing at pretending like Biden made great decisions and he wasn't part of the reason they had no nominee with 100 days left. They could have gone in a very different direction and Biden is a big reason they didn't. Of course he's just going to do the easiest thing possible and throw an endorsement behind Harris once he basically fell on his face. That's not exactly a brilliant decision.

As I said, Obama was leaning towards Clinton for obvious reasons, but he still let things play out and allowed Biden to make up his mind. Biden is the main reason he didn't run. His chances were slim to none after waiting that long.
 
Sweater of AV said:
No one's "sneering." Stop being insecure.
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I don't think I'm being insecure, I think that's a fair description when someone laughs at you in a mocking tone. Hardly the worst thing by WR standards though.
Sweater of AV said:
I'm just laughing at pretending like Biden made great decisions and he wasn't part of the reason they had no nominee with 100 days left. They could have gone in a very different direction and Biden is a big reason they didn't. Of course he's just going to do the easiest thing possible and throw an endorsement behind Harris once he basically fell on his face. That's not exactly a brilliant decision.
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Well yes as I said he made a mistake in running again in 2024 but I also think the party in 2016 made a mistake by going all in on Clinton when they should've pushed for Biden.

Furthermore, given that he hade made that mistake and was eventually pushed out the best decision at that time with only 100 days left was to close ranks behind Kamala.
Sweater of AV said:
As I said, Obama was leaning towards Clinton for obvious reasons, but he still let things play out and allowed Biden to make up his mind. Biden is the main reason he didn't run. His chances were slim to none after waiting that long.
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He wasn't agnostic about a Biden run though, Biden himself has said that Obama advised him against running.
 
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