Where is Poatan all time at 205 now?

[Deleted member 504083]

Pereira fever at an all time delusional high

People claiming 40 year old gassed Jan, Hill (coming off major injury+long layoff), Jiri, Roundtree are better wins than Rumble, Gus, Volkan

DC, Rumble and Gus would run through Pereria and his entire resume, and we're still at the point where I can't even confidently pick Pereira to hypothetically beat a prime Pat Cummins lol

 

[markg171]

DC could probably come back and beat Poatan now lol.

DC would still be wheezing on the ground from the body shots Pereira finished Rountree with.

Even today every time he tries to ego grapple Pereira whenever he sees him he stops immediately after Pereira checks him back with a body shot.

Pereira knows how to crumple DC and DC's well aware his body shot weakness is there and probably worse than ever with how fat he is these days.

 

[Pierced7681]

Ehhhh, Alex arguably lost to Jan in his 205 debut and Khalil took two rounds off him last weekend.
If steroids don’t matter my top 5 would go

1. Jones
2. Rampage
3. Chuck
4. Shogun
5. Wandy

Pereira needs to fight a grappler and win dominantly to crack the top 5

 

[Pierced7681]

Cormier resumé at LHW ain't enough to be top 15

Yea I’m not sure why Cormier gets ranked so high at 205 when he was never the real champ and didn’t look as good as he did at heavyweight

 

[markg171]

Two middleweights in Dan and Anderson on short notice
4-0 barista Patrick Cummins
RNC'd AJ twice (his best win at LHW)
Gus was a split decision
Oezdemir

He beat 4 actual LHWs, two of which most consider elite.
Alex's resume at LHW is better than DC's, he beat the 3 champions before him not counting Glover in a row. DC didn't beat a single LHW champion and had a much better career at HW.

Jan
Jiri twice
Hill
Rountree
in the span of 18 months vs DC's 4 years in the division.

I don't know why we're also just ignoring that DC definitively lost twice at LHW (and arguably possibly a 3rd time) while Pereira is undefeated at LHW, as well as that DC never should've been champion at all, twice, meanwhile Pereira actually inarguably is the best LHW and there's no controversy about his reign.

 

[Local Plata]

Not even on the radar IMO.

You young people are way to quick to call people the goat or whatever. Hill and Rountree are fucking nobodies in the grand scheme of LHW, lmao. Even Jiri was a flash in the pan.

 

[markg171]

Yea I’m not sure why Cormier gets ranked so high at 205 when he was never the real champ and didn’t look as good as he did at heavyweight

DC lost 2x and was nearly finished/lost another 3x in 5/9 of his LHW fights and you've got people pretending he was some unstoppable LHW.

It's just unconscious anti-Jones hate.

 

[markg171]

Not even on the radar IMO.

You young people are way to quick to call people the goat or whatever. Hill and Rountree are fucking nobodies in the grand scheme of LHW, lmao. Even Jiri was a flash in the pan.

???

Jiri rebounded by KOing #5 Rakic in 2 rounds.

 

[Streeter]

Jones is #1
Pereria and DC tied for 2nd
Chuck and Randy for 4th tied.

If counting Pride stuff that would chsnge things as Sho an Wand would be up there n maybe a few others

 

[Pierced7681]

Jones is #1
Pereria and DC tied for 2nd
Chuck and Randy for 4th tied.

If counting Pride stuff that would chsnge things as Sho an Wand would be up there n maybe a few others

No rampage? He’s got wins over Chuck and wandy

 

[Fedorgasm]

1. Shogun
2. Wandy
3. Chuck
4. Randy
5. Rampage
6. Sakuraba
7. Hendo
8. Cormier
9. Poatan
10. Machida

*Jones is ineligible

 

[Krixes]

He's #2...DC is right there as well... Maybe they're tied for #2...

 

[Streeter]

No rampage? He’s got wins over Chuck and wandy

I said other's as well he would be in there. There's a group But just in UFC I think Pereria is ties with DC - at LHW. DC had most of his career at HW hes obviously more decorated

 

[Westbrick]

I wasn’t being biased by listing those guys, I listed the entire LHW resumes for both DC and Pereira.

And yes, exactly: Pereira has been fighting LHW for a measly year. 5 total LHW fights on his resume. Now, DC didn’t spend a tons of time at LHW, so I think it’s likely that Pereira surpasses him if he sticks around a bit.

They both have 5 ranked wins, and 3 title defenses; but DC has better names and more depth.

Neither Rountree or Hill have have significant resumes.
Hill basically has Glover (in Glover’s retirement fight) and not much else.
Rountree has…I dunno? A bunch of guys like geriatric Lionheart, Chris Daukaus, Dustin Jacoby, Paul Craig, etc. no really elite wins at all.

Rumble has a great resume, but you discount him because he lost a fight at welterweight in 2009?
Gus has a great resume but gets discounted because he was coming off a loss—against Rumble no less…

I don’t know what your issue with DC is, but you give away your bias when you say he has a weak HW resume. That’s just silly. He was undefeated at HW until basically the last year of his career. Wins over Monson, Bigfoot, Barnett, Mir, Nelson, Lewis, and Stipe.
Imo DC is a top 10 fighter all time. If he’s not in your top 10 all time, I hope he’s damn close to it. He’s one of the best ever.


Ehhh that stat is a little misleading, isn’t it?
Saying DC never beat a former LHW champ really just means he didn’t beat Jones, which is true of everyone else that fought Jones as well. Jones basically had the belt since 2011.

Meanwhile, Jamahal Hill basically tripped and fell and landed in a title fight he didn’t deserve, while he was ranked #7 or some shit.
I don’t want to hate on Jan too much because he was on a nice little win streak when he fought Reyes (shot Rockhold not withstanding). But when we talk about beating 3 former champs, and 2 of those are 40 year old Jan and then Jamahal Hill, I don’t find that super impressive.

Either way, neither DC or Poatan are near Top 5 LHW all time, that’s just preposterous. They’re both bottom of the top 10 if they are there at all.

DC ain't close to my top 20.
His resumé is weak, he never fought great competition like Big Nog, Werdum, Hendo or Fedor did, for example.
He was insanely good, but his competition is mostly weak.


Rumble was great too, probably top3 p4p puncher ever, but his ground game was a joke, Alex is like a master close to him.

 

[Local Plata]

???

Jiri rebounded by KOing #5 Rakic in 2 rounds.

In a division where beating Anthony smith makes you top 5, Im inclined to not give a single fuck.

 

[Westbrick]

Yea I’m not sure why Cormier gets ranked so high at 205 when he was never the real champ and didn’t look as good as he did at heavyweight

Even at HW is resumé is weak.

 

[Hdfi]

Dc resume is better. Rumble is a tuned up version of the roundtree. Alex beat much weaker comp

Jiri x2 > Rumble x2
Blachowicz (40 years old) > Hendo (43 years old)
Rountree > corpse of Silva on a losing streak
Hill >= Gus

 

[mraa1]

It's quite debatable. Hendo was 43 years old and 1-3 in his last 4 fights when they fought. Cummings was unranked and only had 4 professional MMA fights. Silva was 41, unranked at LHW and on a 0-4-1 losing streak.

Hill on a 4-fight winning streak is a better win.

Gus, Oezdemir and Rumble are pretty legit, but I wouldn't rank them above Jiri who was the linear champion and on a 13-fight winning streak.

I would. I don't see a case for it otherwise. A win over Rumble alone trumps Periera's entire LHW resume, and DC did it twice. Jiri's stock is inflated by his fan-friendly fighting style and his win streak in Japan's d-league. He would have been nothing in the Jones/DC era UFC LHW div. Let's also not forget that Johnson annihilated the younger version of the guy that Jiri went life and death with to get the title. And I know, "mmath is worthless" and all that but Tex didn't even last a round against Rumble, their performances were night and day. Truth is that Jiri is just not that good when you compare him to past eras

 

[markg171]

In a division where beating Anthony smith makes you top 5, Im inclined to not give a single fuck.

Meanwhile I bet you're going to call for Ank to get a title shot if he equally beats Rakic in 3 weeks.

 

[Blayt7hh]

JFC. He has like 4 wins at LHW and two are over the same guy. What he has done is awesome and unique but we obviously should not be talking g about his GOAT status in the division