Where is Poatan all time at 205 now?

[RichardHarrow]

Currently #4, moves up to #2 if he beats Magomed. Chuck and DC are currently still above him imo.

Chuck has wins over Couture 2x, Ortiz 2x, Overeem, Vitor, Wanderlei and Randleman at 205. DC has wins over Gus, Rumble 2x, Henderson, Silva, Oezdemir. Chuck's resume is clearly better, DC's is comparable to Alex's (at 205).

Damn I forget that the original Mohican was da man !

 

[tritestill]

Jones
DC
Chuck


Are we talking pure accomplishments or ability?

 

[tritestill]

Rumble and 4-0 barista Patrick Cummins (LMAO) are the only legit wrestlers DC beat @ LHW.

Post TRT ban 45yo Hendo, 41yo Anderson off the couch, Oezdemir and Gus cant wrestle. Gus could defensively he had TDD but offensively he can only hit a surprise TD here and there. He wrestling skillset and mat control were subpar.

Anthony Smith of all people outwrestled and finished Oezdemir 4 months after DC beat him and Anthony outwrestled and finished Gus 5 months after the Jon rematch. Gus and Oezdemir are the 2nd and 3rd best fighters DC beat @ LHW LMFAOOOOOO

Alex is far above DCs legacy @ LHW. Its not close. And Alex beat the lineal best LHW at the time in Jiri. DC was a placeholder for Jon and paper champ @ LHW.

You think Alex beats prime DC? Be honest with yourself there and not clearly biased.

 

[tritestill]

The only LHW who beat DC was literally the only guy who ever fought in the division capable of beating him. DC walks through Alex in a fight

 

[Hdfi]

Cormier’s LHW resume of Cummins, Dan Henderson, Anderson Silva, Gustafsson, Rumble x 2, and Oezdemir > than Poatan’s resume of Blachowicz, Jiri x 2, Hill, and Rountree.
Not even debatable really.

It's quite debatable. Hendo was 43 years old and 1-3 in his last 4 fights when they fought. Cummings was unranked and only had 4 professional MMA fights. Silva was 41, unranked at LHW and on a 0-4-1 losing streak.

Hill on a 4-fight winning streak is a better win.

Gus, Oezdemir and Rumble are pretty legit, but I wouldn't rank them above Jiri who was the linear champion and on a 13-fight winning streak.

 

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Jon
DC
Chuck
Poatan
Rampage

IMHO

 

[kingmob6]

Currently #4, moves up to #2 if he beats Magomed. Chuck and DC are currently still above him imo.

Chuck has wins over Couture 2x, Ortiz 2x, Overeem, Vitor, Wanderlei and Randleman at 205. DC has wins over Gus, Rumble 2x, Henderson, Silva, Oezdemir. Chuck's resume is clearly better, DC's is comparable to Alex's (at 205).

Dc resume is better. Rumble is a tuned up version of the roundtree. Alex beat much weaker comp

 

[don't ask]

Well what's the dude meant to do, not Alex's fault Jan wanted to stand

We shouldn't treat him like he's done something he hasn't. If it's always a question mark, then it's always a question mark.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

We shouldn't treat him like he's done something he hasn't. If it's always a question mark, then it's always a question mark.

He's done a bit already my man and who's going to beat him? I thought Brunson was a bad match up for him but that never happened, I'm trying to think of someone who can wrestlefuck him, do you know anyone?

 

[don't ask]

He's done a bit already my man and who's going to beat him? I thought Brunson was a bad match up for him but that never happened, I'm trying to think of someone who can wrestlefuck him, do you know anyone?

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You're arguing with something im not saying.

I'm saying if it never happens, it never happens, and we shouldn't pretend it did.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

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You're arguing with something im not saying.

I'm saying if it never happens, it never happens, and we shouldn't pretend it did.

What the hell are you talking about

 

[Lee Danger]

is it based on resume or on "how i think he'd perform with the current champ" or "who was the most well rounded" or "who has fought that opponent that could be a bad matchup for Alex"?

DC lhw run is not something to brag about... just to remind that people still make fun about Kabib winning the belt after beating Iaquinta...

 

[don't ask]

What the hell are you talking about

If he never gets challenged by a significant grappling threat, then that's the way it goes and we shouldn't pretend he did.

 

[yodog]

The guy is barely a LHW and you're discussing all time GOATness? Who knows. I wouldn't go top 10 yet. Has he even faced a grappler?

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

Dc resume is better. Rumble is a tuned up version of the roundtree. Alex beat much weaker comp

Two middleweights in Dan and Anderson on short notice
4-0 barista Patrick Cummins
RNC'd AJ twice (his best win at LHW)
Gus was a split decision
Oezdemir

He beat 4 actual LHWs, two of which most consider elite.
Alex's resume at LHW is better than DC's, he beat the 3 champions before him not counting Glover in a row. DC didn't beat a single LHW champion and had a much better career at HW.

Jan
Jiri twice
Hill
Rountree
in the span of 18 months vs DC's 4 years in the division.

 

[TheBulge]

Poor Rua, this man was a shoe in for pretty much every LHW top 3 list for a long time, even was called the LHW GOAT before Jones arrived.

Now he is barely ranked in the top 5 and worse, it seems he is now being ranked below guys he used to be ranked above like Wanderlei and Chuck.

 

[BFoe]

Hendo, Anderson and Ozdemir in your list just shows you're biased.

Cormier resumé is just weak as fuck, HW, LHW, anywhere.

Plus Alex is fighting at 205 for what? 1 year?

I wasn’t being biased by listing those guys, I listed the entire LHW resumes for both DC and Pereira.

And yes, exactly: Pereira has been fighting LHW for a measly year. 5 total LHW fights on his resume. Now, DC didn’t spend a tons of time at LHW, so I think it’s likely that Pereira surpasses him if he sticks around a bit.

They both have 5 ranked wins, and 3 title defenses; but DC has better names and more depth.

Neither Rountree or Hill have have significant resumes.
Hill basically has Glover (in Glover’s retirement fight) and not much else.
Rountree has…I dunno? A bunch of guys like geriatric Lionheart, Chris Daukaus, Dustin Jacoby, Paul Craig, etc. no really elite wins at all.

Rumble has a great resume, but you discount him because he lost a fight at welterweight in 2009?
Gus has a great resume but gets discounted because he was coming off a loss—against Rumble no less…

I don’t know what your issue with DC is, but you give away your bias when you say he has a weak HW resume. That’s just silly. He was undefeated at HW until basically the last year of his career. Wins over Monson, Bigfoot, Barnett, Mir, Nelson, Lewis, and Stipe.
Imo DC is a top 10 fighter all time. If he’s not in your top 10 all time, I hope he’s damn close to it. He’s one of the best ever.

Two middleweights in Dan and Anderson on short notice
4-0 barista Patrick Cummins
RNC'd AJ twice (his best win at LHW)
Gus was a split decision
Oezdemir

He beat 4 actual LHWs, two of which most consider elite.
Alex's resume at LHW is better than DC's, he beat the 3 champions before him not counting Glover in a row. DC didn't beat a single LHW champion and had a much better career at HW.

Jan
Jiri twice
Hill
Rountree
in the span of 18 months vs DC's 4 years in the division.

Ehhh that stat is a little misleading, isn’t it?
Saying DC never beat a former LHW champ really just means he didn’t beat Jones, which is true of everyone else that fought Jones as well. Jones basically had the belt since 2011.

Meanwhile, Jamahal Hill basically tripped and fell and landed in a title fight he didn’t deserve, while he was ranked #7 or some shit.
I don’t want to hate on Jan too much because he was on a nice little win streak when he fought Reyes (shot Rockhold not withstanding). But when we talk about beating 3 former champs, and 2 of those are 40 year old Jan and then Jamahal Hill, I don’t find that super impressive.

Either way, neither DC or Poatan are near Top 5 LHW all time, that’s just preposterous. They’re both bottom of the top 10 if they are there at all.

 

[BFoe]

Poor Rua, this man was a shoe in for pretty much every LHW top 3 list for a long time, even was called the LHW GOAT before Jones arrived.

Now he is barely ranked in the top 5 and worse, it seems he is now being ranked below guys he used to be ranked above like Wanderlei and Chuck.

I still have Shogun in my top 3 LHW all time.

It's quite debatable. Hendo was 43 years old and 1-3 in his last 4 fights when they fought. Cummings was unranked and only had 4 professional MMA fights. Silva was 41, unranked at LHW and on a 0-4-1 losing streak.

Hill on a 4-fight winning streak is a better win.

Gus, Oezdemir and Rumble are pretty legit, but I wouldn't rank them above Jiri who was the linear champion and on a 13-fight winning streak.

Hendo is a fair criticism at that point I think.

Silva was 0-3-1 (not 0-4-1), but I get the criticism. He came back from a leg break injury and looked ok against Nick (later overturned), and arguably could’ve/should’ve won the Bisping fight. He definitely wasn’t in top form, but he wasn’t quite in terrible form yet. He also has LHW wins on his resume—in fact, he has almost as many LHW fights as Poatan does, including the marking of Forrest who was one fight removed from being champ.

The way I see it, Gus and Rumble are absolutely elite wins, whereas Pereira just has one of those in Jiri. Not really sure how much weight to give to beating the 2023 version of Blachowicz. Rountree and Hill are Oezdemir level wins. I think DC has more/better elite wins and obviously a deeper resume overall, so I rank him higher than Pereira.

But I’ll walk back what I said about it not being debatable, because clearly lots of people want to debate it lol.

 

[BowserJr]

In terms of what he's accomplished and resume top 5 maybe

Jon
Chuck
Rampage
DC
Hendo
Poatan (maybe above Hendo)
Wanderlei

In terms of mma skill/defeatability top 10 at their absolute best

Jon
DC
Shogun
Rampage
Machida
Rashad
Chuck
Randy
Hendo
Poatan

 

[markg171]

He is way above Cormier

How many champs DC beat? AS doesn't count (no LHW titles)

There's also no repeated controversies as to how Pereira's even champion to begin with like there was with DC.