International Trump: US will take over Gaza, resettle Palestinians

[kflo]

Trump literally talked about ethnically cleansing Gaza and Netanyahu approved.

US President Donald Trump has said the two million Palestinians who would be resettled in neighbouring countries under his plan to take over and rebuild the Gaza Strip would have no right of return.

"No, they wouldn't, because they're going to have much better housing," he told Fox News. "I'm talking about building a permanent place for them."

that is trumps comments, not israel's, and it's not a plan.

But Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu praised Trump's proposal as "revolutionary and creative".

Trump says no right of return for Palestinians under Gaza takeover plan

He says his proposed US takeover of Gaza would involve "building a permanent place" for the population.

www.bbc.com

here's bibi's quote that you're snipping:

"For a full year, we have been told that on the 'day after', the PLO [Palestine Liberation Organisation], the Palestinian Authority, needs to be in the Strip," Netanyahu said.

"President Trump came with a completely different vision, much better for the State of Israel, a revolutionary and creative vision, which we are discussing. He is very determined to carry it out. This also opens many possibilities before us."

this is trumps rough plan, and they are discussing. there is no real plan.

The other countries do not want to take them in and displacing people against their will from their home is ETHNIC CLEANSING.

YOU said they wouldn't ethnically cleanse them.

Stop sidestepping and call it what it is. Have some intellectual honesty for once.

of course, you are refusing to answer a direct question (and of course other countries don't want them).

i'll ask again:

would you be against giving gazan's the option to move to other nations who agree to take them in and give them citizenship?

This article is basically saying there is no other alternative except to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians.

You've been saying for two years that there will be no ethnic cleansing - that they're only trying to destroy Hamas.

the article is saying trumps plan doesn't work but come up with something better. again, this is why it's so easy to criticize israel, because any solution sucks and there's 100% certainty that you'll be against whatever path they pick. even if it's a US plan carried out with and endorsed by other ME nations (and i get that this plan is not - which is why it can't happen right now).

i've been saying there will be no ethnic cleansing and i believe there won't be. but ideally other nations step up for a change and offer something. including accepting those who want to move there.

you also didn't answer whether israel should just leave and let hamas run gaza again.

 

[Hog-train]

that is trumps comments, not israel's, and it's not a plan.

It's obvious that's the direction it's headed.

of course, you are refusing to answer a direct question (and of course other countries don't want them).

i'll ask again:

would you be against giving gazan's the option to move to other nations who agree to take them in and give them citizenship?

Nope. They have no right to kick them out of their homes.

the article is saying trumps plan doesn't work but come up with something better. again, this is why it's so easy to criticize israel, because any solution sucks and there's 100% certainty that you'll be against whatever path they pick. even if it's a US plan carried out with and endorsed by other ME nations (and i get that this plan is not - which is why it can't happen right now).

The something better is obvious - a two state solution.

i've been saying there will be no ethnic cleansing and i believe there won't be. but ideally other nations step up for a change and offer something. including accepting those who want to move there.

What you're describing is ethnic cleansing. If another nation "steps up" and all the Palestinians are forced to go there, that is ethnic cleansing.

Why do you keep refusing to call it what it is?

And it's pretty laughable that you think another country can easily take in TWO MILLION people. What fucking country can afford to just take in that many refugees - GTFO of here. Who is paying for that.

 

[kflo]

It's obvious that's the direction it's headed.

there's no plan and noone offering a place to go. and it's unlikely trump will even have support to send US troops to execute a plan.

Nope. They have no right to kick them out of their homes.

lol.

wtf??

would you be against giving gazan's the option to move to other nations who agree to take them in and give them citizenship?

voluntary. option. their choice.

The something better is obvious - a two state solution.

the palestinian's don't even want that. and what happens to hamas in this 2 state solution? and the other terror groups? it's not feasible and you know that.

What you're describing is ethnic cleansing. If another nation "steps up" and all the Palestinians are forced to go there, that is ethnic cleansing.

Why do you keep refusing to call it what it is?

because there is no plan to do it right now.

i never said "forced" genius.

And it's pretty laughable that you think another country can easily take in TWO MILLION people. What fucking country can afford to just take in that many refugees - GTFO of here. Who is paying for that.

why do you keep inventing positions. i never said another country could easily take 2 million people.

i said other nations can offer a home for those who wish to move there. come move here if you wish? is that a hard concept to understand? with limits within any participating nation.

 

[SandisLL]

All the Israel shills on this forum were denying ethnic cleansing wasn't happening or will not happen. That they just want to destroy Hamas.

Now they're on the verge of it happening. Israel CLEARLY wants to steal Gaza and displace the locals to some other country. AND get the US to pay for Gaza's reconstruction.

What say you?

Trump and Israel might offer zelensky $ if he will take these and issue Ukr passports for them. Also might offer to accept immigrants Trump does want to kick out from U.S etc....

Iran not likely will accept them....they just loves to watch shit they had fueled years in row. With pleasure, popcorn and in comfort.

 

[Hog-train]

there's no plan and noone offering a place to go. and it's unlikely trump will even have support to send US troops to execute a plan.

Don't need to. Israel's military can do it on it's own. They just need the diplomatic support of the US to pressure other countries to accept Palestinian refugees.

lol.

wtf??

would you be against giving gazan's the option to move to other nations who agree to take them in and give them citizenship?

voluntary. option. their choice.

I just told you. Not if it's AGAINST THEIR WILL.

the palestinian's don't even want that. and what happens to hamas in this 2 state solution? and the other terror groups? it's not feasible and you know that.

Explain to me why a two state solution is unfeasible, but displacing 2 million people is.

because there is no plan to do it right now.

i never said "forced" genius.

So if they do come up with a plan to send the Palestinians to another country, you're going to finally call it what it is? Ethnic cleansing?

Trump is talking about forcing them. You voted for Trump so stop pretending as if you don't know WTF I'm talking about.

why do you keep inventing positions. i never said another country could easily take 2 million people.

i said other nations can offer a home for those who wish to move there. come move here if you wish? is that a hard concept to understand? with limits within any participating nation.

2 million people is a massive amount of refugees to take in likely costing untold amounts of money. Why would a country just willingly take this burden on? It's going to cost a fortune.

Is Israel going to pay for it or give aid to the country doing this?

 

[Blayt7hh]

Gaza should be taken over by Egypt, Jordan or Saudi Arabia... Israel and the US should make it clear that they must take it, or it will be annexed by Israel.

If those countries refuse to do their part to help their fellow Arab Muslims, they need to STFU.

Egypt is the only one that makes sense and I would support that I think, but Egypt doesn’t want the burden

 

[DoctorTaco]

would you be against giving gazan's the option to move to other nations who agree to take them in and give them citizenship?

This should be a basic human right for everyone. Why can’t they leave Gaza now or when ever they’d like exactly?

 

[kflo]

Don't need to. Israel's military can do it on it's own. They just need the diplomatic support of the US to pressure other countries to accept Palestinian refugees.

They won’t. Let’s see what actually does before you rage against Israel for trumps proposal.

I just told you. Not if it's AGAINST THEIR WILL.

The question was about those who wanted to go, genius.

Explain to me why a two state solution is unfeasible, but displacing 2 million people is.

Because they want to eliminate the state of Israel and hamas is still embedded in the population? And they themselves don’t want it.

I didn’t say displacing 2m people is feasible. But those who want to leave should be allowed to and it should be facilitated, and they need viable living conditions while Gaza is rebuilt which will take time.

So if they do come up with a plan to send the Palestinians to another country, you're going to finally call it what it is? Ethnic cleansing?

You’re pretty quick to jump the gun.

I’ll wait to see what happens and judge it based on what actually happens.

Trump is talking about forcing them. You voted for Trump so stop pretending as if you don't know WTF I'm talking about.

Trump isn’t talking about a violent, bloody, campaign. You are. So, again, you should wait before you claim you know everything.

2 million people is a massive amount of refugees to take in likely costing untold amounts of money. Why would a country just willingly take this burden on? It's going to cost a fortune.

No one country. Lots of participating countries. And trump is paying for it.

Is Israel going to pay for it or give aid to the country doing this?

It’s not even Israel’s idea. I’m sure they’d contribute. To whatever plan ultimately takes shape.

 

[kflo]

This should be a basic human right for everyone. Why can’t they leave Gaza now or when ever they’d like exactly?

Because no one wants to take them? They still need to follow immigration policy and they aren’t high on the acceptance list for visas. It’s not a basic human right. Maybe in utopia it is.

 

[Hog-train]

They won’t. Let’s see what actually does before you rage against Israel for trumps proposal.

The question was about those who wanted to go, genius.

And I'm talking about the people who don't want to leave genius. What is the chance all 2 million people will voluntarily leave their homes to become refugees? No chance that happens.

I didn’t say displacing 2m people is feasible. But those who want to leave should be allowed to and it should be facilitated, and they need viable living conditions while Gaza is rebuilt which will take time.

It doesn't really matter because it is highly unlikely all 2 million people want to leave.

You’re pretty quick to jump the gun.

I’ll wait to see what happens and judge it based on what actually happens.

I'm judging it by what's happening. Trump publicly stating his intentions is something that's happening.

You're acting like it's unreasonable to not take him at his word when he's literally been doing everything he's said he would since he became president.

He said he would do executive orders day one. He said he'd try to do mas deportations. He said he'd get rid of all the trans stuff. He's actively doing all those things.

Trump isn’t talking about a violent, bloody, campaign. You are. So, again, you should wait before you claim you know everything.

He literally said they will be placed in another country and won't have the right to return.

No one country. Lots of participating countries. And trump is paying for it.

It’s not even Israel’s idea. I’m sure they’d contribute. To whatever plan ultimately takes shape.

One country. Multiple countries. Doesn't matter. Doesn't change the fact that it's ethnic cleansing you're talking about. Israel destroyed a huge bulk of Gaza and if they send them to another country as refugees, that is ethnic cleansing.

You keep trying to shy away from calling it what it is.

Even if Israel marches the Palestinians out of Gaza at the point of a gun, you would still pathetically make excuses for it.

 

[kflo]

And I'm talking about the people who don't want to leave genius. What is the chance all 2 million people will voluntarily leave their homes to become refugees? No chance that happens.

lol. They ARE refugees. They’d be leaving to become citizens and lose the refugee tag that they’ve had permanently.

And agreed, they won’t all voluntarily leave. Some would.

It doesn't really matter because it is highly unlikely all 2 million people want to leave.

Ok, and I don’t know how TRUMP plans to deal with those who don’t want to leave.

I'm judging it by what's happening. Trump publicly stating his intentions is something that's happening.

It’s something that happened. Which was just words. Nothing actually happened.

You're acting like it's unreasonable to not take him at his word when he's literally been doing everything he's said he would since he became president.

He said he would do executive orders day one. He said he'd try to do mas deportations. He said he'd get rid of all the trans stuff. He's actively doing all those things.

He said a lot of things on the campaign that are not happening. Or not happening as he said they would. Please don’t try to pretend he executes on all his plans exactly as planned. it’s not something he can unilaterally do without lots of negotiating.

He literally said they will be placed in another country and won't have the right to return.

after saying it would be temporary.

One country. Multiple countries. Doesn't matter. Doesn't change the fact that it's ethnic cleansing you're talking about. Israel destroyed a huge bulk of Gaza and if they send them to another country as refugees, that is ethnic cleansing.

You keep trying to shy away from calling it what it is.

Even if Israel marches the Palestinians out of Gaza at the point of a gun, you would still pathetically make excuses for it.

Like I said, you’ll hate them no matter what path gets taken. There’s 0 chance, even if it benefits the people of Gaza and provides for a better future that you won’t shit on Israel.

Again this is trumps proposal and you’re shitting on Israel without even having any idea as to what will happen.

There are no good options in a region that has been at war for 80 years. Maybe by by putting more pressure on other in the region to be part of a solution will result in a brighter future for all. And the initial plan is just a negotiation tactic………nah, trump would never do that…….

 

[DoctorTaco]

Because no one wants to take them? They still need to follow immigration policy and they aren’t high on the acceptance list for visas. It’s not a basic human right. Maybe in utopia it is.

Being able to leave your country is a basic human right. Israel denies Palestinians this right.

 

[Hog-train]

lol. They ARE refugees. They’d be leaving to become citizens and lose the refugee tag that they’ve had permanently.

You're just falsely trying to label them "refugees" in their own land to subtly strip ownership of the land from them. As if they're not from Palestine.

And agreed, they won’t all voluntarily leave. Some would.

Ok, and I don’t know how TRUMP plans to deal with those who don’t want to leave.

Pretty fucking obvious what he's saying. He's going to force them to leave.

He's also THREATENING Jordan and Egypt if they refuse his demand to permanently take in most Palestinians from Gaza.

NY Times: Trump Says He May Cut Aid to Jordan and Egypt if They Don’t Take Gazans

It’s something that happened. Which was just words. Nothing actually happened.

He said a lot of things on the campaign that are not happening. Or not happening as he said they would. Please don’t try to pretend he executes on all his plans exactly as planned. it’s not something he can unilaterally do without lots of negotiating.

Yet he's actively planning on doing it and trying to force Egypt and Jordan to take in Palestinian refugees.

after saying it would be temporary.

WTF are you talking about. He literally said Palestinians wouldn't be permitted to return to the Gaza Strip as part of his plan for the United States to take ownership of the war-torn territory.

Like I said, you’ll hate them no matter what path gets taken. There’s 0 chance, even if it benefits the people of Gaza and provides for a better future that you won’t shit on Israel.

Again this is trumps proposal and you’re shitting on Israel without even having any idea as to what will happen.

There are no good options in a region that has been at war for 80 years. Maybe by by putting more pressure on other in the region to be part of a solution will result in a brighter future for all. And the initial plan is just a negotiation tactic………nah, trump would never do that…….

You're changing the topic (as you usually do.)

Answer the question. If the Palestinians are displaced to another country by Israel and Trump, is that ethnic cleansing?

 

[kflo]

Being able to leave your country is a basic human right. Israel denies Palestinians this right.

Stop it. Israel isn’t the one stopping Palestinians from getting a visa to go to other countries. It’s other countries denying them visas.

That said, do you think the people of Gaza should have the freedom to just freely enter Israel as a human right? Or Egypt?

 

[DoctorTaco]

Stop it. Israel isn’t the one stopping Palestinians from getting a visa to go to other countries. It’s other countries denying them visas.

That said, do you think the people of Gaza should have the freedom to just freely enter Israel as a human right? Or Egypt?

There are hundreds of check points, road gates, road blocks, barriers, earthen walls, and trenches placed by Israel to hinder people moving around in the area, do you think they’re just allowed to leave? They have no airport (Israel blew it up in 2001), neighboring countries who don’t want to take them in, and no guarantee they will be allowed to return.

If we are going to aim for a two state solution then it wouldn’t make sense for anyone to cross a border willy nilly.

 

[kflo]

You're just falsely trying to label them "refugees" in their own land to subtly strip ownership of the land from them. As if they're not from Palestine.

They are LITERALLY officially labeled refugees by the UN. I think it’s a bullshit label myself. But the UN insists, as do they.

Pretty fucking obvious what he's saying. He's going to force them to leave.

And how is he going to execute this plan? You make it seem as if trump presents fully formed ideas.

He's also THREATENING Jordan and Egypt if they refuse his demand to permanently take in most Palestinians from Gaza.

NY Times: Trump Says He May Cut Aid to Jordan and Egypt if They Don’t Take Gazans

They should be open to taking in gazans. At minimum the ones who want to leave.

Yet he's actively planning on doing it and trying to force Egypt and Jordan to take in Palestinian refugees.

They should take in Palestinians who want to leave. They currently don’t.

And you’re of course ignoring the fact that trump often starts at one extreme as a negotiation tactic. And it’s almost impossible to know when it’s a tactic or a promise.

But it’s almost certain in the end the US will not be behind a violent ethnic cleansing campaign.

WTF are you talking about. He literally said Palestinians wouldn't be permitted to return to the Gaza Strip as part of his plan for the United States to take ownership of the war-torn territory.

This is ALSO what was said by the administration:

Rubio on Wednesday: “In the interim, obviously, people are going to have to live somewhere while you’re rebuilding it. It is akin to a natural disaster. What he very generously has offered is the ability of the United States to go in and help with debris removal, help with munitions removal, help with reconstruction — the rebuilding of homes and businesses and things of this nature, so that then people can move back in.”

Leavitt on Wednesday: “The president has made it clear that they need to be temporarily relocated out of Gaza.”

You're changing the topic (as you usually do.)

Answer the question. If the Palestinians are displaced to another country by Israel and Trump, is that ethnic cleansing?

If they are all violently displaced then yes. Again, I don’t think they will be and you’re raging about it now as if Israel has done it (it’s TRUMP’S idea).

and lol at ME changing the question. How many times have I asked you if “would you be against giving gazan's the option to move to other nations who agree to take them in and give them citizenship?” without an answer?

And, at the end of the day, what matters most is the future of the people of Gaza and moving forward with hope and not violence.

The status quo ain’t working.

 

[kflo]

There are hundreds of check points, road gates, road blocks, barriers, earthen walls, and trenches placed by Israel to hinder people moving around in the area, do you think they’re just allowed to leave? They have no airport (Israel blew it up in 2001), neighboring countries who don’t want to take them in, and no guarantee they will be allowed to return.

If we are going to aim for a two state solution then it wouldn’t make sense for anyone to cross a border willy nilly.

That has nothing to do with whether gazan’s can immigrate to other countries. They can. Israel doesn’t control that. C’mon doc. And Gaza doesn’t just share a border with Israel……

But no, the idea of free movement into Israel for Hamas is absurd.

The idea of a 2 state solution at the moment is dead. Neither side wants it and it’s a practical impossibility.

 

[avenue94]

Gaza should be taken over by Egypt, Jordan or Saudi Arabia... Israel and the US should make it clear that they must take it, or it will be annexed by Israel.

If those countries refuse to do their part to help their fellow Arab Muslims, they need to STFU.

Yeah man, everyone knows second attempts at occupations magically go better than the failed first attempt.

 

[kflo]

Yeah man, everyone knows second attempts at occupations magically go better than the failed first attempt.

Quite the plan you are proposing. I’m in!

 

[avenue94]

Quite the plan you are proposing. I’m in!

Well if you're gonna occupy someplace you should probably not pick forces (or not lead with) that are going to be immediately hated before they even start. So I'd personally recommend picking from any of the hundreds of other countries.

Like I said, not giving Gazans a seat at the table for their own future is insanely dumb.