Crime Trump Administration Sent Legal Immigrant to Prison in El Salvador

[Lycandroid]

Trump should be first in line.

That would directly contradict your argument against sending guys away without conviction and due process would it not ?

 

[Crazy Source]

That would directly contradict your argument against sending guys away without conviction and due process would it not ?

I'll allow it.

 

[MrShady]

Haha, so now you think Donald Trump is some kind of great negotiator? He tried, it didn't work out. You win some you lose some.

You seriously typed out that Trump tried to get him out, and couldn't? And Bukele actually said no I won't release him even though Trump wants me to? This is what you're going with? Trump tried, and failed.

What a tosser you are I am not taking you serious anymore, welcome to the list among Cucks, Whippy, Seano, and the other fool Lycandroid.

"Trump really did try to get him out, but Bukele said no. Ah well he really did try tho". Lmao

 

[method115]

I think it's a little worse than that. Sagaar nearly lost his position at breaking points. I'm just guessing here but he said way too much positive things in support of Trump's fascistic regime and the commentary was almost unanimously for getting rid of him and banning him from the show.

Everyone was talking about how it looked like a split was imminent.

Then he started taking way too many days off for reasons and then he finally came back way more reasonable.

I think he bought into the cult for a while and had a come to Jesus with Crystal and a bunch of other people and saw the error of his ways.

I don't know I have a hard time believing that Sagaar and Krystal don't have a 50/50 ownership of breaking points. He would be an idiot to let her have that much control of the company when they both became so popular because of them together as a team is what people liked.

Now is it possible Krystal threatened to leave? I guess that's always possible and she has plenty of money so it's not like it would be an issue for her to begin with.

I honestly just think Sagaar like most people thought Trump would be like the 2020 version. A lot of people thought the talk was just that talk and more BS that Trump likes to spew. We are now seeing it's not like that and Sagaar has changed his stance. He's also friends with JD vance and knows him well so he probably thought JD would also be there to steer him in the right direction. Just recently though I saw him calling at JD for not standing up and saying anything.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

What part of the ruling is being ignored?

 

[LeonardoBjj]

- Will Andrew Tate be sent to El Salvador?

 

[Cartiac]

Trump must be some kind of huge bitch if the only option here is a military extraction.

Absolutely, I bet he even paid for Bukele's flight to the US, maybe even business class only to get rejected in front of the whole world!

You got any ideas how to get someone out of CECOT? From the sound of it there are a whole lot of tough guys here, maybe y'all go down and help this guy you care so much about.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Ice deports Venezuelan teen despite reportedly knowing he was not a target​

Merwil Gutiérrez sent from New York to El Salvador prison although family says he has no criminal history or gang ties

Marina Dunbar

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Merwil Gutiérrez sent from New York to El Salvador prison although family says he has no criminal history or gang ties

Marina Dunbar
Tue 15 Apr 2025 17.43 BST
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A 19-year-old Venezuelan in New York City reportedly was apprehended by Trump administration immigration authorities and deported to El Salvador despite agents’ realizing he was not whom they meant to arrest in a targeted operation.

Merwil Gutiérrez, whose family opened an asylum case after arriving in the US, was deported from the Bronx to the notorious Cecot prison in El Salvador despite his relatives’ insistence that he has no gang ties or criminal history, according to Documented, a newsroom dedicated to telling the stories of immigrants in New York City. The Gutiérrez family says it has been left without information or answers.


The teen was detained alongside 237 other Venezuelans on 24 February by US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice). His father, Wilmer Gutiérrez, told Documented: “I feel like my son was kidnapped.

“I’ve spent countless hours searching for him, going from one precinct to another, speaking with numerous people who kept referring me elsewhere. Yet, after all this, no one has given me any information or provided a single document about his case.”

The elder Gutiérrez reportedly said he overheard Ice agents saying that his son had not been the person they had come to get.

“The officers grabbed him and two other boys right at the entrance to our building. One said: ‘No, he’s not the one,’ like they were looking for someone else. But the other said: ‘Take him anyway,’” he recalled.

Gutiérrez has no criminal record either in Venezuela or the US, his family said. He also did not have any tattoos, which is a feature that US law enforcement often use to link people to the Tren de Aragua gang – a transnational criminal organization from Venezuela – and to justify their expulsions from the country.

Despite this, Gutiérrez was arrested and later deported to El Salvador, to which he has no ties.

Wilmer Gutiérrez says he discovered through a news report that his son had been deported to El Salvador under the Alien Enemies Act of 1798. He watched videos on social media that showed detainees facing harsh conditions, such as having their heads shaved by authorities and being marched to their prison cells.

“I could have understood if he’d been sent back to Venezuela,” he said. “But why to a foreign country he’s never even been to?”

The Gutiérrez family’s reported ordeal comes after the Trump administration admitted to wrongly deporting a Maryland man, Kilmar Abrego García, to the same Cecot facility.

The president of El Salvador said in a meeting with Trump on Monday that the Salvadoran government would not order the return of Abrego García to the US.

Monday’s meeting at the White House came amid a broader push by the Trump administration to remove noncitizens from the US, including people who are here legally and have not been charged with crimes.

Trump has also openly stated that he would like to remove US citizens who commit unspecified violent crimes and send them to the same Salvadoran prison as Abrego García and Gutiérrez.

I'm not, not sure
Not too sure how it feels
To handle everyday
Like the one that just passed

In the crowds of all the people
Remember today
I've no respect for you
And I miss you, love
And I miss you, love

I love the way you love
But I hate the way
I'm supposed to love you back
It's just a fad

Part of the, teen, teenage angst brigade and
I'm not, not sure
Not too sure how it feels
To handle everyday

Like the one that just passed
In the crowds of all the people
Remember today
I've no respect for you
And I miss you, love

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...utierrez-venezuelan-teen-deported-el-salvador

 

[heloder]

Absolutely, I bet he even paid for Bukele's flight to the US, maybe even business class only to get rejected in front of the whole world!

How is Trump supposed to negotiate with world leaders if he can't even get one dude back from El Salvador?

Is there a way we can get someone in the White House who isn't such a huge pussy? I bet Hillary would've gotten this guy back by now instead of being bitch-made on national television.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Ice deports Venezuelan teen despite reportedly knowing he was not a target​

Merwil Gutiérrez sent from New York to El Salvador prison although family says he has no criminal history or gang ties

Marina Dunbar

​

Merwil Gutiérrez sent from New York to El Salvador prison although family says he has no criminal history or gang ties

Marina Dunbar
Tue 15 Apr 2025 17.43 BST
Share


A 19-year-old Venezuelan in New York City reportedly was apprehended by Trump administration immigration authorities and deported to El Salvador despite agents’ realizing he was not whom they meant to arrest in a targeted operation.

Merwil Gutiérrez, whose family opened an asylum case after arriving in the US, was deported from the Bronx to the notorious Cecot prison in El Salvador despite his relatives’ insistence that he has no gang ties or criminal history, according to Documented, a newsroom dedicated to telling the stories of immigrants in New York City. The Gutiérrez family says it has been left without information or answers.


The teen was detained alongside 237 other Venezuelans on 24 February by US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice). His father, Wilmer Gutiérrez, told Documented: “I feel like my son was kidnapped.

“I’ve spent countless hours searching for him, going from one precinct to another, speaking with numerous people who kept referring me elsewhere. Yet, after all this, no one has given me any information or provided a single document about his case.”

The elder Gutiérrez reportedly said he overheard Ice agents saying that his son had not been the person they had come to get.

“The officers grabbed him and two other boys right at the entrance to our building. One said: ‘No, he’s not the one,’ like they were looking for someone else. But the other said: ‘Take him anyway,’” he recalled.

Gutiérrez has no criminal record either in Venezuela or the US, his family said. He also did not have any tattoos, which is a feature that US law enforcement often use to link people to the Tren de Aragua gang – a transnational criminal organization from Venezuela – and to justify their expulsions from the country.

Despite this, Gutiérrez was arrested and later deported to El Salvador, to which he has no ties.

Wilmer Gutiérrez says he discovered through a news report that his son had been deported to El Salvador under the Alien Enemies Act of 1798. He watched videos on social media that showed detainees facing harsh conditions, such as having their heads shaved by authorities and being marched to their prison cells.

“I could have understood if he’d been sent back to Venezuela,” he said. “But why to a foreign country he’s never even been to?”

The Gutiérrez family’s reported ordeal comes after the Trump administration admitted to wrongly deporting a Maryland man, Kilmar Abrego García, to the same Cecot facility.

The president of El Salvador said in a meeting with Trump on Monday that the Salvadoran government would not order the return of Abrego García to the US.

Monday’s meeting at the White House came amid a broader push by the Trump administration to remove noncitizens from the US, including people who are here legally and have not been charged with crimes.

Trump has also openly stated that he would like to remove US citizens who commit unspecified violent crimes and send them to the same Salvadoran prison as Abrego García and Gutiérrez.

I'm not, not sure
Not too sure how it feels
To handle everyday
Like the one that just passed

In the crowds of all the people
Remember today
I've no respect for you
And I miss you, love
And I miss you, love

I love the way you love
But I hate the way
I'm supposed to love you back
It's just a fad

Part of the, teen, teenage angst brigade and
I'm not, not sure
Not too sure how it feels
To handle everyday

Like the one that just passed
In the crowds of all the people
Remember today
I've no respect for you
And I miss you, love

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...utierrez-venezuelan-teen-deported-el-salvador

This is why they should take the Trump administrations advice and self deport.

 

[BFoe]

Absolutely, I bet he even paid for Bukele's flight to the US, maybe even business class only to get rejected in front of the whole world!

You got any ideas how to get someone out of CECOT? From the sound of it there are a whole lot of tough guys here, maybe y'all go down and help this guy you care so much about.

Laughable to characterize Bukele saying no in the Oval Office as having rejected Trump. He’s doing exactly what Trump wants.

It doesn’t seem that difficult to me—we bring back people who are imprisoned in other countries lots of times, or have people extradited here lots of times. Fly a plane down there like we’re already doing anyway; Bukele can order his release, the only reason he’s given not to is to not release Abrego Garcia “into the country”—which obviously he doesn’t have to do. You transport him from CECOT to the airport, he gets on our plane, we fly him back. Same basic mechanics and processes as when we do prisoner swaps or extradite people.

We are currently spending millions of dollars in El Salvador. Trump certainly has no problem cutting off everyone else’s funding under the sun, why the hold up now? It’s because he doesn’t give a fuck about this poor dude.

 

[Siver!]

Donald Trump says the US could deport 'homegrown criminals' to El Salvador jail

The Trump administration has sent hundreds of alleged Venezuelan gang members to a notorious facility in El Salvador, since March, but the president has now suggested that "homegrown criminals" could also be sent there.

news.sky.com

The question for right wing America is, do you respect the rule of law, or do you just think it's a bit annoying and Trump should be able to do whatever he likes?

 

[BFoe]

Donald Trump says the US could deport 'homegrown criminals' to El Salvador jail

The Trump administration has sent hundreds of alleged Venezuelan gang members to a notorious facility in El Salvador, since March, but the president has now suggested that "homegrown criminals" could also be sent there.

news.sky.com

The question for right wing America is, do you respect the rule of law, or do you just think it's a bit annoying and Trump should be able to do whatever he likes?

It’s sick and disgusting how far we’ve come from the days when John Adams risked his reputation to defend British Soldiers in the Boston Massacre because of his belief that everyone deserves due process.

Nowadays if someone they like is charged with crimes (e.g., Trump) they’ll just ignore the evidence, and if they think someone they don’t like committed a crime (e.g. Abrego Garcia) then that’s all the “evidence” they need. They’ve made being an American an embarrassing thing.

 

[Siver!]

It’s sick and disgusting how far we’ve come from the days when John Adams risked his reputation to defend British Soldiers in the Boston Massacre because of his belief that everyone deserves due process.

Nowadays if someone they like is charged with crimes (e.g., Trump) they’ll just ignore the evidence, and if they think someone they don’t like committed a crime (e.g. Abrego Garcia) then that’s all the “evidence” they need. They’ve made being an American an embarrassing thing.

I'm sure some people would prefer it if we just sleepwalked into an era where we just don't have time for due process anymore.

But that is literally the realm of nightmarish autocratic shitholes.

I didn't have America pushing for that on my 21st Century Bingo Card.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Send all the rapists and murderers you can there, may they have a big siesta on their way to hell. My point was that let's not continue the going down the road of political lawfare.

And my point is that Salvadoran politicians are being thrown into this exact same prison without trial and being held for years. This satisfies your definition of concentration camp.

I’m curious though – what is your acceptable margin of error for false convictions when sentencing somebody to a concentration camp? How many innocent people who get wrongly convicted would be acceptable by you?

And to clarify, – you are speaking of US citizens when you say send murderers and rapist to a concentration camp. So then I understand your belief is that the constitution shouldn’t apply to a US citizen if they commit these crimes?

 

[44nutman]

All Hail King Trump!
Everyone in Congress and in the Judicial Branch should just resign, or DOGE should cut them, because they are getting paid for doing nothing. If they are going to let Trump take a giant shit or in Trump case empty his diaper on the Constitution, then they should be fired.
If you told me 20 years ago, people would willingly want a King in the United States, I would have said no fucking way, but it goes to show how effective propaganda can be. Imagine justifying Trumps being King, by quoting dudes on Twitter who are being paid for Russia. I can't believe the timeline I live in.

 

[Cartiac]

Laughable to characterize Bukele saying no in the Oval Office as having rejected Trump. He’s doing exactly what Trump wants.

It doesn’t seem that difficult to me—we bring back people who are imprisoned in other countries lots of times, or have people extradited here lots of times. Fly a plane down there like we’re already doing anyway; Bukele can order his release, the only reason he’s given not to is to not release Abrego Garcia “into the country”—which obviously he doesn’t have to do. You transport him from CECOT to the airport, he gets on our plane, we fly him back. Same basic mechanics and processes as when we do prisoner swaps or extradite people.

We are currently spending millions of dollars in El Salvador. Trump certainly has no problem cutting off everyone else’s funding under the sun, why the hold up now? It’s because he doesn’t give a fuck about this poor dude.

Well Damn there you go! We don't even need anymore tough guys when we've got you! Why don't you go effectuate that.

 

[Sinister]

I didn't realize or hear the claim that these people are here for life before, or the claim of many innocents being jailled if that is true I would change my position.

However put that aside, violent gang members, rapists and murders deserve the treatment you described and worse. The minute you take away someone else's human rights, sometimes permanently at that... you have waived yours for the rest of your life.

When I think of a concentration camp I think of all the political prisoners who were held by authoritarian governments simply for being born the wrong race or minority group.

Subjecting murders and rapists to conditions like this does not make me shed a single tear.

Either you don't understand your own words, or you think they only apply to your preferred groups of people. Due process is one of the things that absolutely stamps a free society, and most people with an active brain have been critical of our justice system for many years. However this doesnt merely overhaul it, it essentially eradicates it. You and a few other keep chirping about criminals, and yet anyone who has ever written anything worth remembering about a "free" society has always stressed the importance of how people suspected of wrongdoing are treated, because the European Monarchies disappeared people at will, and violently oppressed opposition.

If you're trying to divide citizens into groups based on innocence or guilt, that's just reframing the argument to make it tolerable to deny Civil Rights to people. So is the premise of requiring that authoritarian regimes be defined by their explicit policies against minorities. Because that's not how they function. They function by creating a legal framework that allows them to target specific groups of people without it being overt, criminalizing things that they regularly engage in under the guise of alleviating one of your grievances if only they would just stop doing the thing.

It's a scam, and its not freedom. It's just a legal means to imprison or remove people under a mere presumption (of which "innocent" is supposed to be the default presumption), and without having to give them their day in Court with competent representation.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Donald Trump says the US could deport 'homegrown criminals' to El Salvador jail

The Trump administration has sent hundreds of alleged Venezuelan gang members to a notorious facility in El Salvador, since March, but the president has now suggested that "homegrown criminals" could also be sent there.

news.sky.com

The question for right wing America is, do you respect the rule of law, or do you just think it's a bit annoying and Trump should be able to do whatever he likes?

Would you like to make a 2nd bet on it?

 

[Siver!]

Would you like to make a 2nd bet on it?

A 2nd bet?



When did I make the 1st?

EDIT: Oh wait do you mean the Justin Mohn bet? I thought you meant on this specific subject