Topuria Vs Tsarukyan for #1 contender

[RemyR]

I like it. Make it happen Dana

 

[SuperAlly]

i like that from accusing me to use the strawman fallacy you are now talking about what MOST people in this topic are saying, like it wasn't the same before...

Do you really need me to read the posts in this thread? really, do we have to play those kindergarten games?

Arman is the legit next contender, but since he got injuried (like he did on purpose and ignoring that, from the top of my head, Ferguson - Khabib was rescheduled like 1 million times) he doesn't deserve Islam...
Ok, so Islam can skip fighting contenders in his own weight class....
But at the same time Top, undefeated and coming from two historically wins by kos, has to clean his division before fighting Islam, that is busy not fighting Arman...

you know what?
i want to make you angrier: i think that Volk was more affected by the lack of preparation (plus the noticeably size difference) in the second Islam fight than he was affected by being ko in that fight when he fought Top; he won't have survived that bombs from Top even if his chin was never touched before.

Bla bla bla

Refer to previous post. You made a retarded strawman.

Admit it was a fucking ridiculous argument that you invented to rail against or jog on. I don't really care about engaging in other points I didn't make that you probably want to fight against

Own your school.boy error

 

[SuperAlly]

Yes it does. It's Max muthafuckin Holloway. He deleted Gaethje in the fight before. Last time I checked Max is still a contender at 155. Technically Ilia should be above him.

No.

You don't get a title shot a weight up off beating a guy at the weight below that

That's "muthafuckin" stupid

 

[13Seconds]

No.

You don't get a title shot a weight up off beating a guy at the weight below that

That's "muthafuckin" stupid

I would usually agree but there's an exception to every rule.

 

[Karate Kid]

i think the more confused sherdoggers here who are not putting a coherent thought here, need to reflect and just state that Islam's next opponent simply is quite the predicament and shouldn't be based on what they Want to see.

arman doesn't deserve it and adds little to Islams resume.
Topuria would simply be put down as a bloated man whom Islam has beaten who moved up weight.
Gaethje is not a top contender and was humiliated by Khabib and Oliviera himself.

a bit puzzling to see how ppl deem what fighter x deserves when a better idea is to see Islam move up and do what ambitious contenders do, in Islam's case that is what i see him doing.

 

[Koya]

i think the more confused sherdoggers here who are not putting a coherent thought here, need to reflect and just state that Islam's next opponent simply is quite the predicament and shouldn't be based on what they Want to see.

arman doesn't deserve it and adds little to Islams resume.
Topuria would simply be put down as a bloated man whom Islam has beaten who moved up weight.
Gaethje is not a top contender and was humiliated by Khabib and Oliviera himself.

a bit puzzling to see how ppl deem what fighter x deserves when a better idea is to see Islam move up and do what ambitious contenders do, in Islam's case that is what i see him doing.

Thing is he won't move up as long as Belal is champ, they're friends

 

[fightfan70]

i don't understand the logic: Top doesn't deserve Islam, Arman doesn't deserve Islam... none deserves Islam unless last minute replacements and FWs....
At this point is starting to become silly.

you nailed it. i like islam, i think he is a great champion. i am a fan.

but i would like to see him fight the most qualified guys, not featherweights and last minute replacements.

that does nothing for his legacy, he has two good names on his resume. charles and dustin.

as a fan i want to see him fight either charles or arman. i dont see any other compelling matchups at 155

 

[BangBang]

If it's Ilia then I'm backing ma maan, Armaan, dan't ya know?

 

[BangBang]

i think the more confused sherdoggers here who are not putting a coherent thought here, need to reflect and just state that Islam's next opponent simply is quite the predicament and shouldn't be based on what they Want to see.

arman doesn't deserve it and adds little to Islams resume.
Topuria would simply be put down as a bloated man whom Islam has beaten who moved up weight.
Gaethje is not a top contender and was humiliated by Khabib and Oliviera himself.

a bit puzzling to see how ppl deem what fighter x deserves when a better idea is to see Islam move up and do what ambitious contenders do, in Islam's case that is what i see him doing.

i'd rather he stayed at LW and win 2-3 more fights in style and become the unfuckingdisputed GOAT at LW.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

sarukyan by murk

 

[chardog]

Ilia doesn't deserve a shot at Makhachev right now. Arman is #1 he's the perfect fight for him to become an undisputed #1 contender

Ilia smoked volk and max, that grants him any wish he would like

 

[Koya]

Ilia smoked volk and max, that grants him any wish he would like

One title defense FW champ does not deserve an immediate crack at 4 title defense LW champ. Especially when the LW champ also smoked the same former FW champ

 

[Natural Order]

Imagine using words like "earned" and "deserved" when discussing UFC matchmaking.

Of course we should want to see Ilia and Islam thrown down right now. What kind of tomato can fraudulent fan of fighting would try to rationalize away two of the baddest men on the planet throwing down in their primes? Come on man.

Fuck any concept of UFC ranking logic, that shit went out the door LOOOONNNNG ago.

 

[SuperAlly]

i think the more confused sherdoggers here who are not putting a coherent thought here, need to reflect and just state that Islam's next opponent simply is quite the predicament and shouldn't be based on what they Want to see.

arman doesn't deserve it and adds little to Islams resume.
Topuria would simply be put down as a bloated man whom Islam has beaten who moved up weight.
Gaethje is not a top contender and was humiliated by Khabib and Oliviera himself.

a bit puzzling to see how ppl deem what fighter x deserves when a better idea is to see Islam move up and do what ambitious contenders do, in Islam's case that is what i see him doing.

That's why if anyone deserves to go up and fight for champ champ it is Islam 1 million times more over Top

Islam has already twice given that opportunity to the guy below
Islam has cleared how his division, there are no relevant contenders

Top has one defence and has guys in his division who deserve their shot

Champ champ opportunities should be earned and not just for the popular, flavour of the month guys.

Do I believe that Top beats everyone in his division? Yes. But he should actually beat like Evloev and Lopes before even thinking of going up.

Or it's a Jon Jones situation. Drop your belt so your division moves on while you go looking for your fun fights.

 

[SuperAlly]

you nailed it. i like islam, i think he is a great champion. i am a fan.

but i would like to see him fight the most qualified guys, not featherweights and last minute replacements.

that does nothing for his legacy, he has two good names on his resume. charles and dustin.

as a fan i want to see him fight either charles or arman. i dont see any other compelling matchups at 155

Yep. Volk isn't a good name on his resume.

Sit down and shut up.

 

[SuperAlly]

One title defense FW champ does not deserve an immediate crack at 4 title defense LW champ. Especially when the LW champ also smoked the same former FW champ

It's utterly ridiculous anyone can support it to be honest.

I like Top. I think he beats the guys in his division.

But we may as well throw the entire thing in the bin if we are just gonna cherry pick fighters who don't have to defend their titles and can jump around wherever they want.

We've already had that farce with the likes of McGregor. Don't need to see it again.

Also, as good as Top is at LW, most likely Islam grapple fucks and subs him early.

 

[Spacebadger]

Yes i like this, make it happen.

 

[ejazahmednit]

I like this idea but the UFC doesn't this way anymore
Gone are the days of Anderson fighting Forrest and Bonnar at LHW just to give us a spectacle
Now, every champion believes they have a direct shot upwards just by virtue of being champion

 

[SuperAlly]

I like this idea but the UFC doesn't this way anymore
Gone are the days of Anderson fighting Forrest and Bonnar at LHW just to give us a spectacle
Now, every champion believes they have a direct shot upwards just by virtue of being champion

It really needs to be fair to the rest of the division

Top really needs to defend against a couple of other top guys earning their shot before even thinking of going up

 

[ejazahmednit]

It really is to fair to the rest of the division

Top really needs to defend against a couple of other top guys earning their shot before even thinking of going up

I think you are right, both Islam and Ilia have viable contenders and should be enriching their own resumes and elevating their titles