The case for a #1 contender fight

[Mohawk Banditó]

Nah nah, it's very simple and this time I'm gonna use direct quotes

"MVP and WB? You can make an argument for it" .. because .. "JDM is a not so great fighter because he went to.. a split with Kevin Holland."

See? Two fighters are about the same level because a THIRD fighter didn't win as convincingly against a common opponent of theirs. It's so perfectly reasonable.

MVP is up there by happenstance and needs to defend being up there. Wonderboy is up there by proof.

It's so incomparable, the mind boggles to imagine calling them the same

That's your quote. Here's another

And Wonderboy, according to you (because of how well MVP beat Holland or whatever dumbass math you're doing) is equal to MVP. So you see where your pick and choose bullshit falls apart?

It's all nonsense


Pick one and stick with it.

There is called being literally incomparable because there is no even ground on which to compare vs metaphorically incomparable because the difference is so obvious that you shouldn't compare them. You failed at both. Here, I'll show you.

MVP wasn't even the second best guy in a B-tier promotion, so his career and skill level CANNOT be compared with Wonderboy's, a guy who fought his title shot to a draw (and got robbed of the title in the rematch).

MVP's placement in the division can actually be compared, but is so obviously lower that there is no point to arguing it, so it is functionally incomparable.

They are not equal by either merit. I didn't "pick-and choose" either logic. I broke down how BOTH logics SIMULTANEOUSLY come up lacking.


I have crayons if you need this explained further.

Great, you might even convince yourself JDM isn't elite and I don't have to do it.

Remember the other day, you told me it's arguable Hafez won the first and second round against JDM? I do.

You're misrepresenting what I said. I said a minor argument exists for round 2, but that's even smaller than the argument that JDM won round 3 10-8.

What that means, since I didn't think I had to actually explain this, is that the CORRECT score is 29-28 JDM, and that the NEXT best score is 29-27, and that you'd have to stretch reason and logic to ignore the bigger argument that there was literally no way Hafez could win, because of the 10-8, in order to argue that he won 29-28. I was illustrating the point that the argument ONLY exists in bad faith. Which has been your whole thing since you started this argument that JDM winning a fight not as good as you wanted to, invalidates all of his future wins, even when he has the best finish over the best win since then.

It's crybaby bullshit, and I will not be able to get you to see how your bias is unreasonable.

 

[checktheknuckles]

Should've won? Maybe if it was 5 rounds he could've but that's not what happened. Usman got 10-8'd in round 1, he has no case to have won that fight. Best he could've gotten was a draw.

1st round wasn't no 10-8. No damage was done to Usman. 10-8 for what exactly? Trying to choke Usman? NO damage was done and wasn't ever close to finishing Usman. Only a low iq smooth brain gives it 10-8 to khazmat.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

1st round wasn't no 10-8. No damage was done to Usman. 10-8 for what exactly? Trying to choke Usman? NO damage was done and wasn't ever close to finishing Usman. Only a low iq smooth brain gives it 10-8 to khazmat.

Now, I didn't watch it because I had zero interest in the fight but

That's a lot of smoothbrain. Bout 1,628 smooth brains out of 2,048

 

[FreedomCricket]

Sherbois still jerkin Usman off.

The guy got tooled hard for 5 minutes by khamzat with a broken hand. He deserves nothing given the other contenders in the division

 

[Alpha_T83]

There already is a #1 contender. It's Shavkat.

Disagree. I don't want to see Shavkat become champion. He's too inactive.

Zero fights in 2024. Only 6 fights in the last 5 years. He hasn't beaten any of the top 3 challengers ahead of him (Covington, Usman, or Edwards). He should need to be more active and fight one of the 3 guys ahead of him to earn a title shot, at the very least. Inactivity shouldn't be rewarded.

 

[svmr_db]

Disagree. I don't want to see Shavkat become champion. He's too inactive.

Zero fights in 2024. Only 6 fights in the last 5 years. He hasn't beaten any of the top 3 challengers ahead of him (Covington, Usman, or Edwards). He should need to be more active and fight one of the 3 guys ahead of him to earn a title shot, at the very least. Inactivity shouldn't be rewarded.

What's the alternative though? Yeah in a perfect world Shavkat would have one more fight, but UFC wants to turn Belal back around as fast as possible & hopefully get the belt off him. Of the available options Shavkat is the best choice to fight for the title. Usman can fight JDM or Garry.

 

[don't ask]

There already is a #1 contender. It's Shavkat.

But don't overlook Sean Brady at #8 -- he's got a damn good claim to the next title shot.

 

[hswrestler]

But don't overlook Sean Brady at #8 -- he's got a damn good claim to the next title shot.

unironically I think brady would be a bad matchup for both belal and shavkat once he fixes up a few things he learned from the belal fight.

 

[Alpha_T83]

What's the alternative though? Yeah in a perfect world Shavkat would have one more fight, but UFC wants to turn Belal back around as fast as possible & hopefully get the belt off him. Of the available options Shavkat is the best choice to fight for the title. Usman can fight JDM or Garry.

I agree with you that if Belal wants a quick turnaround that Shavkat does make the most sense. But that's only a technicality due to the fact that all 3 fighters ranked ahead of him are coming off of recent losses in title fights.

I just don't see why people are fans of Shavkat. He's inactive. He'd be a terrible champion.

 

[checktheknuckles]

Now, I didn't watch it because I had zero interest in the fight but

That's a lot of smoothbrain. Bout 1,628 smooth brains out of 2,048

What damage did he do? Sniffing crotch don't get you a 10-8. Usman was never in any trouble, sub was never close.