Surprised by reaction to Ngannou’s win

Southpoor97 said:
Can someone clear me up on the reaction?

I am very neutral and I saw a Francis that has clearly declined. He looked very slow and ploddy in the feet. I wasn’t really impressed by his grappling either
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Considering he barely spent any time on the feet and beat the crap out of the dude on the ground not sure how you made this assessment.
 
frontkick1 said:
This ferreira "is not very good" makes no sense, let's not pretend the ufc hw division is something else. I'm pretty sure he has his place in the ufc top 10.
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He doesn't. Unless you want to also put the 3 guys that beat him in the UFC top 10?
 
Southpoor97 said:
Can someone clear me up on the reaction?

I am very neutral and I saw a Francis that has clearly declined. He looked very slow and ploddy in the feet. I wasn’t really impressed by his grappling either, if you’ve seen Renan grapple, you know most jobbers could do that. Took Francis a long time to advance position. Almost got caught in a triangle.

Yet online I see everyone claiming to be impressed or terrified by the performance, and I’m very confused…

I DO NOT see a guy who could challenge Tom Aspinall in any way anymore, Francis did not look the same to me.


Do you guys truly believe you saw the best heavyweight or is it more of a f**k you to Dana or Jon Jones to claim he is?

How many of you truly believe that was a good performance and he could compete with Aspinall?

How many of you would you admit a lot of this is based in emotion?

Purely curious if I live on a different planet or there is more to this?
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That takedown was beautiful
 
frontkick1 said:
Nope i'm talking about fereirra...he does
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Do you want to put the 3 guys he lost to also in the top 10? At least Abreu and Kuniev. What positions would you place them at and who would you remove?
 
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Southpoor97 said:
Can someone clear me up on the reaction?

I am very neutral and I saw a Francis that has clearly declined. He looked very slow and ploddy in the feet. I wasn’t really impressed by his grappling either, if you’ve seen Renan grapple, you know most jobbers could do that. Took Francis a long time to advance position. Almost got caught in a triangle.

Yet online I see everyone claiming to be impressed or terrified by the performance, and I’m very confused…

I DO NOT see a guy who could challenge Tom Aspinall in any way anymore, Francis did not look the same to me.


Do you guys truly believe you saw the best heavyweight or is it more of a f**k you to Dana or Jon Jones to claim he is?

How many of you truly believe that was a good performance and he could compete with Aspinall?

How many of you would you admit a lot of this is based in emotion?

Purely curious if I live on a different planet or there is more to this?
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Let the man come back from time off and death of his son dude..
 
Southpoor97 said:
The replies here confirmed that it is in fact based in emotion.

Replies have anger, insults, and some of them smugness.

Very few give a reasoned take or breakdown. Most mention “hating”, personal insults, or whataboutism.

What does Francis represent that you people so emotionally cling to him? Does he represent the fight against the power? Against the greater evils?
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The replies all provided analysis for why they felt the way they did. I didn't see any emotional responses. You're probably the only emotional person here. Your analysis of the fight is illogical so you can only reason that it's based on emotion.
 
I find it hilarious that sheepdog likes takedowns and wrestling when Ngannou does it. He shot in against a guy he should have stood with and then almost got triangled by a guy who is bad on the ground. They celebrate his win over Gane like it was some savant like performance when it was the worst case of lay and pray I've ever seen (single digit strikes and should have been stood up). What is the hard on for Ngannou guys? Is it his physique or because you all dream of standing up to your boss like he did to Dana.
 
Southpoor97 said:
What does Francis represent that you people so emotionally cling to him? Does he represent the fight against the power? Against the greater evils?
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What an emotional response. Guy is so butthurt that people gave Francis props that he's accusing people of being emotionally attached to Francis just for giving fight analysis that he doesn't agree with. Its obvious why you don't like Francis. You're too much of a pussy to come out and say it
 
Southpoor97 said:
Can someone clear me up on the reaction?

I am very neutral and I saw a Francis that has clearly declined. He looked very slow and ploddy in the feet. I wasn’t really impressed by his grappling either, if you’ve seen Renan grapple, you know most jobbers could do that. Took Francis a long time to advance position. Almost got caught in a triangle.

Yet online I see everyone claiming to be impressed or terrified by the performance, and I’m very confused…

I DO NOT see a guy who could challenge Tom Aspinall in any way anymore, Francis did not look the same to me.


Do you guys truly believe you saw the best heavyweight or is it more of a f**k you to Dana or Jon Jones to claim he is?

How many of you truly believe that was a good performance and he could compete with Aspinall?

How many of you would you admit a lot of this is based in emotion?

Purely curious if I live on a different planet or there is more to this?
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He looked out of shape, but that's to be expected given that the man's still grieving from losing his little boy. Did you not see how bad he was hurting? Personally I don't even know how he even made it to the fight much less won. Anyone with kids knows what I'm talking about.
 
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haj02 said:
What is the hard on for Ngannou guys? Is it his physique or because you all dream of standing up to your boss like he did to Dana.
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Why are you using another username to post more stupidity? Your op post wasn't enough? Also why are you questioning why people like a top fighter on a fighting forum? Youre more emotional than anyone here.
 
Southpoor97 said:
The replies here confirmed that it is in fact based in emotion.

Replies have anger, insults, and some of them smugness.

Very few give a reasoned take or breakdown. Most mention “hating”, personal insults, or whataboutism.

What does Francis represent that you people so emotionally cling to him? Does he represent the fight against the power? Against the greater evils?
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Mirror.

You are effectively just throwing back the reprimands people are addressing you.

U suk.
 
frontkick1 said:
This ferreira "is not very good" makes no sense, let's not pretend the ufc hw division is something else. I'm pretty sure he has his place in the ufc top 10.
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He isn't very good though. I was trying to tell everybody who was hyping him up and thought he had a significant chance vs Ngannou. He has recent losses to other fighters who aren't great too.

Ante Delija is a decent HW, but he's a decision merchant who finished Renan in the 1st round.

Klidson Abreu is a 205 pounder who got smoked by a green Jamahal Hill, got fat and then won a comfortable decision against Ferreira.

We aren't talking an early career loss to a can like a lot of fighters have, we are talking multiple, recent losses to middle of the road guys.

Whether he would break into the top 15 at HW in the UFC is irrelevant. After you get past like 6 in the rankings the UFC HW division is laughable.

Difference is the entire division in PFL besides Francis is laughable.
 
It was a short fight. Kind of similar to Jones vs Gane although at least Renan was able to threaten with a submission from the bottom.

Not too much to analyze but Francis got the job done and he got the job done without taking any damage. In a HW fight.

So for those who wanna praise Big Frank....this is an oppurtunity to do so.

His career would have been over if he lost this fight.
 
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