Surprised by reaction to Ngannou’s win

[CatchtheseHands]

Another Francis hater coming out of the wood works lol. Big Frank literally ran through Renan. If he was on the decline he would have struggled. Not time a perfect take down and beat him into the canvas.

 

[wildchild88]

Overachieved against a guy who barely trained and treated the matchup like a joke.

The gypsy king is the gypsy king, 6’9 multi-belt multi-time champion.

At that time considered the best in the world.

Francis started training fighting in his late 20s, bloody superhuman.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

Trying to counter emotional and delusional takes with even more emotional and delusional takes is an interesting approach OP. I don't think it works but you do you.

Ngannou won the fight without taking a single punch.

 

[deadshot138]

I mean the man just lost his son. Probably going to need a bit of time to be the same.

He'll never be the same after something like that. Thats one of those things that takes a piece of your soul

 

[El Fernas]

Its Sherdog, Jones and Dana are the #1 and #2 most hated MMA personnalities around here.

At the time Ngannou left he was at his peak, almost 3 years passed by, he boxed 2 times and got flatlined once, this isnt prime Ngannou anymore.

 

[NoSmilez]

I think he is slower and his reflexes aren't as good. It is just part of aging. He still has power and he is smart enough to take the fight where his opponent is weak at.

 

[Neck&Neck]

The takedown was the best part of his fight

I live on a different planet too, Planet Sherdog, where everybody is a Natty PFP GOAT in their Primes

 

[Oz.Pride]

What part of England is OP from?

 

[Whitestallion]

Can someone clear me up on the reaction?

I am very neutral and I saw a Francis that has clearly declined. He looked very slow and ploddy in the feet. I wasn’t really impressed by his grappling either, if you’ve seen Renan grapple, you know most jobbers could do that. Took Francis a long time to advance position. Almost got caught in a triangle.

Yet online I see everyone claiming to be impressed or terrified by the performance, and I’m very confused…

I DO NOT see a guy who could challenge Tom Aspinall in any way anymore, Francis did not look the same to me.


Do you guys truly believe you saw the best heavyweight or is it more of a f**k you to Dana or Jon Jones to claim he is?

How many of you truly believe that was a good performance and he could compete with Aspinall?

How many of you would you admit a lot of this is based in emotion?

Purely curious if I live on a different planet or there is more to this?

I understand you are a racist, and you hate his success....

Hes got one punch KO power, has only been Knocked Down in Boxing and Tom has lost 3 fights, he's not immortal.

Myself I'd favor Franics to beat Tom based on competition.

And make no mistake Jon Jones ends them both

 

[OldBoy91]

I think people are looking too far into it. Either to shit on Francis or to claim he is definitely still the world's best HW.

I don't think there's much to analyse tbh, Ferreira isn't very good. Francis got the job done early, like he was supposed to. Any less would have been an embarrassment.

Nothing much happened on the feet, Francis put Renan on his back where he is basically defenseless and punched him until he went to sleep. That's about it.

There's nobody in the PFL HW division that can really test Ngannou to the point where we can definitively say he's declined. Unless he loses to one of them anyway.

 

[Hdfi]

He looked good.

I still think Aspinall beats everyone.

 

[don't ask]

Very emotional responses. Thanks for confirming. It’s not about who’s the best. It’s something else with you people. And us and them mentality. Haters and non haters. Intriguing.

Can you please tell me how I could have written my post to be less emotional and more analytical?

 

[Southpoor97]

I don't know why people seem to like to publicly humiliate themselves on these forums.

Everyone telling you that you sound like a fool means that you sound like a fool. I guess it was hard to deal with when people gave you the honest feedback that you had asked for. Yes, you are from another planet with your stupidity. You asked us if you were, we confirmed; that's something you need to deal with.

No, you feel silly because you quite clearly displayed that it’s not about the fighters abilities but something personal and emotional with you (you are continuing to do so by making it ABOUT ME and what a fool I am instead of debating the topic).

No, I can see at least two others that agree with me. And since I’m pretty convinced people are arguing based on emotions and not logic, and the average IQ of this forum isn’t likely to be very high, I’m going to back my analysis until someone counters it with reason instead of anger and bitterness

 

[Southpoor97]

Another Francis hater coming out of the wood works lol. Big Frank literally ran through Renan. If he was on the decline he would have struggled. Not time a perfect take down and beat him into the canvas.

Again, “hater”. So emotional.

If you were confident in your analysis you would state it calmly and confidently. But no, you’re angry, because you know Francis doesn’t stand on his own as the best HW, needs people like you angrily arguing his case.

What does Francis represent to you? Why is it so personal to you?

 

[Southpoor97]

Trying to counter emotional and delusional takes with even more emotional and delusional takes is an interesting approach OP. I don't think it works but you do you.

Ngannou won the fight without taking a single punch.

Trying to counter emotional and delusional takes with even more emotional and delusional takes is an interesting approach OP. I don't think it works but you do you.

Ngannou won the fight without taking a single punch.

You people keep proving my points by trying to make it personal. Who cares if I am emotional or not. The point I am making is that, the support of Francis is emotional and personal cloaked in a facade of meritocracy and hardcore fandom.

What I want to know is who the bitterness is against? Dana? UFC? Jones? Rich people in general?

 

[Southpoor97]

I understand you are a racist, and you hate his success....

Hes got one punch KO power, has only been Knocked Down in Boxing and Tom has lost 3 fights, he's not immortal.

Myself I'd favor Franics to beat Tom based on competition.

And make no mistake Jon Jones ends them both

Okay, so I know at least one category of fan is based on race, and maybe some politics mixed in. Thanks for your contribution.

I don’t care about your (emotion based and worthless analysis - didn’t read it) predictions. Just wanted to see why you’re so angry.

 

[CatchtheseHands]

Again, “hater”. So emotional.

If you were confident in your analysis you would state it calmly and confidently. But no, you’re angry, because you know Francis doesn’t stand on his own as the best HW, needs people like you angrily arguing his case.

What does Francis represent to you? Why is it so personal to you?

I was calm when typing out my post and I was confident in what I said lol. You on the other hand are getting argumentative and emotional over people disagreeing with you.

 

[frontkick1]

Can someone clear me up on the reaction?

I am very neutral and I saw a Francis that has clearly declined. He looked very slow and ploddy in the feet. I wasn’t really impressed by his grappling either, if you’ve seen Renan grapple, you know most jobbers could do that. Took Francis a long time to advance position. Almost got caught in a triangle.

Yet online I see everyone claiming to be impressed or terrified by the performance, and I’m very confused…

I DO NOT see a guy who could challenge Tom Aspinall in any way anymore, Francis did not look the same to me.


Do you guys truly believe you saw the best heavyweight or is it more of a f**k you to Dana or Jon Jones to claim he is?

How many of you truly believe that was a good performance and he could compete with Aspinall?

How many of you would you admit a lot of this is based in emotion?

Purely curious if I live on a different planet or there is more to this?

I have another read of what happened. First of there was no evidence or signs of decline.
At this point of his career and given the pressure he had on his shoulders, we couldn't expect him to be this wrecking machine he once was.
instead I saw a calm and collect Ngannou who never backed down, he was able to apply a perfect strategy that has been drilled in training camp.
His ground work may had some flaws but the set up to this beautiful take down was perfect. He was able to maintain his top position until this GNP from hell ...and that was it. Quick and clean.
Given all the circumstances it was impressive in my book.

From there some ppl came out saying fereirra is a can this and that..but if we're being honnest we know how really dangerous this guy is, i mean he'd easily held his own in the ufc top 10 HW

Not saying it was the most impressive ngannou we've ever seen, but we got to give him the respect he deserves and i still think he is one of the very best HW right now.
And i also think he should retire now ending up as the greatest if not one the greatest succes story ever.
He has everything aligned to go far and make great things in term of personnal accomplishments.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

He was fighting a 6ft8 fighter with KO power and zero grappling.

He found his chance and mauled the dude on the ground. I wanted him to stand and bang but he took zero risks, did the smart thing and got the easy W.

 

[frontkick1]

I think people are looking too far into it. Either to shit on Francis or to claim he is definitely still the world's best HW.

I don't think there's much to analyse tbh, Ferreira isn't very good. Francis got the job done early, like he was supposed to. Any less would have been an embarrassment.

Nothing much happened on the feet, Francis put Renan on his back where he is basically defenseless and punched him until he went to sleep. That's about it.

There's nobody in the PFL HW division that can really test Ngannou to the point where we can definitively say he's declined. Unless he loses to one of them anyway.

This ferreira "is not very good" makes no sense, let's not pretend the ufc hw division is something else. I'm pretty sure he has his place in the ufc top 10.