People thinking Miocic was bad vs Jones are stupid

[moreorless87]

Miocic was bad vs Jones.

 

[Luffy]

Hindsight is a motherfucker. We all possess that power.

Not to mention most people actually picked Jon to win vs Stipe in the lead up to their fight.

TS wrote this long bullshit thinking he's professor X when in reality he comes off as the generic meathead.

Well, what do you expect? Jon Jones announces someone as his last fight and shows he's confident he'll do it absolutely, so ppl will start questioning any fighter he picks, by the point memes of Stipe being Joe Biden, or 58 yo Tyson who had problems walking to the cage were being used as if they weren't even jokes, but smart satires lmaoo .... "No way we are gonna let JJ of all ppl to go away undefeated, I waited so much for him to be defeated... Gane went from the one who would be a huge test to just a jobber, so we need to make JJ's last fight seem as ugly as possible... otherwise it won't be fair if he we don't see someone else getting their arms raised, that not JJ.... We lived for it!!!" ...

Apparently Stipe got into the mood and posted the apparently only footage ever of his training of his coach saying what punch to use, and him doing that after 5 seconds, then slowly changing positions... People got so much into that. To me that shows Stipe was pretty confident and wanted to see ppl talk whatever after he beat JJ... Maybe JJ got kinda pissed because Stipe made it look worse by trolling in the footage giving the narrative fuel, but Stipe is a fighter, someone who's there to fight... Who works very hard towards it and is gifted with high level fighting skills... It's not his job to make the fight be perceived as it should rightfully be perceived, i.e, the hype... He's likely the known pro fighter that fits the philosophical meaning of both — Martial Artist and Fighter ....

 

[SamuraiBro]

Mate … Stipe was moving like he was underwater and was getting rattled/bothered by any shot that landed on him. You saying he looked good, tells me you’ve probably never watched a Stipe fight pre Covid. It was a shit fight with a cool finish.

 

[Luffy]

Mate … Stipe was moving like he was underwater and was getting rattled/bothered by any shot that landed on him. You saying he looked good, tells me you’ve probably never watched a Stipe fight pre Covid. It was a shit fight with a cool finish.

How do you expect someone to move after getting 50 elbows in the first round, many in a position that wasn't allowed before? The fact he could still be technical enough to make it to JJ with good faints and high precision, after that first round, should be telling enough.

I mean, getting kicked in the gut by another heavyweight, with JJ being a well known kicker as one of his best weapons, with JJ's toe sticking into Miocic's gut... That's natural to get a reaction from... And it's not like the reaction was that of getting wobbly, rather, it was that momentary effect, but staying composed after... Even when JJ got him in a Muay Thai clinch and kneed his ribs, he showed little reaction... Ofc it was a cumulative damage, but... To question his toughness at that fight, after 50 elbows in the first round, and still getting up after the broken ribs and the additional punches... Is just totally absurd...

 

[TJ Dillashank]

You guys didn't watch the fight then. Try watching it in slow motion and you guys will see the level of technique and analysis by JJ and Miocic in their exchanges. You guys confuse a fight that's dynamic, that is, with both fighters varying positions a lot, to one that is mostly technical, and think that if the fighters aren't bouncing around, they are being slow. A fighter will adopt different approaches depending on the fight... Poatan was pretty stiff in terms of movements in his second fight vs Jiri Prochazka... In his fight vs Rountree, however, he looked way faster, way more dynamic... Which is not to say Rountree is better than Jiri Prochakza, only that they had different approaches.

Stipe slowed down after getting 50 elbows (literally) by a HW JJ, many from the vertical position... And even still, he managed to be threatening sometimes, with high accuracy punches while fainting the most important hits.. For example, in one moment, he pressed JJ in the second round, while he had already lost that speed he had initially because of the first round 50 elbows (which, mind you, generally 3, 4 well connected elbows from LHW JJ would wobble his opponents to the point they'd struggle to be in the fight, like Gustaffson... Which just highlights Stipe's huge toughness... Far from someone waiting to get retired) fainting and accuracy made it challenging for JJ, who also adopted his high level defensive skills to avoid most of them... And the ones Stipe landed clean, didn't wobble Jon Jones, which also highlights JJ's chin, who has never wobbled in a fight, as likely the best of all times. If you pause just when Miocic looks slow when rushing JJ in the second round, you'll notice the slower movements are more noticeable from the arms Stipe is fainting the hits with, whereas the arm used to hit JJ is already hitting home, though JJ noticed the faints and blocked the attacks that were tried to be hidden by the faints, most times.

Watching the fight in slow motion should give you guys a notion of the level of the assessments done by both fighters during those exchanges. In one moment for example, Stipe, when rushing, realized JJ would likely move one way and set the heavy hit expecting JJ to move that way... JJ realized that quickly and adjusted his movement not to move where Miocic was making him go... More specifically, Miocic had JJ close to the cage and set up a right hand because moving to the left would be an easier way for JJ to get out of the range, so he expected Jon Jones to go there... Though JJ realized the right hand was being set up and moved to Miocic's right side instead (in he moved to the left, due to lack of space, Miocic would have bigger chances of hitting him with a straight right, while moving to the right would give him the spacing he needed to avoid the, then, right hook)... Jon Jones knew he needed to get away the distance of his arm range not to get hit, so to use the small space of that cage side, he stretched his arms to slightly parry Miocic's right hand and, at the same time, set just where he should step slightly backwards, so he could safely not get hit... Miocic realized that, still, and although JJ's stretched arms bought him a fraction of time, which was enough to barely get out of the way of Miocic's right hand, Miocic still made it closer still because he realized JJ intended to parry him to get enough time, so Stipe slid his right hand just across JJ's stretched arm to make it land as soon as posible... But that still was enough time for JJ to project his body backwards and barely but still, dodge the punch...

Even in the final kick, Jon Jones knew that Miocic protected well enough the most damaging body parts when he had tried the spin back kick two times before, so JJ projected his body as if he'd throw a straight left, which he had done moments before, so Miocic quickly raised his hands... then JJ quickly turned the thrust into a spinning kick to land exactly where he wanted... Miocic realized that as he started to bring his raised arms down, and his right leg up... But JJ landed just before it in the ribs...

It looks slow on the surface, but those are high level set ups from Stipe to disguise the intended shot the most and anticipate the movement, and defensive skills from JJ to quickly know to get just enough out of range... It's's just funny how these MMA fans who call others stupid don't see the irony, as in, they don't take the time to look deeper and just tag along with twitter trends... Ppl that lack the ability to see beyond what it looks like on the surface. That's the difference between MMA entertainment fans that like MMA drama over MMA more serious analysts like Luke Thomas... Though the entertainers nowadays get more engagement because ppl, understandably so, want the lazy but more dopamine quick reward stuff.

Try watching kickboxing and realize how shit it was in reality. Also the fight may as well be in slow motion with how old Stipe is

 

[Nausicaa]

Didn't read but you are not gonna sell us a 40 year old stipe who hasn't fought in 3 years is a top level fight in the hw division

 

[Pizza Werewolf]

Imagine Jones asking Stipe to do that at 205?!?!

Chill sherbro Stipe isn't THAT old.

 

[Luffy]

Try watching kickboxing and realize how shit it was in reality. Also the fight may as well be in slow motion with how old Stipe is

I've watched plenty of kickboxing. Btw, kickboxing # MMA striking. The other variables make it not comparable to watching a raw kickboxing match. The flow is different, so there's no point, either way.

 

[HHJ]

Stipe was obstensibly retired and asked to come back/dragged screaming from his coffin as a sacrificial lamb to Turinabones instead of someone Jones might not be able to beat like Big Tom

 

[bigfootsbreath]

They criticize Jones for moving up in weight and beating old inactive Stipe but give Khabib a pass for being terrified to do the same for old inactive GSP, instead demanding GSP make the cut to 155 for the first time in his life at nearly 40. Imagine Jones asking Stipe to do that at 205?!?!

It's hard to fathom, I don't think any other fighter in the history of MMA would make such a ridiculous demand and ruin the legendary superfight that all the fans wanted to see.

No one is giving khababby a pass you goof. There is some kind of chart out there of UFC chairs and khabibby had like the worst measurables while Jon had the best. Yet Jon only wanted to fight the dude who got d1 by ngannou for fucks sake and a retired fire man.

And Stipe looked like shit and it took Jon 3 rounds to finish him, where Tom would have finished Stipe in the first with ease. Not to mention Stipe was still piecing up Jon. Jon definitely going to duck Tom and request to
fight randleman as his next title defense.

 

[Luffy]

Stipe was obstensibly retired and asked to come back/dragged screaming from his coffin as a sacrificial lamb to Turinabones instead of someone Jones might not be able to beat like Big Tom

Then why would Dana White be so in on the Tom vs JJ fight? If the UFC wanted this way out for JJ, they wouldn't support a JJ vs Tom.

 

[Luffy]

No one is giving khababby a pass you goof. There is some kind of chart out there of UFC chairs and khabibby had like the worst measurables while Jon had the best. Yet Jon only wanted to fight the dude who got d1 by ngannou for fucks sake and a retired fire man.

And Stipe looked like shit and it took Jon 3 rounds to finish him, where Tom would have finished Stipe in the first with ease. Not to mention Stipe was still piecing up Jon. Jon definitely going to duck Tom and request to
fight randleman as his next title defense.

Watch the fight closely. Pay attention, put in slow motion...

 

[burningspear]

 

[IIIIIIII]

it seems talent has stopped coming to mma. the ufc shouldn't have to rely on jon jones into 2025 by this point. they should have already had someone else taking his place. one tom aspinall isn't enough. it could be the current trend within the youth of today to avoid all physical contact sports. less sporting activities and more time in front of the computer making videos for youtube or whatever. people are catching onto the long-term effects of involving yourself in mma.

 

[HHJ]

Then why would Dana White be so in on the Tom vs JJ fight? If the UFC wanted this way out for JJ, they wouldn't support a JJ vs Tom.

Cos they already got their stipe vs jj money, to downplay anything ngannou accomplished.


Now they want that Tom vs jj money.