Economy Newsom may exclude Tesla from tax credits

[Hdfi]

ALL these taxes should be eliminated but not just for Tesla, for BYD and other competitors too.

 

[ShadowRun]

Lol @Sinister trying to respond to my post with "2/3 of states with over $3 trillion GDP", and then quickly deleted his own post because he realized he embarrassed himself and then just reposted with a generic low IQ ad hom.

lol he’s a shit poster no one pays attention

 

[Dalarna3]

What argument are you trying to make? That the founders didn't envision subsidies or preferential support for particular industries or companies?

That the founding spirit of the country was not to have state power (economic or otherwise) be used to coerced or punish citizens for their political views.

 

[MichiganMMA1978]

Get dirty guuurrrrl

How much estrogen must one have flowing through their veins to type something like this...

 

[Yehudim]

I've become more of a free trade guy so I don't really care about preserving manufacturing jobs for the sake of preserving manufacturing jobs. Of course some industries and goods are critical to national security so domestic manufacturing of those makes sense but I don't support propping up the US car industry just for the sake of it. I say let foreign imports flood the market if they're actually better. If they're not then American car manufacturers will be able to find their niche and stay relevant. I would rather the government pay people more in unemployment benefits than prop up jobs that don't need to exist.

I watched a video on Chinese EV’s and one of the suggestions was to allow Chinese companies to sell cars here, but to play by China’s rules. So, they would have to do joint ventures and do technology transfers with American companies, manufacture here, and basically just use them and toss em out.

It’s amazing because it’s so obvious but it is so against the American way that I never considered it, and never heard anybody else consider it. It’s either protectionism or let them dump highly subsidized stuff at the expense of American workers and companies.

Personally I’m not too worried about the arguments against protectionism because we actually have a ton of competition and variety. Tariffs on Chinese EV’s don’t stop me from buying a Honda or Toyota.

 

[Cajun]

This place needs more people like you.

You disagree with me about most things but you do it politely and reasonably, and I enjoy our exchanges.

And let me say, it's always a pleasure to have convos with a guy that keeps it civil, not trolling, no insults... just good back and forth. I appreciate the good discussion with you bud. When its not about winning or losing but just discussing different pov. Thanks for that and enjoy the Sunday.

 

[Loiosh]

Oops.

 

[Yehudim]

Elon Musk is what the right accused Soros of being for years. It’s weird how the tables have turned.

Not really. Rich men have always had a large say in politics, what Soros is accused of and actually did (besides the anti-Semitic conspiracies) is trying to socially engineer societies to his vision of the world through all kinds of NGO’s.

Elon basically got the guy he wanted elected by buying a media outlet, and his goals for social engineering if he had any, was to conserve fundamental American values, not change them. These are different goals and strategies.

Saying that Elon and Soros are the same just means that every rich guy that is politically active is George Soros.

 

[Loiosh]

And let me say, it's always a pleasure to have convos with a guy that keeps it civil, not trolling, no insults... just good back and forth. I appreciate the good discussion with you bud. When its not about winning or losing but just discussing different pov. Thanks for that and enjoy the Sunday.

Some people here bring out the worst in me and I always regret it.

I spent a lot of time in News and Politics on MySpace a very long time ago, and any personal attacks of flaming got you banned on the spot. There are those who would call that censorship, because they don't accept rules.

 

[Loiosh]

what Soros is accused of and actually did (besides the anti-Semitic conspiracies) is trying to socially engineer societies to his vision of the world through all kinds of NGO’s.

People should be worried about how Soros made most of his money. I'm surprised the UK let him live.

 

[Cajun]

Some people here bring out the worst in me and I always regret it.

I spent a lot of time in News and Politics on MySpace a very long time ago, and any personal attacks of flaming got you banned on the spot. There are those who would call that censorship, because they don't accept rules.

I usually try to avoid trolls or guys that just keep responding without just walking away agreeing to disagree. When you've exhausted all your points there's no point in going on and they just keep going.
Irl you can see it when you start discussing something you disagree on with someone else and they just get more and more upset over it until its out of control. It's a real thing that sometimes plays out online as well. Anyway thanks.

 

[Loiosh]

I usually try to avoid trolls or guys that just keep responding without just walking away agreeing to disagree. When you've exhausted all your points there's no point in going on and they just keep going.
Irl you can see it when you start discussing something you disagree on with someone else and they just get more and more upset over it until its out of control. It's a real thing that sometimes plays out online as well. Anyway thanks.

For a lot of people it's all a series of zero sum games, all that matters is winning and the despondency of your opposition.

This isn't a partisan thing, it's everyone. We just had four years of people celebrating the Trump suits and laughing it up, and while I personally hoped for the best in the Georgia case, I never believed someone in power would face actual consequences.

Now we're going to have four years of most of the people on the right celebrating everything Trump does, regardless of the merits.

I don't think I've found a single place where people can use a non-partisan lens, and issues are so charged almost every discussion is vicious.

 

[KaNesDeath]

many things,

Im a stickler for details.

 

[avenue94]

Which is not an independent market in the slightest, accounting for less than 10% of new vehicle sales and faces very serious challenges growing much beyond that as growth has completely stopped.

In response to Tesla's stalled growth, the rest of the auto industry seriously cut EV spending since the threat from Tesla is no longer imminent and they have no interest in forcing EV on their customers that don't want it. The EV market lives or dies on Tesla's success or failure so any investment in EVs future that doesn't include them is asinine.

It's a market, and EVs are about a quarter of California sales. This tax credit would target those companies that have been less eager.

A market that lives or dies on the sucesss of one brand is very dysfunctional and unhealthy. It's also entirel possible that Tesla would qualify for these credits in the next several years.

 

[avenue94]

That the founding spirit of the country was not to have state power (economic or otherwise) be used to coerced or punish citizens for their political views.

How do you explain the Sedition Act of 1798? The founders were every bit as flawed as today's politicians, if not more so.

 

[PEB]

Newsom would be doing everyone a favor.

 

[filthybliss]

Not really. Rich men have always had a large say in politics, what Soros is accused of and actually did (besides the anti-Semitic conspiracies) is trying to socially engineer societies to his vision of the world through all kinds of NGO’s.

Elon basically got the guy he wanted elected by buying a media outlet, and his goals for social engineering if he had any, was to conserve fundamental American values, not change them.

Elon wanted to "conserve fundamental American values" as a South African by simping for a candidate that wanted and even has usurped constitutional values more so than any candidate before him.

It is pretty cut and dry, Elon just wants his tax cuts and to reman in the public spotlight as a diva. He has talked about his daddy issues before so I suspect that all of his shenanigans are some sort of coping mechanism.

 

[Jack V Savage]

How do you explain the Sedition Act of 1798? The founders were every bit as flawed as today's politicians, if not more so.

We've actually expanded our idea of freedom of speech a lot since the founding time. It was conceived primarily as relating to political speech, especially criticizing the gov't, while we now allow it to include stuff like obscenity (not that it was banned but it just wasn't an issue, and when it was later banned, there wasn't much to guide judgments) and private companies' tolerance for online harassment of customers/users.

Elon wanted to "conserve fundamental American values" as a South African by simping for a candidate that wanted and even has usurped constitutional values more so than any candidate before him.

Elon just wants his tax cuts and to reman in the public spotlight as a diva. He has talked about his daddy issues before so I suspect that all of his shenanigans are some sort of coping mechanism.

Yeah, America was explicitly founded on the kind of thinking that Soros promotes. Musk's views are more aligned with America's enemies in the Civil War and WWII.

 

[Yehudim]

Elon wanted to "conserve fundamental American values" as a South African by simping for a candidate that wanted and even has usurped constitutional values more so than any candidate before him.

It is pretty cut and dry, Elon just wants his tax cuts and to reman in the public spotlight as a diva. He has talked about his daddy issues before so I suspect that all of his shenanigans are some sort of coping mechanism.

In other words, he’s nothing like George Soros. The point of my post isn’t that he’s a good guy, just that it’s a bad comparison.

 

[deviake]

Daily reminder that there is no such thing as a "free market"